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So we see Atriox wreck three Spartans by himself at the same time. Now, in a later cutscene we see one Spartan effortlessly take down 5 elites and later a dozen brutes armed with gravity hammers. He beats them by being faster and as strong as the Brutes, notice how he dodges a gravity hammer and manages to pull one brute by grabbing its open jaw. So the strength difference isn't that extreme. The shotgun pellets also pierce the Brutes bulky plate armor.

So how does the fight with Atriox make any sense?

We see three Spartans gun fire bounch off Atriox despite all other cutscenes showing the bullets go clean through the plate and Atriox doesn't flash to indicate he is wearing an energy shield. If a knife can pierce his hide, then why wouldn't a gunshot? Plus, Atriox is shown as being faster than Red Team. How? If he is just a normal Brute then how would he be quicker than a normal brute. When Jerome fights them, they are virtually moving in slow motion and he can run rings around them. How can an unaugmented Brute be that much better? Hes also shown as obscenely strong. He kicks a fully armoured Spartan away, punchs another across a room and was able to restrain Alice picking her up with one arm. If all Brutes are this strong then how come Jerome can wreck house with a dozen Chieftains with similar equipment.
Did you not pay any attention to Isabel telling you about him. He is not "just a brute" he is stronger, faster, smarter. They sent 40 of his clan in as expendable units every battle, none ever came back until he did. Then he watches his clan die 39 at time because he always made it back. He is not "just a brute" that's why. Seeing as he commands all the banished and he is not just a brute one can assume he is not wearing the same quality armor of over brutes either, I mean Decimus armor is an exoskeleton suit so. Really pay attention to the whole campaign
Numot15 wrote:
Did you not pay any attention to Isabel telling you about him. He is not "just a brute" he is stronger, faster, smarter. They sent 40 of his clan in as expendable units every battle, none ever came back until he did. Then he watches his clan die 39 at time because he always made it back. He is not "just a brute" that's why. Seeing as he commands all the banished and he is not just a brute one can assume he is not wearing the same quality armor of over brutes either, I mean Decimus armor is an exoskeleton suit so. Really pay attention to the whole campaign
Atriox isn't wearing a 30 foot combat harness. That's a poor comparison.

He came back in suicide charges against marines. Not Spartans. That doesn't prove anything beyond the fact that a 9 foot armored ape with a gravity hammer can kill 6 foot unaugmented humans with normal assault rifles. That isn't impressive and doesn't automatically mean he can take on three Spartans at once. Remember in the Halo 4 intro cutscene where the Chief is owning this enormous Chieftain and leaves a pile of dead brutes littering the ground? Atriox is fighting 3 of them...at the same time...and winning...

Isabel never says he is "stronger, faster or smarter", she just retells his rise to power and the focus is on him as a leader; not his physical prowess as a warrior.
What does the scouter say about their power levels?
What does the scouter say about their power levels?
"Wait a minute its the wrong way round...its over 9000."
Numot15 wrote:
Did you not pay any attention to Isabel telling you about him. He is not "just a brute" he is stronger, faster, smarter. They sent 40 of his clan in as expendable units every battle, none ever came back until he did. Then he watches his clan die 39 at time because he always made it back. He is not "just a brute" that's why. Seeing as he commands all the banished and he is not just a brute one can assume he is not wearing the same quality armor of over brutes either, I mean Decimus armor is an exoskeleton suit so. Really pay attention to the whole campaign
Atriox isn't wearing a 30 foot combat harness. That's a poor comparison.

He came back in suicide charges against marines. Not Spartans. That doesn't prove anything beyond the fact that a 9 foot armored ape with a gravity hammer can kill 6 foot unaugmented humans with normal assault rifles. That isn't impressive and doesn't automatically mean he can take on three Spartans at once. Remember in the Halo 4 intro cutscene where the Chief is owning this enormous Chieftain and leaves a pile of dead brutes littering the ground? Atriox is fighting 3 of them...at the same time...and winning...

