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Halo Wars 2 Atriox beating Spartan Red Team?

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I was watching the cinematic of when Red Team encounters Atriox and this thought came to my mind. “Why are they running towards him shooting?” The point of a gun is to be far away and be an equalizing force, not to walk 1 foot away and shoot. Especially when the subject is a brute (who they would have fought before and know that they are aptly named “brute” for a reason and especially a brute with a gravity hammer. Also, they shot for the armored part of his body. You’d think people trained from age 5 til 14 and with as much experience in combat as they have they’d aim for his head which is unprotected. Instead they aim for his torso which is armored. I find this to be very inaccurate and mainly created for cinematic purposes. While to others it looks cool, when I see stuff like this it makes me cringe, whether this or the fact in movies or shows people swing their arms out all the way (after a certain point you lose momentum in a strike if you extend out all the way) to strike a target whose 2-3 feet away. I’d like it if for future games you made the cinematic a more reasonable. Watch the cinematic again and tell me if it makes sense for “super soldiers” trained from age 5 in the art of war to charge at a fully armored brute who has a gravity hammer when they have guns.

Also I’m not criticizing the designers, the scene looks cool I guess? I see stuff like that and it just takes the “coolness” or awe out of the actual fight. It’s not hard to make a fight look more reasonable, have Atriox charge them. That would be more reasonable, after all he has the melee weapon and they have guns, that is generally how it goes down. So just for future notes please make it more reasonable. He has the hammer pull someone to him so you could have him pull 1 hit another with the Spartan still on his hammer, that eliminates 2 targets with 1 sweep and would be more reasonable than people trained from childhood abandoning reason and charging in when they are given guns for a reason.
I really liked the cutscene. They got caught off guard and tried to save one another but it was too much for them to handle. Them losing to Atriox sets the tone of how strong and smart he is. The one thing I didn’t like though is that douglas should of been helmetless the entire rest of the game since his helmet was crushed during the fight.
I don’t believe not expecting a brute to be there would be caught off guard lol. They’re Spartans, and they knew something happened to the outpost because of all the damage done to it, I feel like that would put them on guard to be especially alert, even though they should already and always be on guard because they’re Spartans. Theyre trained to handle stress well and combat situations tactically, example being to shoot the target with no helmet in the head to end the fight. If he’s smart he’d wear a helmet lol. Also i believe time passes slower for them because of enhancements to their adrenaline and Reaction time, making their reaction time in the low milliseconds, that should have let them identify the weakness, being his unshielded head. To top it off the AI told them danger was near. Also not being rude when I said all these things. I appreciate the fact that you took the time to comment. :) I just feel like there really is no reason for them to behave the way they did. My first thought was go for the head, granted seeing a giant beast appear from the dark that’s over 10 feet tall and holding an axe would be intimidating it still doesn’t cover the fact that you act. I would imagine it’s similar to when I’ve almost been hit by cars while walking or biking. I see it and I immediately sprint as fast as I can to get out of the way. A car passes me going 20 over the speed limit and is close enough to touch XD reaction time gets picked up. I see a brute I immediately sprint away gain distance to use a gun. They passed a corridor on the way in, get in there would limit his ability to move and use the hammer because of how big he is. (Sorry for my paragraphs of statements and replies) that’s what I would do, and I’m not trained from age 5 to deal with such situations they are and their first thought after seeing him was to charge him lol.
Also I’m not sure about the helmet lol. If that’s an oversight that’d be interesting. I think I saw somebody mention that and I think their response was that they had spare armor on the ship? But I don’t know personally. :)
Also I’m not sure about the helmet lol. If that’s an oversight that’d be interesting. I think I saw somebody mention that and I think their response was that they had spare armor on the ship? But I don’t know personally. :)
I recall a Waypoint article saying it had something to do with stuff on the Ark.
I really liked the cutscene. They got caught off guard and tried to save one another but it was too much for them to handle. Them losing to Atriox sets the tone of how strong and smart he is. The one thing I didn’t like though is that douglas should of been helmetless the entire rest of the game since his helmet was crushed during the fight.
That would be a nice touch but I'm sure they probably have at least some backup gear on board.
May have been disoriented from cryo sleep.

