You say you don't mindlessly hate but your initial post sings a different tune. If I'm generalizing the fanbase, then what are you doing by stating "The gameplay demo is revealed in the Xbox Showcase and, big surprise, people don't like it." Who are the people you're talking about? I know it's not me, because I thought the gameplay demo was fine. And see, the reason I accuse you of mindless criticism is because you don't even try to entertain any scenarios in which these worries may be a big fat nothing. We know the demo was an old build. I mean, 343i had been working through a pandemic to get us a demo. The coatings could very well be a big fat nothing burger. But you don't want them to be nothing burgers, you want them to be something worth outraging over, so you don't give it any modicum of two-sided comparison or analysis. Only the bad is worth talking about, even when that's not really all there is. We know that the bad isn't all that exists, because people like me exist that can easily take the words and make something good out of it like I've already done. You say "confused, frustrated majority" and I'm not sure you're framing that right either. From what I understand, most people that have refrained from being vocal do so because they aren't actually confused or frustrated at all. They're simply content with what's been seen so far because they aren't particularly interested in extrapolating anything farther than what's been shown. That's where I'm at. Every casual gamer I played with in the weeks following the demo footage shared the same sentiment, which is why I say that at all.ran and shai wrote:Contrary to what you think, I don't mindlessly hate everything 343i has created. I legitimately loved Halo 4's story (even if the MP disappointed) and was excited to see what they'll do in the followup after receiving feedback. I kind of liked Halo 5's multiplayer as well, but that game launched without basic modes (Oddball, Forge, BTB, etc) and the maps all felt and looked the same, barring Warzone. Eventually, about a year later, it payed off with a series of updates and I genuinely believe that the game would have sustained a large population if it launched that way. It was really good by the end, especially because of Forge.Punch Wasps wrote:ran and shai wrote:Punch Wasps wrote:
That being said, I'm not wearing rose-tinted goggles here. There are many problems with 343i's take on Halo. I'm not just talking about the transition from all-in-60$ to predatory REQ packs and microtransactions. Mainly what disappoints me about 343i is their communication with the community (or the lack thereof) as well as their failed promises which feel, in hindsight, like lies.
Is the community partly to blame for 343i's silence? Probably, but 343i need to learn to accept it the way it is. The silence and ambiguity surrounding Infinite is frustrating to much more than just the toxic circles in the fandom, and it's also very worrying. There were rumors the game has been in development hell, and a disappointing demo followed by silence after five years of development really seem to confirm that.
Another thing: I believe you generalize this fandom. There are vocal minorities who are toxic and will hate any new thing introduced to the game, there is a slightly bigger minoritiy of people who are still disappointed about Sprint and Clamber and the like, and then there is the rest of the Halo fandom. Some of them like sprint and some of them don't. Some of them like Spartan Abilities and some of them don't. Some of them like Warzone and some of them don't. A lot of them still believe in 343i, and a lot of them don't.
This is the group in the community that 343i should focus on, because the minorities mentioned will never be satisfied with 343i's vision for the game. It's also the biggest group, by far. Is it sensible to react to the toxicity of the vocal minority by completely cutting off the entire community? In my opinion, no.
Once again: we don't need to see hours of new gameplay footage. What we need, if 343i wants to get us behind them again, is clarity on the most basic things. 343i dropped a news bomb with the MP being Free to Play (only after it got leaked on an online store, mind you) and haven't since addressed what this actually means. That didn't stop them from opening preorders for a 60$ package, the contents of which are unclear. People who are paying now literally don't know what they're paying for.
Besides that, we received mixed messages regarding the format of the campaign (and the story, but that's fine I guess if they're trying to avoid spoilers). It feels like they chose every word carefully to ensure we're left out of the loop. If the July demo was amazing, I guess that'd be enough, but sadly the consensus is that it was just okay (or worse).
I think 343i should ignore the loud minority and focus on the confused, frustrated majority that they can still win back. For me, the coatings aren't really that much of a big deal, I mainly dislike how 343i went about revealing this. It can be done differently and better, I believe that 100%. So why shouldn't it?
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