Isabel never says he is "stronger, faster or smarter", she just retells his rise to power and the focus is on him as a leader; not his physical prowess as a warrior.
I don't think they ever said that his clan just went on suicide charges against marines, for all you know maybe his clan was a crack squad that they sent wherever the fighting was hardest (which likely means that there were many Spartans there). And although Isabel doesn't explicitly say that that Atriox is "stronger, faster, smarter" you can assume he is all of those things since he consistently returns from suicide missions where all other members of his team are killed. He also has his power gauntlet that he uses to crush Douglas' shoulder and helmet, so I would believe that would augment his strength to a considerable degree.
As for knifes/shotgun pellets piercing his hide, I would assume that he has higher quality armor since he is the leader of the Banished, in addition he might just have ridiculously high pain tolerance.
So we see Atriox wreck three Spartans by himself at the same time. Now, in a later cutscene we see one Spartan effortlessly take down 5 elites and later a dozen brutes armed with gravity hammers. He beats them by being faster and as strong as the Brutes, notice how he dodges a gravity hammer and manages to pull one brute by grabbing its open jaw. So the strength difference isn't that extreme. The shotgun pellets also pierce the Brutes bulky plate armor.

So how does the fight with Atriox make any sense?

We see three Spartans gun fire bounch off Atriox despite all other cutscenes showing the bullets go clean through the plate and Atriox doesn't flash to indicate he is wearing an energy shield. If a knife can pierce his hide, then why wouldn't a gunshot? Plus, Atriox is shown as being faster than Red Team. How? If he is just a normal Brute then how would he be quicker than a normal brute. When Jerome fights them, they are virtually moving in slow motion and he can run rings around them. How can an unaugmented Brute be that much better? Hes also shown as obscenely strong. He kicks a fully armoured Spartan away, punchs another across a room and was able to restrain Alice picking her up with one arm. If all Brutes are this strong then how come Jerome can wreck house with a dozen Chieftains with similar equipment.
He's wearing a powered gauntlet on his right arm. He had the advantage in the situation, as well. He was waiting for the Spartans. In the cutscene where Jerome fends off those Brutes, he was the one waiting for them, and thus had the advantage.

Also, what do you mean by "despite all other cutscenes showing the bullets go clean through the plate?"
Numot15 wrote:
I don't think they ever said that his clan just went on suicide charges against marines, for all you know maybe his clan was a crack squad that they sent wherever the fighting was hardest (which likely means that there were many Spartans there). And although Isabel doesn't explicitly say that that Atriox is "stronger, faster, smarter" you can assume he is all of those things since he consistently returns from suicide missions where all other members of his team are killed. He also has his power gauntlet that he uses to crush Douglas' shoulder and helmet, so I would believe that would augment his strength to a considerable degree.
As for knifes/shotgun pellets piercing his hide, I would assume that he has higher quality armor since he is the leader of the Banished, in addition he might just have ridiculously high pain tolerance.
Theres less than a hundred Spartan 2's? The odds of Atriox encountering any in a galactic war are pretty unlikely. Much less as a regular occurrence. So they would have just been fighting marines.

You see Douglas stab Atriox and the Knife sticks into his body armor. If it can partially pierce it, then surely a bullet could? Also I didn't understand why Red Teams energy shields didn't protect them from Atriox. I mean how was he able to just grab Alice? Wouldn't his energy mace "ground-pound" only spark the shields and wouldn't it stop them being knocked over? I mean Blur have been historically really inconsistent with the energy shields in general; its one of the most immersion breaking things they do. Even Halo 5 is fairly consistent that if you shoot an elite he has energy shields.