Learning from Halo: The Flood, cryo sleep causes freezer burn if you’re dressed. The Spartans probably slept in their armor. So it’s not unlikely that they weren’t all there at the time. I think Chief was the same way on the Autumn around the time he was unarmed and met an Elite moments after waking up.

Oh, and Covenant usually shoot first, so they probably figured “we haven’t been shot yet, so no one is home.”
Ultimately, it was probably up to the “rule of cool” rather than any of the reasons I gave.
Unsc are dumb dumbs, that is all you have to know.
I was watching the cinematic of when Red Team encounters Atriox and this thought came to my mind. “Why are they running towards him shooting?” The point of a gun is to be far away and be an equalizing force, not to walk 1 foot away and shoot. Especially when the subject is a brute (who they would have fought before and know that they are aptly named “brute” for a reason and especially a brute with a gravity hammer. Also, they shot for the armored part of his body. You’d think people trained from age 5 til 14 and with as much experience in combat as they have they’d aim for his head which is unprotected. Instead they aim for his torso which is armored. I find this to be very inaccurate and mainly created for cinematic purposes. While to others it looks cool, when I see stuff like this it makes me cringe, whether this or the fact in movies or shows people swing their arms out all the way (after a certain point you lose momentum in a strike if you extend out all the way) to strike a target whose 2-3 feet away. I’d like it if for future games you made the cinematic a more reasonable. Watch the cinematic again and tell me if it makes sense for “super soldiers” trained from age 5 in the art of war to charge at a fully armored brute who has a gravity hammer when they have guns.

Also I’m not criticizing the designers, the scene looks cool I guess? I see stuff like that and it just takes the “coolness” or awe out of the actual fight. It’s not hard to make a fight look more reasonable, have Atriox charge them. That would be more reasonable, after all he has the melee weapon and they have guns, that is generally how it goes down. So just for future notes please make it more reasonable. He has the hammer pull someone to him so you could have him pull 1 hit another with the Spartan still on his hammer, that eliminates 2 targets with 1 sweep and would be more reasonable than people trained from childhood abandoning reason and charging in when they are given guns for a reason.
I completely agree with you, but they had to create an op antagonist. That's usually why you have plot armoured bad guys with canon breaking strength (crushing mjolnir armour with one hand lol).

I feel like banished and atriox are a bit ott and so don't really think of them as part of halo lore personally.
I was watching the cinematic of when Red Team encounters Atriox and this thought came to my mind. “Why are they running towards him shooting?” The point of a gun is to be far away and be an equalizing force, not to walk 1 foot away and shoot. Especially when the subject is a brute (who they would have fought before and know that they are aptly named “brute” for a reason and especially a brute with a gravity hammer. Also, they shot for the armored part of his body. You’d think people trained from age 5 til 14 and with as much experience in combat as they have they’d aim for his head which is unprotected. Instead they aim for his torso which is armored. I find this to be very inaccurate and mainly created for cinematic purposes. While to others it looks cool, when I see stuff like this it makes me cringe, whether this or the fact in movies or shows people swing their arms out all the way (after a certain point you lose momentum in a strike if you extend out all the way) to strike a target whose 2-3 feet away. I’d like it if for future games you made the cinematic a more reasonable. Watch the cinematic again and tell me if it makes sense for “super soldiers” trained from age 5 in the art of war to charge at a fully armored brute who has a gravity hammer when they have guns.

Also I’m not criticizing the designers, the scene looks cool I guess? I see stuff like that and it just takes the “coolness” or awe out of the actual fight. It’s not hard to make a fight look more reasonable, have Atriox charge them. That would be more reasonable, after all he has the melee weapon and they have guns, that is generally how it goes down. So just for future notes please make it more reasonable. He has the hammer pull someone to him so you could have him pull 1 hit another with the Spartan still on his hammer, that eliminates 2 targets with 1 sweep and would be more reasonable than people trained from childhood abandoning reason and charging in when they are given guns for a reason.
I completely agree with you, but they had to create an op antagonist. That's usually why you have plot armoured bad guys with canon breaking strength (crushing mjolnir armour with one hand lol).

