Chris Lee has left 343 industries

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As someone who works in software development who has also had to move to remote work, I'd like to respectfully say you're full of poop (use the adult word).

Literally any team mate I've ever worked with who has elementary aged kids has has their productivity go through the floor, because they're constantly having to context switch between work and keeping their kid on track.

People who's home internet connections aren't good enough to support their VPN and general work constantly drop out of meetings, have issues connecting to servers, and have issues exchanging large files.

People who are used to 3 computer monitors and a full corporate desk setup are now down to their laptop screen and sometimes even just a touch pad for the mouse.

If you're sitting there thinking that the complete lack of US federal response to the pandemic hasn't drastically impacted the productivity of US based companies (Xbox), you're foolish, naive, and have no idea how the labor force has been impacted by the pandemic.

Get off your high horse

As someone who also works in software development, I'd like to respectfully say you're deflecting.

Our group was back on track with the normal work routine after roughly a week or two into the first lockdown, one month at the absolute latest.

If you're an IT company and your infrastructure is so bad that it cannot provide acceptable remote access (which it already should have without the pandemic) then that's your own fault, not the government's.
Especially when your name is "Microsoft", probably the IT company out of all of them. If that really were 343's excuse (I don't think they ever said it themselves?), it would be a pretty laughable one.

Who's next to leave? Will we have an official announcement about this? The leader of 343i needs to give answers to the fans, this topic shouldn't be forgotten..

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WhoLikesChicken wrote:

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As someone who works in software development who has also had to move to remote work, I'd like to respectfully say you're full of poop (use the adult word).

Literally any team mate I've ever worked with who has elementary aged kids has has their productivity go through the floor, because they're constantly having to context switch between work and keeping their kid on track.

People who's home internet connections aren't good enough to support their VPN and general work constantly drop out of meetings, have issues connecting to servers, and have issues exchanging large files.

People who are used to 3 computer monitors and a full corporate desk setup are now down to their laptop screen and sometimes even just a touch pad for the mouse.

If you're sitting there thinking that the complete lack of US federal response to the pandemic hasn't drastically impacted the productivity of US based companies (Xbox), you're foolish, naive, and have no idea how the labor force has been impacted by the pandemic.

Get off your high horse

As someone who also works in software development, I'd like to respectfully say you're deflecting.

Our group was back on track with the normal work routine after roughly a week or two into the first lockdown, one month at the absolute latest.

If you're an IT company and your infrastructure is so bad that it cannot provide acceptable remote access (which it already should have without the pandemic) then that's your own fault, not the government's.
Especially when your name is "Microsoft", probably the IT company out of all of them. If that really were 343's excuse (I don't think they ever said it themselves?), it would be a pretty laughable one.

But the issue isn't Microsoft or 343's infrastructure. It's individual employees infrastructure that's causing the issues. That's the entire point to my post, and I honestly don't know what you're trying to argue here, because nothing you posted actually refutes any points I brought up :/

I.E. the forced homeschooling during working hours, lack of equipment, and lack of sufficient bandwidth.

And yea, my team overall was mostly back to the full swing if things in our remote setups within ~1 month too. Except for my team mates with younger kids. The remote school situation just makes it so hard for them to work efficiently.

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WhoLikesChicken wrote:

Celestis wrote:

WhoLikesChicken wrote:

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As someone who works in software development who has also had to move to remote work, I'd like to respectfully say you're full of poop (use the adult word).

Literally any team mate I've ever worked with who has elementary aged kids has has their productivity go through the floor, because they're constantly having to context switch between work and keeping their kid on track.

People who's home internet connections aren't good enough to support their VPN and general work constantly drop out of meetings, have issues connecting to servers, and have issues exchanging large files.

People who are used to 3 computer monitors and a full corporate desk setup are now down to their laptop screen and sometimes even just a touch pad for the mouse.

If you're sitting there thinking that the complete lack of US federal response to the pandemic hasn't drastically impacted the productivity of US based companies (Xbox), you're foolish, naive, and have no idea how the labor force has been impacted by the pandemic.

Get off your high horse

As someone who also works in software development, I'd like to respectfully say you're deflecting.

Our group was back on track with the normal work routine after roughly a week or two into the first lockdown, one month at the absolute latest.

If you're an IT company and your infrastructure is so bad that it cannot provide acceptable remote access (which it already should have without the pandemic) then that's your own fault, not the government's.
Especially when your name is "Microsoft", probably the IT company out of all of them. If that really were 343's excuse (I don't think they ever said it themselves?), it would be a pretty laughable one.

But the issue isn't Microsoft or 343's infrastructure. It's individual employees infrastructure that's causing the issues. That's the entire point to my post, and I honestly don't know what you're trying to argue here, because nothing you posted actually refutes any points I brought up :/

I.E. the forced homeschooling during working hours, lack of equipment, and lack of sufficient bandwidth.

