I hope you're right. I really want 343 Industries to give us an awesome Halo Infinite.BeastSprayz wrote:Well I think the reason 343 put MCC on PC is to build up the hype and give Halo back that magic touch. Everyone is skeptical, with good reason, but I do have faith that 343 CAN deliver, it’s just a case of if they will.
343 have so far made two halo games that the majority of the fan base have hated. (I enjoyed h4 campain) and also bungie didn't give up on anybody they told all they wanted to within the universe they created. I hope infinite does bring back the magic but i'll reserve my judgement until i see actual gameplay.Darth Reorb wrote:Yes it will.
343 are not amateurs anymore. They have made two Halo games which I LOVED. They know what they need to do to make a better game from the fans and they know their fans will support them.
343 IS the future of Halo.
Bungie gave up on us, let us all support 343 in the utmost.
I don't know about "majority" really. Halo 4's multiplayer certainly leaned more on the negative sure, but Halo 5 felt more like a Mixed-to-Positive bag and less of a 'majority negative'. There's also Halo Wars 2 which they had at least a hand in, even if Certain Affinity probably did most of it. (And yeah, I loved the H4 campaign too!)As for will it bring the 'magic' back? Hmm, hard to tell really. My best bet is that it'll draw in a lot of returning people and make them happy to varying extents, but not EVERYONE. There'll be someone who'll call it 343's "Third Strike" regardless of how well Infinite's received overall.jay3008 wrote:343 have so far made two halo games that the majority of the fan base have hated. (I enjoyed h4 campain) and also bungie didn't give up on anybody they told all they wanted to within the universe they created. I hope infinite does bring back the magic but i'll reserve my judgement until i see actual gameplay.Darth Reorb wrote:Yes it will.
343 are not amateurs anymore. They have made two Halo games which I LOVED. They know what they need to do to make a better game from the fans and they know their fans will support them.
343 IS the future of Halo.
Bungie gave up on us, let us all support 343 in the utmost.
I would definitely say it was closer to the majority then not. Just look at the Halo 4 population alone. It fell like a stone very quickly. I do agree hate might be a bit strong, but overall Halo 4 was not liked. Everything from the art direction, to AAs being brought back and expand, lack of even starts, loadouts being brought in, kilkcams and kill streaks being put in, no one really liked the Prometheans, massive lack of features, terrible UI, the music, weapon balancing and sounds (remember the BR when it first came out LOL) amongst just a few things.Sylxeria wrote:I don't know about "majority" really. Halo 4's multiplayer certainly leaned more on the negative sure, but Halo 5 felt more like a Mixed-to-Positive bag and less of a 'majority negative'. There's also Halo Wars 2 which they had at least a hand in, even if Certain Affinity probably did most of it. (And yeah, I loved the H4 campaign too!)As for will it bring the 'magic' back? Hmm, hard to tell really. My best bet is that it'll draw in a lot of returning people and make them happy to varying extents, but not EVERYONE. There'll be someone who'll call it 343's "Third Strike" regardless of how well Infinite's received overall.jay3008 wrote:343 have so far made two halo games that the majority of the fan base have hated. (I enjoyed h4 campain) and also bungie didn't give up on anybody they told all they wanted to within the universe they created. I hope infinite does bring back the magic but i'll reserve my judgement until i see actual gameplay.Darth Reorb wrote:Yes it will.
343 are not amateurs anymore. They have made two Halo games which I LOVED. They know what they need to do to make a better game from the fans and they know their fans will support them.
343 IS the future of Halo.
Bungie gave up on us, let us all support 343 in the utmost.
For me the magic so to speak only really left in 5, and it was kinda zig-zagged. Blue Team finally making a physical presence had me ecstatic, but then the whole Evil Cortana and stuff happened... Gameplaywise though, Halo 5's my #1 (No, it wasn't my first Halo game. CE was.) with Halo 2 Anniversary and Reach being a close runner-up. If Infinite's like either of those though, I'll be happy as a clam multiplayer-wise.