I feel like banished and atriox are a bit ott and so don't really think of them as part of halo lore personally.
Been a while since I wrote this hahaha, I still believe if they just did what I suggested they would still have an op antagonist. I know they probably wouldn't but I would have loved to see them shoot Atriox in the head and it be over just then and there. Then they have to fight the remnant without him leading. In reality, aim for the head. :p By in reality I mean if you're in that situation aim for the head, because it's the unarmored part of the brute. But in the current day and age people generally go for torso shots because it's easier to hit.
Atriox is not a standard brute. He is immensly strong although spartans have beaten powerful brutes in single combat before. The thing is he had augmentations to his already incredible strength with the harness he was wearing and was has an incredibley deadly weapon as well in his gravity mace. Also he is a military genius
Atriox is not a standard brute. He is immensly strong although spartans have beaten powerful brutes in single combat before. The thing is he had augmentations to his already incredible strength with the harness he was wearing and was has an incredibley deadly weapon as well in his gravity mace. Also he is a military genius
They still would have had better chances by focusing fire on his head, which was exposed lol and completely unprotected lol.
Atriox is not a standard brute. He is immensly strong although spartans have beaten powerful brutes in single combat before. The thing is he had augmentations to his already incredible strength with the harness he was wearing and was has an incredibley deadly weapon as well in his gravity mace. Also he is a military genius
They still would have had better chances by focusing fire on his head, which was exposed lol and completely unprotected lol.
True but we need a new villian that is worthy of a couple of games rather then just killing him off after one. I really want to see chief facehim i halo infinite
Atriox is not a standard brute. He is immensly strong although spartans have beaten powerful brutes in single combat before. The thing is he had augmentations to his already incredible strength with the harness he was wearing and was has an incredibley deadly weapon as well in his gravity mace. Also he is a military genius
They still would have had better chances by focusing fire on his head, which was exposed lol and completely unprotected lol.
Not really. The standard for military and police training is to aim for center mass. Sure, they have the HUD that helps them aim, but it’s still not as easy of a shot as the torso.
Atriox is not a standard brute. He is immensly strong although spartans have beaten powerful brutes in single combat before. The thing is he had augmentations to his already incredible strength with the harness he was wearing and was has an incredibley deadly weapon as well in his gravity mace. Also he is a military genius
They still would have had better chances by focusing fire on his head, which was exposed lol and completely unprotected lol.
Not really. The standard for military and police training is to aim for center mass. Sure, they have the HUD that helps them aim, but it’s still not as easy of a shot as the torso.
I said earlier in reality people aim for the torso area, but that's the heavily armored part of his body and in general brutes dont die very easily that way. A shotgun firing buckshot (Based on Halo Combat Evolved I believe its buckshot instead of slugs) aim for the head, the target is also bigger and his skull would be larger than a human therefore easier to hit. Also, if you hit the eyes (which would also be bigger due to the size of his skeletal frame) the eyes go right to the brain, firing the shotgun at his head has a higher chance to kill him and buckshot from the shotgun has a higher chance of making it into his eye and possibly his brain, if nothing else it will blind him.
Atriox is not a standard brute. He is immensly strong although spartans have beaten powerful brutes in single combat before. The thing is he had augmentations to his already incredible strength with the harness he was wearing and was has an incredibley deadly weapon as well in his gravity mace. Also he is a military genius
They still would have had better chances by focusing fire on his head, which was exposed lol and completely unprotected lol.
Not really. The standard for military and police training is to aim for center mass. Sure, they have the HUD that helps them aim, but it’s still not as easy of a shot as the torso.
I said earlier in reality people aim for the torso area, but that's the heavily armored part of his body and in general brutes dont die very easily that way. A shotgun firing buckshot (Based on Halo Combat Evolved I believe its buckshot instead of slugs) aim for the head, the target is also bigger and his skull would be larger than a human therefore easier to hit. Also, if you hit the eyes (which would also be bigger due to the size of his skeletal frame) the eyes go right to the brain, firing the shotgun at his head has a higher chance to kill him and buckshot from the shotgun has a higher chance of making it into his eye and possibly his brain, if nothing else it will blind him.
It’s still a smaller target than the torso. Isn’t it mentioned in Contact Harvest and Halo: The Flood that most UNSC weapons fire anti armor rounds, rather than standard HP rounds? At the very least, the BR55 does.

