So... you dont care about arguments
I don't care what your argument is and I don't care what the precise aim assist exactly is. No matter how strong or weak aim assist is, I only care that I never get matched with kbm players in ranked or social. I deserve the right to play in clean lobbies. If people choose to partake in cross lobbies then by all means let them and let them join other cross lobbies in every playlist, (or maybe just social), but leave every playlist, be it ranked or social, as single input lobbies. I do not want to put up with kbm in social.
Dude, why is everybody so absolute?
My problem is that since I get back to Halo on PC I always get destroyed... if they dont scale down the assist they could kill the competitiviness of the game and the PC community very quick.How about we just block cross input support? That sounds far better, because every death to a kbm player is bs anyway.
For Ranked playlist, yes they should probably lock them.
For social they should turn it down the help. When you are using a controller in Multiplayer is like the game is doing everything for you (very little must be done to keep the player in sight). You can have Help to assist the control users without doing everything for them. To the experiment: play a couple of matches with MnK and then use the controller. I even manage to "look on" players I didnt see, and head shots are a lot of more easy.
I will said it again: my point is not to eliminate the assist on control players (it would leave them in the same spot that MnK players are right now) just change it to a more middle ground.
Frankly this whole thing about wanting ranked locked and social cross play sounds like someone getting spanked by good controller players but wants to spank lesser controller players who aren't taking it as seriously as ranked.
I love arguing. You can ask some people on this board. You can ask my hate-stalker on Reddit (how they haven't been banned for following me from sub to sub I don't know, although there was a week long break, so maybe they did get suspended). This however, is not something worth considering.
Your solution is to force people in social to play with kbm with lower aim assist. That is incredibly selfish. My initial response was a pithy remark from an equally selfish position, just the opposite side. I paralleled your selfishness and you reacted negatively towards it, just as controller players should towards your manifesto. That was the point of that post and that was lost on you.
There are irrefutable inherited advantages and disadvantages to mouse and the same goes for controllers. Depending on who you are playing, you have to adjust to their strengths or weaknesses based on input rather than skill. They have strengths and weaknesses you and I can't replicate purely because of input device. Therefore, it will never be purely skill dependent. And while you complain controller players have an unfair advantage, controller players will argue you have an unfair advantage because you can do things much easier than they can. Therefore, the only way to keep everyone happy is separate lobbies but give the option to join mixed lobbies if you choose to opt into it.
[not arguing](this will take you far in life btw)
Arguing with everyone does not actually get you very far. This is false. Trust me on this one.
and you want less features in a future game.
No, YOU want less features. I want a lobby for controllers, a lobby for kbm, and a lobby for mixed. That's three social features. That's more than what you're offering, which is one single feature.
first of all no, you dont have a right... it is a video game and people are using the definitions of "rights" to the point it no longer makes sense.
If this is how you're going to start your argument about how the game developer has the right then you already lost. You don't have the right to say they need to tone down aim assist anymore than I have the right to say keep all lobbies separate unless people opt into mixed lobbies. Wherever your backseat game design comes from, my argument holds the same exact "rights." So no, if I don't have the right, you don't have the right, which makes your point null. We're all going by the same premise that the developer has final say but shouled listen to us the player. You hold zero special status in that regard.
You have the right to be what you want to be, to have education, food, (This is no the point of this post, so leave it here).
No, you're lying, so I'm not going to let you create a false premise. You don't have the right to any of those things except gradeschool education provided you're a citizen of upstanding status (that is to say, didn't get kicked out). You have the freedom to pursue those as you see fit, but you are NOT entitled to them.
Your entire logic is debunked.
This is a video game, you should definetly have the OPTION/FEATURE to play only with controllers or with MnK
Right, should you choose, and should you not choose, you should be able to play to play with people of the same input as you. That's why separate lobbies but mixed if you want to join mixed lobbies.
, doenst matther if you are a social player that wants to play Halo with his computer user friend or brother or like you, people that fear MnK so much that want to take a feature out a game.
I don't care what other people/s arguments might be. It's an irrelevent sb story to gather sympathy from me. It doesn't work. My position is clear. KBM plays with KBM and Controller plays with controller and should they choose to go into a mixed lobby then they can go into a mixed lobby with others who choose to join a mixed lobby. At no point should anyone's time be spoiled by playing against physical input devices they don't want to.
At the end is really simple math:
Like many others, if I am forced to play against kbm, I will not be playing the game. There is your simple math. You force controller and mouse together = controller gone.
The problem is that right now, if you dont use a Controller, you are out.
Then you should play with mouse players. And maybe they should tone down aim assist. Doesn't matter. Either way, no one should be automatically opted into playing with players of the opposite input device.
You don't have the right to force people to play games they don't want to play just to appease you. That statement is true whether it's Too Human coop or a cross input Halo lobby. People should be able to choose to opt into mixed lobbies and not have mixed lobbies if they don't opt into them. Period.