He only has a power gauntlet on one of his hands, not his whole body. That doesn't mean he could lick one. Plus it makes no sense how he is fast enough to keep up with the Spartans.
So we see Atriox wreck three Spartans by himself at the same time. Now, in a later cutscene we see one Spartan effortlessly take down 5 elites and later a dozen brutes armed with gravity hammers. He beats them by being faster and as strong as the Brutes, notice how he dodges a gravity hammer and manages to pull one brute by grabbing its open jaw. So the strength difference isn't that extreme. The shotgun pellets also pierce the Brutes bulky plate armor.

So how does the fight with Atriox make any sense?

We see three Spartans gun fire bounch off Atriox despite all other cutscenes showing the bullets go clean through the plate and Atriox doesn't flash to indicate he is wearing an energy shield. If a knife can pierce his hide, then why wouldn't a gunshot? Plus, Atriox is shown as being faster than Red Team. How? If he is just a normal Brute then how would he be quicker than a normal brute. When Jerome fights them, they are virtually moving in slow motion and he can run rings around them. How can an unaugmented Brute be that much better? Hes also shown as obscenely strong. He kicks a fully armoured Spartan away, punchs another across a room and was able to restrain Alice picking her up with one arm. If all Brutes are this strong then how come Jerome can wreck house with a dozen Chieftains with similar equipment.
He's wearing a powered gauntlet on his right arm. He had the advantage in the situation, as well. He was waiting for the Spartans. In the cutscene where Jerome fends off those Brutes, he was the one waiting for them, and thus had the advantage.

Also, what do you mean by "despite all other cutscenes showing the bullets go clean through the plate?"
So does a gravity hammer. This hasn't helped brutes when they fought Spartans before because they couldn't hit them. Why should it be different now.

They fought one brute in close quarters with a gravity hammer. Later scene one Spartan kills a dozen brutes with gravity hammers in an enclosed space. Same scenario, different outcome.

In the cutscene on the carrier where Jerome shoots a shotgun and it cuts clean through the Banished soldier he is fighting. Or when he uses two shots of his pistol to kill an elite. But when they fight Atriox the guns just magically stop working.
Several Things:

1. Red Team are biologically and mentally 21 years old (they were 21 when they entered cryosleep). They're relatively inexperienced compared to other Spartan-II's and even some Spartan-IV's.

2. They were in Cryosleep for nearly 3 decades. Their limbs would be stiff and their reaction times slowed somewhat.

3. Atriox is unlike any threat they've encountered before and is more than twice their size due to his armor. You can literally see Douglas's surprise when his knife has no effect on Atriox. You rarely go into a fight against an unknown enemy and come out on top, Spartan or not.

4. They're fighting him with small arms. They manage to get a few BR rounds off in the beginning, but otherwise all they manage to shoot is a low-caliber Magnum. Against someone like Atriox (a Brute) with power armor (and presumably energy shields), that's really not effective.

5. Gameplay is never representative of true canon and people need to be aware of that. CE's Warthog Run, anyone?
So we see Atriox wreck three Spartans by himself at the same time. Now, in a later cutscene we see one Spartan effortlessly take down 5 elites and later a dozen brutes armed with gravity hammers. He beats them by being faster and as strong as the Brutes, notice how he dodges a gravity hammer and manages to pull one brute by grabbing its open jaw. So the strength difference isn't that extreme. The shotgun pellets also pierce the Brutes bulky plate armor.

So how does the fight with Atriox make any sense?

We see three Spartans gun fire bounch off Atriox despite all other cutscenes showing the bullets go clean through the plate and Atriox doesn't flash to indicate he is wearing an energy shield. If a knife can pierce his hide, then why wouldn't a gunshot? Plus, Atriox is shown as being faster than Red Team. How? If he is just a normal Brute then how would he be quicker than a normal brute. When Jerome fights them, they are virtually moving in slow motion and he can run rings around them. How can an unaugmented Brute be that much better? Hes also shown as obscenely strong. He kicks a fully armoured Spartan away, punchs another across a room and was able to restrain Alice picking her up with one arm. If all Brutes are this strong then how come Jerome can wreck house with a dozen Chieftains with similar equipment.
He's wearing a powered gauntlet on his right arm. He had the advantage in the situation, as well. He was waiting for the Spartans. In the cutscene where Jerome fends off those Brutes, he was the one waiting for them, and thus had the advantage.