I don’t think “they have a bigger head than us” is a good excuse to abandon the training of aiming for center mass.
The real question is why Red Team didn’t bring grenades? Those are definitely helpful against Brutes, and wouldn’t have hurt the Spartans, tactically speaking. Anti personnel hand grenades don’t really have a super massive explosion, so using them in that building probably would’ve been fine.

Aaaand Planet of the Apes is coming to my mind.
Atriox is not a standard brute. He is immensly strong although spartans have beaten powerful brutes in single combat before. The thing is he had augmentations to his already incredible strength with the harness he was wearing and was has an incredibley deadly weapon as well in his gravity mace. Also he is a military genius
They still would have had better chances by focusing fire on his head, which was exposed lol and completely unprotected lol.
Not really. The standard for military and police training is to aim for center mass. Sure, they have the HUD that helps them aim, but it’s still not as easy of a shot as the torso.
I said earlier in reality people aim for the torso area, but that's the heavily armored part of his body and in general brutes dont die very easily that way. A shotgun firing buckshot (Based on Halo Combat Evolved I believe its buckshot instead of slugs) aim for the head, the target is also bigger and his skull would be larger than a human therefore easier to hit. Also, if you hit the eyes (which would also be bigger due to the size of his skeletal frame) the eyes go right to the brain, firing the shotgun at his head has a higher chance to kill him and buckshot from the shotgun has a higher chance of making it into his eye and possibly his brain, if nothing else it will blind him.
It’s still a smaller target than the torso. Isn’t it mentioned in Contact Harvest and Halo: The Flood that most UNSC weapons fire anti armor rounds, rather than standard HP rounds? At the very least, the BR55 does.

I don’t think “they have a bigger head than us” is a good excuse to abandon the training of aiming for center mass.
The real question is why Red Team didn’t bring grenades? Those are definitely helpful against Brutes, and wouldn’t have hurt the Spartans, tactically speaking. Anti personnel hand grenades don’t really have a super massive explosion, so using them in that building probably would’ve been fine.

Aaaand Planet of the Apes is coming to my mind.
I've never seen planet of the apes. Also, even armor piercing rounds dont stop brutes easily if at all. In Halo lore brutes have been shot with alot worse and still survived. Spartans also have what's called "spartan time" where everything moves slower, making it easier to aim for the head topped with the fact they were trained from age 6 in all things military, I believe that would include each of them being an expert marksman. "Like all Jiralhanae, they are vulnerable to head shots and may be killed by assassination" One part of the original question is why they were charging him with guns in the first place. Also, a large part of the reasoning behind aiming for the torso is because it's easier to hit, namely further away which is where a large portion of firefights take place. Or clearing of buildings but either way he was close and given the fact that he wasn't moving basically at all, he was just standing there to pose a menacing figure, that would make it easier to shoot him in the head. For the Halo lore it was a book or comic, I can't remember which but it's mentioned that brutes are able to withstand basically all UNSC weapons as if they're unaffected. I believe Hiddenxperia mentioned something like that on Youtube as well.
Atriox is not a standard brute. He is immensly strong although spartans have beaten powerful brutes in single combat before. The thing is he had augmentations to his already incredible strength with the harness he was wearing and was has an incredibley deadly weapon as well in his gravity mace. Also he is a military genius
They still would have had better chances by focusing fire on his head, which was exposed lol and completely unprotected lol.
Not really. The standard for military and police training is to aim for center mass. Sure, they have the HUD that helps them aim, but it’s still not as easy of a shot as the torso.
I said earlier in reality people aim for the torso area, but that's the heavily armored part of his body and in general brutes dont die very easily that way. A shotgun firing buckshot (Based on Halo Combat Evolved I believe its buckshot instead of slugs) aim for the head, the target is also bigger and his skull would be larger than a human therefore easier to hit. Also, if you hit the eyes (which would also be bigger due to the size of his skeletal frame) the eyes go right to the brain, firing the shotgun at his head has a higher chance to kill him and buckshot from the shotgun has a higher chance of making it into his eye and possibly his brain, if nothing else it will blind him.
It’s still a smaller target than the torso. Isn’t it mentioned in Contact Harvest and Halo: The Flood that most UNSC weapons fire anti armor rounds, rather than standard HP rounds? At the very least, the BR55 does.

