Does this imply that my views are not sincere? The replies that I make take quite a bit of time as well, tsassi, and just because your reply is sincere to your perspective doesn't mean that I'm going to agree with it.tsassi wrote:Thank you for taking my sincere attempt to explain our perspective, and stomping it to the ground. You've demonstrated in a beautiful way why nothing good ever comes out of this debate.
No, at this point it wouldn't be easy at all. The Spartans are canonically founded, right from the very beginning in fact, as being very agile and capable of great speeds due not only to the mechanical augmentation of their MJOLNIR armor, but also their biological augmentations. The modern representation is living up to what Spartans should be more than the "Classic Games" did. To "explain sprint away" would involve completely re-writing what the Spartans are.Quote:No, it really isn't. It would take only a couple of sentences for 343i to explain sprint away. You see, the lore isn't bound by the real world. It's bound by what a writer can convince people to believe about the real world, which is quite a lot.
I think you misunderstand when I say that the lore is bound by the real world. In regards to sprinting, it's established canon that Spartans can do it. It is also established canon that Kelly-087 sets the record at speeds in excess of 40 mph. What is not established, and would not be able to be written in no matter what a writer puts, are Spartans running at speeds of 100-150 mph. Normal, unaugmented Marines using MJOLNIR armor. They can't do this because Halo is bound to a sense of realism that is founded on real-world physics. Science that follows logically based on what we know now, and that follows a logical progression. Hell, even the Flood is based on a real world fungus. The writers can't just put anything in.
That's a very bold sentiment coming from the person that put forward Zero Compromise. Tell me tsassi, when I go into this knowing that there's going to be no compromise, why should I bother to try and understand? Don't feed me the line of "this is why there's no compromise," because before you brought up that there was no intention to compromise from your end, I was trying. For damn near half a year before the arguments got circular. How much understanding has been taken from your side - honestly taken? Because all I remember is more "options" thrown out without really listening at all. Even the laughable suggestions to "just crouch" when we want to move slowly, or even more recently putting a dedicated "walk button" that just transfers the function of Sprint.Quote:Usually people would make some half-baked attempt to pretend that they took some time to consider and understand the point I was trying to make. But you have the integrity and honesty to show that you just don't care what my point was.
For as much as you snarkily accuse me here, your side doesn't care what our point is either. This was made quite clear when you said "Zero Compromise".
I think you're being intentionally biased here. Prior to you providing the raw data, running measured distances and verifying them multiple times took a lot of effort. Not to mention finding canonical sources for arguments, specific instances in both Campaign and Multiplayer that support situational arguments. I think you're being incredibly unfair and accusatory with this veiled jab, and it really paints the tone of this entire 151 page "discussion."tsassi wrote:I genuinely appreciate you actually doing the work of running maps to produce data for your argument. Putting in the effort instead of blindly insisting on something means so much to me, and is already much more than anyone else has ever done to me regarding this argument.
Let me clarify for you: A core mechanic in that it is integral to how a Spartan can cover ground in Halo (circa 2010,) treated as "extra" or a "boost" in that you don't need to travel 23 mph all the time. In the same regard, crouching is a core mechanic; it's been in every single Halo game. It's an extra mechanic to movement as you don't always need to crouch.Vegeto30294 wrote:Excuse me, "extra" mechanic? You mean core mechanic, right? Because that's what you said.
Compare this to, as I said and which you even quote, ancillary abilities like Spartan Charge and sliding. It's really not that hard to understand what I was saying, Vegeto.