Also, what do you mean by "despite all other cutscenes showing the bullets go clean through the plate?"
So does a gravity hammer. This hasn't helped brutes when they fought Spartans before because they couldn't hit them. Why should it be different now.

They fought one brute in close quarters with a gravity hammer. Later scene one Spartan kills a dozen brutes with gravity hammers in an enclosed space. Same scenario, different outcome.

In the cutscene on the carrier where Jerome shoots a shotgun and it cuts clean through the Banished soldier he is fighting. Or when he uses two shots of his pistol to kill an elite. But when they fight Atriox the guns just magically stop working.
"So does a gravity hammer. This hasn't helped brutes when they fought Spartans before because they couldn't hit them. Why should it be different now."

I don't understand what you're responding to.

Also....
"In the cutscene on the carrier where Jerome shoots a shotgun and it cuts clean through the Banished soldier he is fighting. Or when he uses two shots of his pistol to kill an elite. But when they fight Atriox the guns just magically stop working."

Because his armor is made of a more resistant alloy, befitting of his status as the Banished leader.
So we see Atriox wreck three Spartans by himself at the same time. Now, in a later cutscene we see one Spartan effortlessly take down 5 elites and later a dozen brutes armed with gravity hammers. He beats them by being faster and as strong as the Brutes, notice how he dodges a gravity hammer and manages to pull one brute by grabbing its open jaw. So the strength difference isn't that extreme. The shotgun pellets also pierce the Brutes bulky plate armor.

So how does the fight with Atriox make any sense?

We see three Spartans gun fire bounch off Atriox despite all other cutscenes showing the bullets go clean through the plate and Atriox doesn't flash to indicate he is wearing an energy shield. If a knife can pierce his hide, then why wouldn't a gunshot? Plus, Atriox is shown as being faster than Red Team. How? If he is just a normal Brute then how would he be quicker than a normal brute. When Jerome fights them, they are virtually moving in slow motion and he can run rings around them. How can an unaugmented Brute be that much better? Hes also shown as obscenely strong. He kicks a fully armoured Spartan away, punchs another across a room and was able to restrain Alice picking her up with one arm. If all Brutes are this strong then how come Jerome can wreck house with a dozen Chieftains with similar equipment.
"So does a gravity hammer. This hasn't helped brutes when they fought Spartans before because they couldn't hit them. Why should it be different now."

I don't understand what you're responding to.

Also....
"In the cutscene on the carrier where Jerome shoots a shotgun and it cuts clean through the Banished soldier he is fighting. Or when he uses two shots of his pistol to kill an elite. But when they fight Atriox the guns just magically stop working."

Because his armor is made of a more resistant alloy, befitting of his status as the Banished leader.
Well I'll break it down for you since you can't work it out for yourself. A gravity hammer increases the force of a brutes melee attacks. Functionally it is exactly the same as having a power gauntlet. In fact, the hammer is more powerful since it should be able to kill a Spartan if it connects with him. So saying "Atriox has something that boosts his strength so can beat Spartans" doesn't add up because Jerome can kill a dozen brutes with weapons that enhance their strength.

Yet a Knife is able to pierce this armor...

Spartan armor is also more resistant and they're supposed to have energy shields. How can this armor withstand falling from space but not a power gauntlet or him punching them?
Numot15 wrote:
Did you not pay any attention to Isabel telling you about him. He is not "just a brute" he is stronger, faster, smarter. They sent 40 of his clan in as expendable units every battle, none ever came back until he did. Then he watches his clan die 39 at time because he always made it back. He is not "just a brute" that's why. Seeing as he commands all the banished and he is not just a brute one can assume he is not wearing the same quality armor of over brutes either, I mean Decimus armor is an exoskeleton suit so. Really pay attention to the whole campaign
Atriox isn't wearing a 30 foot combat harness. That's a poor comparison.