I don’t think “they have a bigger head than us” is a good excuse to abandon the training of aiming for center mass.
The real question is why Red Team didn’t bring grenades? Those are definitely helpful against Brutes, and wouldn’t have hurt the Spartans, tactically speaking. Anti personnel hand grenades don’t really have a super massive explosion, so using them in that building probably would’ve been fine.

Aaaand Planet of the Apes is coming to my mind.
I've never seen planet of the apes. Also, even armor piercing rounds dont stop brutes easily if at all. In Halo lore brutes have been shot with alot worse and still survived. Spartans also have what's called "spartan time" where everything moves slower, making it easier to aim for the head topped with the fact they were trained from age 6 in all things military, I believe that would include each of them being an expert marksman. "Like all Jiralhanae, they are vulnerable to head shots and may be killed by assassination" One part of the original question is why they were charging him with guns in the first place. Also, a large part of the reasoning behind aiming for the torso is because it's easier to hit, namely further away which is where a large portion of firefights take place. Or clearing of buildings but either way he was close and given the fact that he wasn't moving basically at all, he was just standing there to pose a menacing figure, that would make it easier to shoot him in the head. For the Halo lore it was a book or comic, I can't remember which but it's mentioned that brutes are able to withstand basically all UNSC weapons as if they're unaffected. I believe Hiddenxperia mentioned something like that on Youtube as well.
Lore aside, let's recreate the same thing but with less random Ness. The goal was to make Atriocks look like a killer and a deadbeat at the same time. The player needs to fear him and hate him at the same time. So how do you achieve that goal? Well have him knock around a couple Spartan babies.

Overalls, Spartans are way over hyped and fantasize about. There was only one good Spartan according to your email and that is the master chef. He's the only super Spartan out there. The rest are just spec ops Marines in mjonir armor. Nothing more. Nothing less
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Atriox is not a standard brute. He is immensly strong although spartans have beaten powerful brutes in single combat before. The thing is he had augmentations to his already incredible strength with the harness he was wearing and was has an incredibley deadly weapon as well in his gravity mace. Also he is a military genius
They still would have had better chances by focusing fire on his head, which was exposed lol and completely unprotected lol.
Not really. The standard for military and police training is to aim for center mass. Sure, they have the HUD that helps them aim, but it’s still not as easy of a shot as the torso.
I said earlier in reality people aim for the torso area, but that's the heavily armored part of his body and in general brutes dont die very easily that way. A shotgun firing buckshot (Based on Halo Combat Evolved I believe its buckshot instead of slugs) aim for the head, the target is also bigger and his skull would be larger than a human therefore easier to hit. Also, if you hit the eyes (which would also be bigger due to the size of his skeletal frame) the eyes go right to the brain, firing the shotgun at his head has a higher chance to kill him and buckshot from the shotgun has a higher chance of making it into his eye and possibly his brain, if nothing else it will blind him.
It’s still a smaller target than the torso. Isn’t it mentioned in Contact Harvest and Halo: The Flood that most UNSC weapons fire anti armor rounds, rather than standard HP rounds? At the very least, the BR55 does.

I don’t think “they have a bigger head than us” is a good excuse to abandon the training of aiming for center mass.
The real question is why Red Team didn’t bring grenades? Those are definitely helpful against Brutes, and wouldn’t have hurt the Spartans, tactically speaking. Anti personnel hand grenades don’t really have a super massive explosion, so using them in that building probably would’ve been fine.

Aaaand Planet of the Apes is coming to my mind.
I've never seen planet of the apes. Also, even armor piercing rounds dont stop brutes easily if at all. In Halo lore brutes have been shot with alot worse and still survived. Spartans also have what's called "spartan time" where everything moves slower, making it easier to aim for the head topped with the fact they were trained from age 6 in all things military, I believe that would include each of them being an expert marksman. "Like all Jiralhanae, they are vulnerable to head shots and may be killed by assassination" One part of the original question is why they were charging him with guns in the first place. Also, a large part of the reasoning behind aiming for the torso is because it's easier to hit, namely further away which is where a large portion of firefights take place. Or clearing of buildings but either way he was close and given the fact that he wasn't moving basically at all, he was just standing there to pose a menacing figure, that would make it easier to shoot him in the head. For the Halo lore it was a book or comic, I can't remember which but it's mentioned that brutes are able to withstand basically all UNSC weapons as if they're unaffected. I believe Hiddenxperia mentioned something like that on Youtube as well.
Lore aside, let's recreate the same thing but with less random Ness. The goal was to make Atriocks look like a killer and a deadbeat at the same time. The player needs to fear him and hate him at the same time. So how do you achieve that goal? Well have him knock around a couple Spartan babies.

