Again, like my initial response in the quotes, not per se disagreeing.
i really dont understand why everyone loves the old mechanics... games need to freaking evolve...What is "evolve" in this case? Going back to old mechanics doesn't sound like a problem, otherwise you'd have a problem with Halo 5 returning to equal starts.
Can I say that every Halo after 3 was devolving because Chief can't dual wield anymore? I mean, that's something a "normal human" can do.
But what do numbering games have to do with that? What do the characters or even plots of those games have to do with that? Isn't that up to the devs regarding their creative -and thus functional- vision?
I wholeheartedly agree regarding more involved DLC though. But I must think of the devs at work doing this and wonder if that would detract from their next full title in either quality, content, or production time.
Making the point about playlist separation (for me) always takes this discussion to a different place than what seems to be the average. The average seems to argue for or against it for this or that reason. (I see every for and against reason as valid - despite what the to and froing says - Because for that person it is valid and they are just as much a fan or consumer as anyone else, gosh the community needs to learn to respect one another more)
But I always wonder then, is this kind of discussion ever about the movement in the campaign gameplay or just multiplayer? I play multiplayer, but when I call myself a Halo fan I think of the campaign's story and the characters connected to it within the gameplay.
Isn't saying "I DO think they should listen to the fans if there's enough of them wanting something and plan a game for them accordingly." picking a side of the debate (presumably the side you agree with) and inferring something along the lines of, "because it's my side it's the majority/right side." That's more or less saying exactly (or attempting to) that the fans - but specific ones - should control 343i's creative direction.
Or at the very least, that's how that reads and translates. As far as I can see anyway, if I've misinterpreted you then my apologies. That's certainly not my intent.
The amount of Halo consumers on the forums at any time of any of their games release must represent only a small sliver of the entire consumer base. Of course, I don't have analytics of this, but this is judging by the smorgasbord of what I see active on the forums.
Just judging by that I'll roughly split the community online into three percentage based groups on this topic. 10% are relatively indifferent to this topic. 45% give-or-take are against modern movements and 45% give-or-take some are for it.
I can't help but wonder what percentage of the overall consumers' everyone on these forums makes up?
I'm not saying that disallows us a voice in potentially directing creative or practical input for Halo to any extent, but it should humble us as fans.
Numbered games having nothing to do with it necessarily, it's just beforehand for spinoffs you'd have to do something like "Halo Wars" or "Halo Reach" but now that they're gone you can essentially do whatever. And yes, you're right it's up 343i to do these things artistically, and at this point I WON'T mind if they make a classic game that's not about Chief, it's just something I and a lot of fans would prefer, but obviously at the end of the day I do agree 343i should decide where they go with the story. As long as said story is actually GOOD unlike Halo 5's. If Infinite returns to Halo 4's style of writing OR 3's, I'll be pleased. But what I'd prefer is actually Halo 4's, since that story was just SO GOOD compared to the other ones (note by story I don't mean campaign, the campaign was only slightly better than Halo 5's I think, I mean the written story alone).
A way they could keep up good DLC for Halo 5 is to perhaps have the team working on MCC do it when they're done (and hopefully after Reach and a PC port come).
YES the community needs more respect. I think we've gotten better but we're still not the best when it comes human decency. The reason why I don't want playlist separation is because I and other classic fans don't JUST want a FEW multiplayer playlists... we want a LOT of classic playlists with as much quality as Halo 3's, and a full classic-style campaign.
Yes, the characters connecte with the gameplay in Halo 5, but that's because 343i first and foremost designed the campaign with enhanced mobility THEN added in lore to support it. I actually LIKE their overly complicated explanations for EVERYTHING, but not when it prevents me from playing a new classic style Halo. But yes, although less, there have been discussions about the campagin in Halo 5 and most people (even modern fans) agree the Prometheans are too hard with their warping and long-rangedness and homing-in pojectiles and are such to compensate for your newly found speed.
Doing what your fans want every once in a while isn't letting them control you. I'd always rather a company do what their fans want than not. Classic fans (who you're right, I am one, although I simultaneously love the modern gameplay I just don't want to see the classic style die out) just want ONE thing. A classic style game every once in a while. There's no complaints about the story (moving forward from Halo 5), none NOW about the artstyle (which is an exmaple of us "controlling" 343i but they still were the ones who made that decision to go back to the old artstyle in Halo Wars 2), and not even for the most part anything about the modern gameplay so long as there's classic gameplay. And you know what? I think the classic halo formula ISN'T something 343i should have that much control over. It's technically not JUST their series, it's their INHERITED series. They SHOULD live up to what the classic games started (not Reach, which was a spinoff), because that was where all these classic fans are coming from. The series that they loved was torn apart formula and artstyle-wise by 343i after Halo 4, and whilst the artstyle's back in shape, the formula's still not what millions of people loved a decade ago.
As for misinterpretation, you're good.
Yes, that's true, so I think someone should make a GAMING wide social media poll asking if people who've played it before would like Halo to return to its roots.
10-45-45% sounds about right.
We probably make up about 30% of the current fanbase, but that's just a guess. Nonetheless, ever since the mess with Destiny 2 (I'm a Destiny player, too, but NO I am NOT a Bungo fanboy I DO believe 343i can make a great game, as shown with Halo Wars 2) last year, I've wanted to KEEP fanbases from being humbled. Otherwise, things like that as well as the SW Battlefront II controversy or the CoD BO4 controversy would just go by untouched, and I most definitely DON'T want that to happen.