He came back in suicide charges against marines. Not Spartans. That doesn't prove anything beyond the fact that a 9 foot armored ape with a gravity hammer can kill 6 foot unaugmented humans with normal assault rifles. That isn't impressive and doesn't automatically mean he can take on three Spartans at once. Remember in the Halo 4 intro cutscene where the Chief is owning this enormous Chieftain and leaves a pile of dead brutes littering the ground? Atriox is fighting 3 of them...at the same time...and winning...

Isabel never says he is "stronger, faster or smarter", she just retells his rise to power and the focus is on him as a leader; not his physical prowess as a warrior.
I don't think they ever said that his clan just went on suicide charges against marines, for all you know maybe his clan was a crack squad that they sent wherever the fighting was hardest (which likely means that there were many Spartans there). And although Isabel doesn't explicitly say that that Atriox is "stronger, faster, smarter" you can assume he is all of those things since he consistently returns from suicide missions where all other members of his team are killed. He also has his power gauntlet that he uses to crush Douglas' shoulder and helmet, so I would believe that would augment his strength to a considerable degree.
As for knifes/shotgun pellets piercing his hide, I would assume that he has higher quality armor since he is the leader of the Banished, in addition he might just have ridiculously high pain tolerance.
We assume the faster and stronger part due to him being only one to live countless times. The smarter part is documented in the game, every review and preview of the game and any time they have talked about the leader of the new Banished faction. He is more intelligent than other brutes, this is not assumed this is stated fact by the game itself and it's designers
Numot15 wrote:
Numot15 wrote:
Did you not pay any attention to Isabel telling you about him. He is not "just a brute" he is stronger, faster, smarter. They sent 40 of his clan in as expendable units every battle, none ever came back until he did. Then he watches his clan die 39 at time because he always made it back. He is not "just a brute" that's why. Seeing as he commands all the banished and he is not just a brute one can assume he is not wearing the same quality armor of over brutes either, I mean Decimus armor is an exoskeleton suit so. Really pay attention to the whole campaign
We assume the faster and stronger part due to him being only one to live countless times. The smarter part is documented in the game, every review and preview of the game and any time they have talked about the leader of the new Banished faction. He is more intelligent than other brutes, this is not assumed this is stated fact by the game itself and it's designers
But physically he is still a normal brute and bound by the physical limitations of his species. A brute can only be so fast and so strong compared to his kin. You can't have one scene that portrays a Brute as being on a level with a Spartan 2 and then another scene in which one effortlessly kills a dozen of them.

Its the extreme inconsistency that's the issue.
Numot15 wrote:
Numot15 wrote:
Did you not pay any attention to Isabel telling you about him. He is not "just a brute" he is stronger, faster, smarter. They sent 40 of his clan in as expendable units every battle, none ever came back until he did. Then he watches his clan die 39 at time because he always made it back. He is not "just a brute" that's why. Seeing as he commands all the banished and he is not just a brute one can assume he is not wearing the same quality armor of over brutes either, I mean Decimus armor is an exoskeleton suit so. Really pay attention to the whole campaign
We assume the faster and stronger part due to him being only one to live countless times. The smarter part is documented in the game, every review and preview of the game and any time they have talked about the leader of the new Banished faction. He is more intelligent than other brutes, this is not assumed this is stated fact by the game itself and it's designers
But physically he is still a normal brute and bound by the physical limitations of his species. A brute can only be so fast and so strong compared to his kin. You can't have one scene that portrays a Brute as being on a level with a Spartan 2 and then another scene in which one effortlessly kills a dozen of them.
OP, you're missing key points.

First, the knife works when the bullet didn't because armour is not solid plate. You can't have solid plate or you can't MOVE. The knife would have gone into the joint that allows you to bend over in the centre of the chest.