Overalls, Spartans are way over hyped and fantasize about. There was only one good Spartan according to your email and that is the master chef. He's the only super Spartan out there. The rest are just spec ops Marines in mjonir armor. Nothing more. Nothing less
That's not true, in their armor they can hit speeds of up to 80 mph running, if anything they are underhyped if you look at what the armor and augmentations can actually do for them. Also the Spartan from Halo 5 Fred something, "Chief" said he was better than him and was in the running for leading all of the Spartan IIs. Also, Noble 6 earned the title Hyper Lethal, something only one other was given the "Chief" being the other. Plenty of reasons why that's not true.
Atriox is not a standard brute. He is immensly strong although spartans have beaten powerful brutes in single combat before. The thing is he had augmentations to his already incredible strength with the harness he was wearing and was has an incredibley deadly weapon as well in his gravity mace. Also he is a military genius
They still would have had better chances by focusing fire on his head, which was exposed lol and completely unprotected lol.
Not really. The standard for military and police training is to aim for center mass. Sure, they have the HUD that helps them aim, but it’s still not as easy of a shot as the torso.
I said earlier in reality people aim for the torso area, but that's the heavily armored part of his body and in general brutes dont die very easily that way. A shotgun firing buckshot (Based on Halo Combat Evolved I believe its buckshot instead of slugs) aim for the head, the target is also bigger and his skull would be larger than a human therefore easier to hit. Also, if you hit the eyes (which would also be bigger due to the size of his skeletal frame) the eyes go right to the brain, firing the shotgun at his head has a higher chance to kill him and buckshot from the shotgun has a higher chance of making it into his eye and possibly his brain, if nothing else it will blind him.
It’s still a smaller target than the torso. Isn’t it mentioned in Contact Harvest and Halo: The Flood that most UNSC weapons fire anti armor rounds, rather than standard HP rounds? At the very least, the BR55 does.

I don’t think “they have a bigger head than us” is a good excuse to abandon the training of aiming for center mass.
The real question is why Red Team didn’t bring grenades? Those are definitely helpful against Brutes, and wouldn’t have hurt the Spartans, tactically speaking. Anti personnel hand grenades don’t really have a super massive explosion, so using them in that building probably would’ve been fine.

Aaaand Planet of the Apes is coming to my mind.
I've never seen planet of the apes. Also, even armor piercing rounds dont stop brutes easily if at all. In Halo lore brutes have been shot with alot worse and still survived. Spartans also have what's called "spartan time" where everything moves slower, making it easier to aim for the head topped with the fact they were trained from age 6 in all things military, I believe that would include each of them being an expert marksman. "Like all Jiralhanae, they are vulnerable to head shots and may be killed by assassination" One part of the original question is why they were charging him with guns in the first place. Also, a large part of the reasoning behind aiming for the torso is because it's easier to hit, namely further away which is where a large portion of firefights take place. Or clearing of buildings but either way he was close and given the fact that he wasn't moving basically at all, he was just standing there to pose a menacing figure, that would make it easier to shoot him in the head. For the Halo lore it was a book or comic, I can't remember which but it's mentioned that brutes are able to withstand basically all UNSC weapons as if they're unaffected. I believe Hiddenxperia mentioned something like that on Youtube as well.
Yes, Brutes are heavily armored naturally. Still killable enough with explosives and most UNSC firearms. We mowed through the common ones in Halo 3, and who we can presume is Chief took down a Chieftain single handed in hand to hand combat.

Atriox is something else entirely, though, he still isn’t immune to death. Charging was a pretty dumb move, admittedly, I won’t deny that.

The point is, aiming for the body still would’ve been the way to go.
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