And yea, my team overall was mostly back to the full swing if things in our remote setups within ~1 month too. Except for my team mates with younger kids. The remote school situation just makes it so hard for them to work efficiently.

Stating the fact (supported by vastly more measurable metrics, experienced scientists and officials, government bodies, and independent philanthropists) that the US government responded to the pandemic ineffectively is not a political statement. It is a factual statement, supported by measurable and recordable evidence. Discussing real-life-actual-facts is not political.

I'm not trying to talk politics, but I would like to talk facts. You did not refute any points about the difficulty of remote work and it's effect on employee productivity, which is the point of my post.

Vohark wrote:

The article mentions that Chris Lee was sidelined in favor of Joe Staten for a while now, so I wouldn't really read too much into his departure.

I think inevitably he left on his own will and media is making a big case out of it.

It's almost like Halo: Infinite is following the same pattern as Anthem did.

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WhoLikesChicken wrote:

SafetyM33ting wrote:

My memory might be off, but didn't rockstar games purchase 343s outsource dev team?

I’m pretty sure you’re thinking of the crackdown 2(?) developers

to the OPs topic, Chris Lee wasn’t necessarily my favorite person ever and fans are trying to scape goat people but honestly the work for infinite is done. All the content is there. Lee was probably asked to resign and Joseph is just there to see infinite thru to launch and hopefully lead the next halo game.
(crazy to think this game should’ve launched in 10 days from now and the content is just now all there)

I full heartedly believe 343i is capable and they have major talent but lack clear direction and strong leadership. I hope the shakeup at 343i sends them in the right direction for the future of the franchise and they ditch the 10 year plan. I believe with a new vision from Staten 343i is going to be on the right track after this rough launch.
—— Also I don’t know why people are coming for Bonnie Ross. Her work for the halo franchise is admirable and with Staten they could really do something special for Halo

Real random, but did Bonnie leave 343i? During Halo Infinite's announcement their was an unfamiliar face with the same position as Bonnie. I thought that she may have resign or found a higher opportunity up the ladder. I do think she deserves more credit than gamers give her.

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FriendlyStu16 wrote:

PlayedGameFreak wrote:

It's almost like Halo: Infinite is following the same pattern as Anthem did.

not even close we don't have the major insight on halo infinite compared to the way Anthem went completely belly up

For real, Anthem was so bad. It is impossible for 343 to do that bad with the awesome talent they have now.

The problem with Anthem wasn't that Bioware was filled with talentless hacks, it was the atrocious management and dealing with an engine that was ill-suited for what they wanted to accomplish(when they could even decide what they wanted to accomplish).

Mismanagement and engine troubles don't seem that different from 343's situation to be perfectly honest. Does that necessarily mean that Infinite was mishandled quite as badly as Anthem was? No, but I don't think their respective situation are all that dissimilar. You can throw as many incredibly talented artists, engineers, and designers at a project as you want, but if management can't keep the ship sailing smoothly things are going to get out of hand.

Covid or no Covid people are right to be concerned with what was shown in July after 5 years of development. It would have been one thing if they had announced a delay ahead of the July event and everyone went into to it with tempered expectations, but up until the moment they actually delayed the game that clip was supposed to be more or less representative of what the game was supposed to be come November. Something clearly wasn't going right before covid and the situation hasn't really improved and high level departures like this when so much is still up in the air does not inspire confidence.

WhoLikesChicken wrote:

But the issue isn't Microsoft or 343's infrastructure. It's individual employees infrastructure that's causing the issues. That's the entire point to my post, and I honestly don't know what you're trying to argue here, because nothing you posted actually refutes any points I brought up :/

I.E. the forced homeschooling during working hours, lack of equipment, and lack of sufficient bandwidth.

Fair enough.
Still, how is it the governments fault that they chose to work on a "laptop screen and sometimes even just a touch pad for the mouse" instead of "3 computer monitors and a full corporate desk setup"?
Or that their home internet connection cannot "support their VPN and general work constantly drop out of meetings, have issues connecting to servers, and have issues exchanging large files"?

The scenarios you're describing here sound very fishy at best.
Why are people exchanging large files from home in the first place? The go-to solution is to connect to the office computer/server remotely and do your work that way. As such, you have the same infrastructure at your disposal as you would have had in the office. No loss in data transfer. Bring your monitors home along with your mouse and keyboard and your setup is identical. As for the dropouts, remote connection literally requires less bandwith than a YouTube video.
It's almost as if they wanted to not get work done by using a suboptimal approach.

The only point that seems halfway plausible - and incidentally is also the only one that can be blamed on anybody else than the person themselves - is the forced home schooling.

However, the point still stands that Halo Infinite's shortcomings are too numerous to be blamed on Covid one way or another. Software development / IT is the one sector that is least affected by the pandemic, because it is not tied to people being in any particular location they way that manufacturing or services are.
If you told me that the SeXbox were delayed because of Covid, I'd have bought that. However, I'm not buying into Infinite being delayed because of it, especially since the console itself managed to keep its schedule.