Secondly, the Second Battle of Harvest was one of the earliest battle of the human covenant war, taking place in 2232, 20 years before it's end. This gives Red team a max of 7 seven years fighting covenant. Rise of Atriox first notes Atriox in 2250, in Rise of Atriox 1. At this point Atriox is already rogue. So we know Atriox had a long run in the Covenant hitting hardest targets, the survived eight years of raiding targets. He is actually more seasoned then Red Team.

Finally, as it's been said, they spent almost 30 years in cryo, just woke and and weren't expecting much trouble. Remember Red Team rarely fought Brutes, most of their foes were elite led. He surprised them, and is insanely strong for a Brute.

As opposed, later in the campaign Jerome is fighting brutes who are on the back foot, and no where near as powerful as Atriox. Think back to Halo 3, where we killed regular brutes whole sale but chieftains really put us on the back foot, especially when charging. Atriox is that, dialled up to 11
Numot15 wrote:
Numot15 wrote:
Did you not pay any attention to Isabel telling you about him. He is not "just a brute" he is stronger, faster, smarter. They sent 40 of his clan in as expendable units every battle, none ever came back until he did. Then he watches his clan die 39 at time because he always made it back. He is not "just a brute" that's why. Seeing as he commands all the banished and he is not just a brute one can assume he is not wearing the same quality armor of over brutes either, I mean Decimus armor is an exoskeleton suit so. Really pay attention to the whole campaign
We assume the faster and stronger part due to him being only one to live countless times. The smarter part is documented in the game, every review and preview of the game and any time they have talked about the leader of the new Banished faction. He is more intelligent than other brutes, this is not assumed this is stated fact by the game itself and it's designers
But physically he is still a normal brute and bound by the physical limitations of his species. A brute can only be so fast and so strong compared to his kin. You can't have one scene that portrays a Brute as being on a level with a Spartan 2 and then another scene in which one effortlessly kills a dozen of them.
OP, you're missing key points.

First, the knife works when the bullet didn't because armour is not solid plate. You can't have solid plate or you can't MOVE. The knife would have gone into the joint that allows you to bend over in the centre of the chest.

Secondly, the Second Battle of Harvest was one of the earliest battle of the human covenant war, taking place in 2232, 20 years before it's end. This gives Red team a max of 7 seven years fighting covenant. Rise of Atriox first notes Atriox in 2250, in Rise of Atriox 1. At this point Atriox is already rogue. So we know Atriox had a long run in the Covenant hitting hardest targets, the survived eight years of raiding targets. He is actually more seasoned then Red Team.

Finally, as it's been said, they spent almost 30 years in cryo, just woke and and weren't expecting much trouble. Remember Red Team rarely fought Brutes, most of their foes were elite led. He surprised them, and is insanely strong for a Brute.

As opposed, later in the campaign Jerome is fighting brutes who are on the back foot, and no where near as powerful as Atriox. Think back to Halo 3, where we killed regular brutes whole sale but chieftains really put us on the back foot, especially when charging. Atriox is that, dialled up to 11
Spartans are really accurate, if most of Atriox wasn't armoured then why didn't any bullets hit his less armoured body parts?

They fight Brutes during a mission in Halo Wars 1.

So should the brutes Jerome effortlessly killed and they didn't seem inexperienced when they fought against the Elites in the first HW.

This isn't the Aliens franchise. Chief woke up from cryo and was able to fight fine twice in the game. Theres never been any insinuation that cryo has the same negative effects we see in Alien and Serina even remarks that "cryo worked well". If Cutter thought Red Team were ill from their travel then he wouldn't have deployed them. Plus there isn't any dialogue that vouches your theory.

But those are Chieftains as indicated by their gravity hammers.