I hear you. I just find it weird that Bungie leaves Microsoft and their biggest IP in the history of the company and perhaps even Microsoft to go make a RPGMMO for Activision.jay3008 wrote:343 have so far made two halo games that the majority of the fan base have hated. (I enjoyed h4 campain) and also bungie didn't give up on anybody they told all they wanted to within the universe they created. I hope infinite does bring back the magic but i'll reserve my judgement until i see actual gameplay.Darth Reorb wrote:Yes it will.
343 are not amateurs anymore. They have made two Halo games which I LOVED. They know what they need to do to make a better game from the fans and they know their fans will support them.
343 IS the future of Halo.
Bungie gave up on us, let us all support 343 in the utmost.
Honestly, sometimes I wonder if the Halo community doesn't just have some aversion to anything that's new. Not saying that dislike isn't unfounded at times (COUGH COUGH ARMOR LOCK, PROMETHEAN VISION, PERKS, KILLSTREAKS, SPARTAN CHARGE...) but then something that could genuinely be interesting comes up and it's still gunned down as being "It's Not Halo! Get rid of it!"Dead End 24 wrote:<Snip>Sylxeria wrote:I don't know about "majority" really. Halo 4's multiplayer certainly leaned more on the negative sure, but Halo 5 felt more like a Mixed-to-Positive bag and less of a 'majority negative'. There's also Halo Wars 2 which they had at least a hand in, even if Certain Affinity probably did most of it. (And yeah, I loved the H4 campaign too!)As for will it bring the 'magic' back? Hmm, hard to tell really. My best bet is that it'll draw in a lot of returning people and make them happy to varying extents, but not EVERYONE. There'll be someone who'll call it 343's "Third Strike" regardless of how well Infinite's received overall.jay3008 wrote:343 have so far made two halo games that the majority of the fan base have hated. (I enjoyed h4 campain) and also bungie didn't give up on anybody they told all they wanted to within the universe they created. I hope infinite does bring back the magic but i'll reserve my judgement until i see actual gameplay.Darth Reorb wrote:Yes it will.
343 are not amateurs anymore. They have made two Halo games which I LOVED. They know what they need to do to make a better game from the fans and they know their fans will support them.
343 IS the future of Halo.
Bungie gave up on us, let us all support 343 in the utmost.
For me the magic so to speak only really left in 5, and it was kinda zig-zagged. Blue Team finally making a physical presence had me ecstatic, but then the whole Evil Cortana and stuff happened... Gameplaywise though, Halo 5's my #1 (No, it wasn't my first Halo game. CE was.) with Halo 2 Anniversary and Reach being a close runner-up. If Infinite's like either of those though, I'll be happy as a clam multiplayer-wise.
343 is the only one to blame if Blue team and the squad system gets the axe. A dual perspective story is fine, a squad based story with assorted systems also would have been fine. Smashing them both together into a 5-6 hour campaign with 6 new(to the wider audience) characters was never going to end well. In and of itself I doubt many players would have had a problem with a properly implemented squad system, but like many things 343 has introduced/expanded upon, the implementation in both story and gameplay left much to be desired.Sylxeria wrote:Honestly, sometimes I wonder if the Halo community doesn't just have some aversion to anything that's new. Not saying that dislike isn't unfounded at times (COUGH COUGH ARMOR LOCK, PROMETHEAN VISION, PERKS, KILLSTREAKS, SPARTAN CHARGE...) but then something that could genuinely be interesting comes up and it's still gunned down as being "It's Not Halo! Get rid of it!"
The Squad system in the campaign was probably a good example for me personally, since it was something that technically could be turned on or off as the mission demands (As in Reach, where Noble Team wasn't ALWAYS with you, but it'd be useful for when they ARE) but thr very concept was bad so it 'has to go'. Blue Team might not mean much to people who never read the books or dug into Terminals and things, but they're huge for everyone else - and it's terribly unfair to people like myself who love Blue Team (Linda ftw) to bits to consider the fact they might be cut out of the next game just to make things simpler for people who only play the games.
