Multiplayer - Fortnite/CoD Warzone model?

hell no but tbh i joked about it before Xbox Stream with friends because they have already the OW and could be inspired again from COD Warzone and now after the stream im rly worried they consider this....

Ken2379 wrote:

They have one massive online gametype that is free for all. It helps boost population of a game and it's longevity. It also gets people interested in the game that wasn't previously which leads to full purchase of the game (or game pass in this example) to play other multiplayer modes meaning a greater population boost to what would have existed under normal circumstances.

Some people hate cosmetic microtrasactions, I understand. Personally I see huge benefits from them. I don't buy them, but loads of people do which means the developers get a continuous money source and they provide regular and free updates towards the game. You don't have to buy them, but we get to reap the benefits that they bring with them. Free content and additional game support. Special animations for assassinations, different helmets, characters from previous games, weapons skins, bunch of potential.

Imagine getting a bunch of well made, free multiplayer maps every two months. You could have some cosmetic items inside a season pass. I've bought them on games like Rocket League and Fortnite and you don't need to purchase them again, as you earn enough credits to get the next one with a little left over every season to use how you want. It's a proven model to increase online support and playerbase. Not a bad deal for $10 considering a lot of us used to spend that on 3 dlc maps that were mostly restricted to a single playlist as many others didn't own them...

Not to sound elitist on 343's behalf, but this game is the console's most valuable AAA franchise. They are better than just giving the game away for free to get people in the door in hopes of realizing monetization on what otherwise wouldn't be a player.

Also, Microsoft has already decided going down a different pathway to dangle the "free" to play carrot in front of players by heavily marketing Game Pass (GPU or whatever they call it now). Side note: I didn't pay for Gears 5 and don't plan on paying for Infinite (unless they release a stellar limited edition physical version). I took advantage of that GPU promotion around the holidays last year where you could upgrade to GPU for like $1. It automatically applies that upgrade to the remainder of your Xbox Live gold paid period. So before doing the GPU upgrade, I maxed out my XBL subscription (good deals on this at Costco) so I essentially got GPU for 3 years for $1 (and also got a discount on XBL gold by buying through Costco). Offering FTP version of Halo would detract from the value proposition of Game Pass. Given Xbox is a subsidiary of Microsoft, who is a financially savvy public company, they are obviously pushing hard on its subscriber ecosystem so it can highlight a growing subscription model (look at what they are doing with consoles now as well; hardware subscription models).

On adoption, I think your logic suggests very wishful thinking. How many Fortnite FTP players end up buying the campaign (Save the World)? Understand it's not a perfect comparison (Halo games are known for their campaign; Fortnite is not) but I think it's a fair question. CoD Warzone would be a better comparison, and I bet they're not seeing a huge pickup on the fully paid version of the game. People flock towards the FTP Warzone mode because its FTP. It's extremely hard to convert them over to the full paid game unless there is something truly compelling there. Creates a viscous cycle, players want to be where the most action is, if most of the population is in FTP warzone, people won't buy/adopt because not as many are there, etc.

If I had to put my money on the table to bet, I am guessing Infinite takes a lot of cues from Gears 5 on how it approaches seasons, unlockables, and optional MTX. Unlike Gears I am sure there will be an entirely separate set of unlockables that come from completing achievements or longer-term tasks that maybe span beyond a single season.

Have any of you actually played Warzone?

I have never been a Call of Duty player, but it’s an absolutely tremendous online game. The perfect mix of competitive and casual, and it takes a lot of skill to be decent.

I’ve sat in bed many of times thinking about a similar game with Halos sandbox. The possibilities are absolutely endless.

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Happifayce5242 wrote:

Ken2379 wrote:

This zoomer pandering is whats killing Halo's core fanbase

How so?

xsv wrote:

So basically adopt the models from other franchises?? You mean exactly what they were doing since Halo 4? i personally dont care either way, its not Halo anymore

Halo has yet to adopt this particular model. They essentially have a free "battle pass" for MCC so it's clear they are testing the waters.

But yeah why not take things from other franchises if it's a highly popular, densely proven model? There is no suggestion this model will fail any time soon either so it's worth riding the wave.

Halo is a story, not a game. They could tell it many ways and I hunk it's time they mixed up the formula. Going open world is a good start.

Why do you want Halo to follow these trends? Let me be real clear here, the reason no one plays Halo anymore is precisely those reason you want, they followed trends and it failed. Why doesn't anyone want a Halo that bucks these trends and makes it's own path? Halo used to set trends not follow them.

Do you think anybody would care about recon or hayabusa if you could just buy it?

evilbojangals59 wrote:

Do you think anybody would care about recon or hayabusa if you could just buy it?

The model doesn't mean you can buy everything.

You have stuff unlockable for owners of the full game. Armour/titles unlocked for challenges etc etc. This cannot be brought.

You have stuff unlockable for players of the free portion of the multiplayer. Armour/titles unlocked for completing challenges etc etc. This also cannot be brought.

Then you have titles/armour/assassinations that can only be brought.

TONEfromTIPTON wrote:

Ken2379 wrote:

TONEfromTIPTON wrote:

Incorrect. Halo 2 and 3 had free maps, back when Halo was a leader not some trend follower.

Unless you're talking about Cold Storage, every other Halo 3 map pack had to be paid for. They didn't become free until a long time after release.

Having paid map or gameplay affecting dlc for multiplayer is a horrific idea outside of fighting games (don't agree with that either) but at least the model works.

Few games seem to have a thriving community after 12 months from release so it's important to culture this with continued support. This is pointless for a company however if there is no revenue attached.