We see the Chief wreck a Chieftain in the Halo 4 intro. You're talking about 3 Spartan 2's against 1 Brute.
Numot15 wrote:
Numot15 wrote:
Did you not pay any attention to Isabel telling you about him. He is not "just a brute" he is stronger, faster, smarter. They sent 40 of his clan in as expendable units every battle, none ever came back until he did. Then he watches his clan die 39 at time because he always made it back. He is not "just a brute" that's why. Seeing as he commands all the banished and he is not just a brute one can assume he is not wearing the same quality armor of over brutes either, I mean Decimus armor is an exoskeleton suit so. Really pay attention to the whole campaign
We assume the faster and stronger part due to him being only one to live countless times. The smarter part is documented in the game, every review and preview of the game and any time they have talked about the leader of the new Banished faction. He is more intelligent than other brutes, this is not assumed this is stated fact by the game itself and it's designers
Spartans are really accurate, if most of Atriox wasn't armoured then why didn't any bullets hit his less armoured body parts?

They fight Brutes during a mission in Halo Wars 1.

So should the brutes Jerome effortlessly killed and they didn't seem inexperienced when they fought against the Elites in the first HW.

This isn't the Aliens franchise. Chief woke up from cryo and was able to fight fine twice in the game. Theres never been any insinuation that cryo has the same negative effects we see in Alien and Serina even remarks that "cryo worked well". If Cutter thought Red Team were ill from their travel then he wouldn't have deployed them. Plus there isn't any dialogue that vouches your theory.

But those are Chieftains as indicated by their gravity hammers.

We see the Chief wreck a Chieftain in the Halo 4 intro. You're talking about 3 Spartan 2's against 1 Brute.
Because hitting a target up close, when you've been surprised and you're used to their plate being about 30 years less advanced then it was when you left is a big ask. Yeah they fight regular brutes, once, with heavy marine and hellbringer support and an elephant...before being attacked by flood. A normal brute doesn't die to a few br bursts, you think Atriox would?

No, they don't. They're still Spartan's, simply less experienced then other SIIs.

Forget aliens, you ever read The Flood or watched forward unto dawn? Both show cryo can cause discomfort and confusion, although Lasky in the later obviously suffers much worse then normal.

Yes, and Atriox has one of those hammer, if you pay attention. It's got an energy sword attached sure, but it is one.

The chief, who had been fighting for 30 years? There is a big, big diffience between taking down a big baddie after a big fight to warm you up and make you alert (but before you pass your peak and become tired) and being surprise attacked from behind. Also, generally speaking, brutes are stronger then SII's in close combat, shown in Halo First Strike. Skill helps, but Brutes are named aptly. They are much stronger then the average species, other then hunters who technically cheat by being lots of small creatures tied together.

Seriously, put Halo 3 up to Legendary, take a brute chieftain and fire a few BR bursts at him and a few magnum shots, then punch him. Not dead is he? Atriox is the strongest known Brute.
Just a quick note, not all brutes within the Banished faction that has a gravity hammer is a chieftain. They seem to be a pretty common weapon throughout the Banished.
I see you didn't pay attention. Atriox is different. As others said, he is smarter, faster, stronger, and far more battle tested.

Also, if you were paying attention he was wearing an exo suit. Similar to a Spartans (Hell, some of it does have Spartan resemblance, so perhaps he enjoyed some spoils of war from fallen Spartans). Which enhances his already remarkable strength, and speed.
Numot15 wrote:
Numot15 wrote:
Did you not pay any attention to Isabel telling you about him. He is not "just a brute" he is stronger, faster, smarter. They sent 40 of his clan in as expendable units every battle, none ever came back until he did. Then he watches his clan die 39 at time because he always made it back. He is not "just a brute" that's why. Seeing as he commands all the banished and he is not just a brute one can assume he is not wearing the same quality armor of over brutes either, I mean Decimus armor is an exoskeleton suit so. Really pay attention to the whole campaign
We assume the faster and stronger part due to him being only one to live countless times. The smarter part is documented in the game, every review and preview of the game and any time they have talked about the leader of the new Banished faction. He is more intelligent than other brutes, this is not assumed this is stated fact by the game itself and it's designers
Spartans are really accurate, if most of Atriox wasn't armoured then why didn't any bullets hit his less armoured body parts?