They could just give a brief recap on them in-game in some way (Some NPC gawking over them e.g.) or put in the Black Boxes / Campaign Logs from Halo Wars to describe them, etc.
Back on the previous topic though... For a long time I keet hearing people insist that Halo "innovate" and be a leader again, but how can it innovate if any new suggestion or feature is gunned down as being "Not Halo"? Even if it's not explicitly parodying another game's mechanic to some degree or another, what can Halo do that no other game isn't already doing in some way AND still "Be Halo"? Even if no game around is doing a certain thing, 343 could add it and still have it be shot down for being "Not Halo". But I digress.
Very true, I guess that didn't really cross my mind when thinking about this earlier.WerepyreND wrote:Innovation isn't just about adding new mechanics to existing gameplay, its also about adding raising the bar in terms of features and content. I would argue that Halo 3 is easily the least innovative main Halo game in terms of core mechanics, but what it did do was massively raise the bar in terms of what the game brings to the table. In campaign we got 4 player co-op with scoring, skulls, and terminals. In multiplayer we got more expansive custom options than ever before, plus Forge, theater, and file share.Sylxeria wrote:Honestly, sometimes I wonder if the Halo community doesn't just have some aversion to anything that's new. Not saying that dislike isn't unfounded at times (COUGH COUGH ARMOR LOCK, PROMETHEAN VISION, PERKS, KILLSTREAKS, SPARTAN CHARGE...) but then something that could genuinely be interesting comes up and it's still gunned down as being "It's Not Halo! Get rid of it!"
The Squad system in the campaign was probably a good example for me personally, since it was something that technically could be turned on or off as the mission demands (As in Reach, where Noble Team wasn't ALWAYS with you, but it'd be useful for when they ARE) but thr very concept was bad so it 'has to go'. Blue Team might not mean much to people who never read the books or dug into Terminals and things, but they're huge for everyone else - and it's terribly unfair to people like myself who love Blue Team (Linda ftw) to bits to consider the fact they might be cut out of the next game just to make things simpler for people who only play the games.
They could just give a brief recap on them in-game in some way (Some NPC gawking over them e.g.) or put in the Black Boxes / Campaign Logs from Halo Wars to describe them, etc.
Back on the previous topic though... For a long time I keet hearing people insist that Halo "innovate" and be a leader again, but how can it innovate if any new suggestion or feature is gunned down as being "Not Halo"? Even if it's not explicitly parodying another game's mechanic to some degree or another, what can Halo do that no other game isn't already doing in some way AND still "Be Halo"? Even if no game around is doing a certain thing, 343 could add it and still have it be shot down for being "Not Halo". But I digress.
Many shooters released today still struggle to compete with a game released in 2007 and that was before Forge was massively expanded and Firefight was added. There is so much room to innovate with how players interact with Halo that I honestly can't fathom why folks are so fixated with changing what Halo is. You are never going bring back any magic playing follow the leader and you are not going to bring the community together by changing what the game is every release.
Players are also not obligated to like a certain number of changes for the sake of being reasonable. A consistent rejection of "new" things from a certain source suggests a failure to understand their audience, not that their audience is especially stubborn.
The squad-system in H5G was bad not because it was there, but because it was half--Yoinked!-. I wanted a squad-system (or at least minimal options for giving your teammates orders) ever since the first marine ran into my line of fire back in Halo CE. But what we got was laughable.Sylxeria wrote:The Squad system in the campaign was probably a good example for me personally, since it was something that technically could be turned on or off as the mission demands (As in Reach, where Noble Team wasn't ALWAYS with you, but it'd be useful for when they ARE) but thr very concept was bad so it 'has to go'. Blue Team might not mean much to people who never read the books or dug into Terminals and things, but they're huge for everyone else - and it's terribly unfair to people like myself who love Blue Team (Linda ftw) to bits to consider the fact they might be cut out of the next game just to make things simpler for people who only play the games.