They fight Brutes during a mission in Halo Wars 1.

So should the brutes Jerome effortlessly killed and they didn't seem inexperienced when they fought against the Elites in the first HW.

This isn't the Aliens franchise. Chief woke up from cryo and was able to fight fine twice in the game. Theres never been any insinuation that cryo has the same negative effects we see in Alien and Serina even remarks that "cryo worked well". If Cutter thought Red Team were ill from their travel then he wouldn't have deployed them. Plus there isn't any dialogue that vouches your theory.

But those are Chieftains as indicated by their gravity hammers.

We see the Chief wreck a Chieftain in the Halo 4 intro. You're talking about 3 Spartan 2's against 1 Brute.
Because hitting a target up close, when you've been surprised and you're used to their plate being about 30 years less advanced then it was when you left is a big ask. Yeah they fight regular brutes, once, with heavy marine and hellbringer support and an elephant...before being attacked by flood. A normal brute doesn't die to a few br bursts, you think Atriox would?

No, they don't. They're still Spartan's, simply less experienced then other SIIs.

Forget aliens, you ever read The Flood or watched forward unto dawn? Both show cryo can cause discomfort and confusion, although Lasky in the later obviously suffers much worse then normal.

Yes, and Atriox has one of those hammer, if you pay attention. It's got an energy sword attached sure, but it is one.

The chief, who had been fighting for 30 years? There is a big, big diffience between taking down a big baddie after a big fight to warm you up and make you alert (but before you pass your peak and become tired) and being surprise attacked from behind. Also, generally speaking, brutes are stronger then SII's in close combat, shown in Halo First Strike. Skill helps, but Brutes are named aptly. They are much stronger then the average species, other then hunters who technically cheat by being lots of small creatures tied together.

Seriously, put Halo 3 up to Legendary, take a brute chieftain and fire a few BR bursts at him and a few magnum shots, then punch him. Not dead is he? Atriox is the strongest known Brute.
In the final cutscene we see the Brutes taking cover from a few battle rifle equipped marines and generally speaking the UNSC weapons seem to one shot the Brutes/Elites in Blur cutscenes. For much the same reason Buckes light rifle caps an elite, Blur tends to go with what seems the most dramatic or visually appealing rather than base it off the game. So no flashing energy shields and weapons that instantly drop enemies like Stormtroopers. The problem is when they are inconsistent like they are with Atriox when suddenly these rules stop applying and the scene's logic shuts down.

They're still Spartans. They have been trained from infancy to be warriors, cut up and remade into demi gods. Atriox has led a pampered life by comparison. I could believe that a Brute could beat ONE Spartan 2, but not three of them at once. Even the Didact struggles with Blue Team and he is a Forerunner with all their space magic stuff. Or the Warden Eternal who gets repeatedly beaten by groups of Spartans despite being a 15 foot death machine who shoots wormholes at you. This depiction doesn't tie up to other fights which depict a team of Spartans being able to take down much more powerful villains. I mean, go on Warzone Mythic, hit the Warden with a few gravity hammer blows and punch him a few times; the Wardens still there.... So how can Spartans beat something (often more than one) like that but get owned in 30 seconds by Atriox?

Did not know that bout the cryo. But then it seems out of character for Cutter to send them in with cryo sickness and Serina's comments that the cryo worked well. Plus there isn't a reference to them actually being rusty. The scene is depicted as Atriox beating a full strength Red Team and this matches Dev comments.

Also, what were Red Team doing whilst Douglas wrestled with Atriox? Why didn't one of them jump him from behind or shoot him in the back? Theres a ten second segment where he is crushing his shoulder where either of them could have leapt in. I also don't understand their weapon configuration considering Alice is always shown using a chaingun, Jerome a Laser and Douglas a missile launcher. Shotguns and SMG's seem more appropriate for the close quarters mission too.
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