Are they Op as hell or am I missing something here
OP
He is tough, especaiily when you have a player that knows how to Kite properly.
Some Tips
Good Luck
Some Tips
- Unit comp might be - Air power with Vultures, Banshses, Honets with support of hunters and such will work, also in Tier 2 seige works a treat. Don't get tricked into chasing if you don't have a fast army as the mechs will out range and damage you, go for a base where he has to engage you.
- You have to watch mech overcharge, you want to bait that out in an attack because often you can waste you best offensive leader power on this in reaction to an assault and it's just wasted
- Have a Nightengale on hold or cloking gen near your base as when he does the whole Pelican Drop on one of your bases sometimes he doesn't have detection (I don't see many wolves) and Nightengales have to fly over, this gives you time to get back or make a push yourself.
- But the biggest piece of advice with Johnson as with most leaders is pressure, his early game can be worked around and if apply consistant pressure it's hard to build that massive mech ball he is looking for .
Good Luck
Three words. Cloaking with huntersCONFUSE CHILD wrote:Are they Op as hell or am I missing something here
Three words. Colossus with jackrabbits.Evanescence426 wrote:Three words. Cloaking with huntersCONFUSE CHILD wrote:Are they Op as hell or am I missing something here
That wouldn’t work. Hunters are great against mechs and adding another vehicle wouldn’t matter much. If you make hunters with shrouds and engineers mechs get melted.Sir Slid wrote:Three words. Colossus with jackrabbits.Evanescence426 wrote:Three words. Cloaking with huntersCONFUSE CHILD wrote:Are they Op as hell or am I missing something here
Hunters lose to Colossus because Colossus out range them and if you get close to them you just stomp or overcharge, you also wouldn't build Jackrabbits that late (thats probably the best way to lose)Evanescence426 wrote:That wouldn’t work. Hunters are great against mechs and adding another vehicle wouldn’t matter much. If you make hunters with shrouds and engineers mechs get melted.Sir Slid wrote:Three words. Colossus with jackrabbits.Evanescence426 wrote:Three words. Cloaking with huntersCONFUSE CHILD wrote:Are they Op as hell or am I missing something here
and cloak sucks.
I don’t blame you for thinking cloak sucks because people don’t know how to use it correctly. When used right it can win games outright. Especially against Johnson because they never make cloak detection units in my experience. Hunters do beat colossus with shrouds because they block their shots and colossus can’t see cloak. I do main shipmaster so I can mass cloak and teleport or displace to close the gap between me and mechs. I’m sure you are right with other leaders but IMO shipmaster hard counters johnson with smart play. Especially when you stack the spirit drop and have multiple hunters with high veterancy == gameover for Johnson.UnKn0wNxPh0eNix wrote:Hunters lose to Colossus because Colossus out range them and if you get close to them you just stomp or overcharge, you also wouldn't build Jackrabbits that late (thats probably the best way to lose)Evanescence426 wrote:That wouldn’t work. Hunters are great against mechs and adding another vehicle wouldn’t matter much. If you make hunters with shrouds and engineers mechs get melted.Sir Slid wrote:Three words. Colossus with jackrabbits.Evanescence426 wrote:Three words. Cloaking with huntersCONFUSE CHILD wrote:Are they Op as hell or am I missing something here
and cloak sucks.
Johnson in general is a very trash leader, but Shippy doesn't hard counter Johnson at all once late game happens lol. Play my Johnson if you like to test it.Evanescence426 wrote:I don’t blame you for thinking cloak sucks because people don’t know how to use it correctly. When used right it can win games outright. Especially against Johnson because they never make cloak detection units in my experience. Hunters do beat colossus with shrouds because they block their shots and colossus can’t see cloak. I do main shipmaster so I can mass cloak and teleport or displace to close the gap between me and mechs. I’m sure you are right with other leaders but IMO shipmaster hard counters johnson with smart play. Especially when you stack the spirit drop and have multiple hunters with high veterancy == gameover for Johnson.UnKn0wNxPh0eNix wrote:Hunters lose to Colossus because Colossus out range them and if you get close to them you just stomp or overcharge, you also wouldn't build Jackrabbits that late (thats probably the best way to lose)Evanescence426 wrote:That wouldn’t work. Hunters are great against mechs and adding another vehicle wouldn’t matter much. If you make hunters with shrouds and engineers mechs get melted.Sir Slid wrote:Three words. Colossus with jackrabbits.Evanescence426 wrote:Three words. Cloaking with huntersCONFUSE CHILD wrote:Are they Op as hell or am I missing something here
and cloak sucks.
It depends on the player really. I’ll send you a friend request and we can go at it.UnKn0wNxPh0eNix wrote:Johnson in general is a very trash leader, but Shippy doesn't hard counter Johnson at all once late game happens lol. Play my Johnson if you like to test it.Evanescence426 wrote:I don’t blame you for thinking cloak sucks because people don’t know how to use it correctly. When used right it can win games outright. Especially against Johnson because they never make cloak detection units in my experience. Hunters do beat colossus with shrouds because they block their shots and colossus can’t see cloak. I do main shipmaster so I can mass cloak and teleport or displace to close the gap between me and mechs. I’m sure you are right with other leaders but IMO shipmaster hard counters johnson with smart play. Especially when you stack the spirit drop and have multiple hunters with high veterancy == gameover for Johnson.UnKn0wNxPh0eNix wrote:Hunters lose to Colossus because Colossus out range them and if you get close to them you just stomp or overcharge, you also wouldn't build Jackrabbits that late (thats probably the best way to lose)Evanescence426 wrote:That wouldn’t work. Hunters are great against mechs and adding another vehicle wouldn’t matter much. If you make hunters with shrouds and engineers mechs get melted.Sir Slid wrote:Three words. Colossus with jackrabbits.Evanescence426 wrote:Three words. Cloaking with huntersCONFUSE CHILD wrote:Are they Op as hell or am I missing something here
and cloak sucks.
Can I spectate? I wanna see this fragfest.Evanescence426 wrote:It depends on the player really. I’ll send you a friend request and we can go at it.UnKn0wNxPh0eNix wrote:Johnson in general is a very trash leader, but Shippy doesn't hard counter Johnson at all once late game happens lol. Play my Johnson if you like to test it.Evanescence426 wrote:I don’t blame you for thinking cloak sucks because people don’t know how to use it correctly. When used right it can win games outright. Especially against Johnson because they never make cloak detection units in my experience. Hunters do beat colossus with shrouds because they block their shots and colossus can’t see cloak. I do main shipmaster so I can mass cloak and teleport or displace to close the gap between me and mechs. I’m sure you are right with other leaders but IMO shipmaster hard counters johnson with smart play. Especially when you stack the spirit drop and have multiple hunters with high veterancy == gameover for Johnson.UnKn0wNxPh0eNix wrote:Hunters lose to Colossus because Colossus out range them and if you get close to them you just stomp or overcharge, you also wouldn't build Jackrabbits that late (thats probably the best way to lose)Evanescence426 wrote:That wouldn’t work. Hunters are great against mechs and adding another vehicle wouldn’t matter much. If you make hunters with shrouds and engineers mechs get melted.Sir Slid wrote:Three words. Colossus with jackrabbits.Evanescence426 wrote:Three words. Cloaking with huntersCONFUSE CHILD wrote:Are they Op as hell or am I missing something here
and cloak sucks.
Johnson's good if you know how to use him, same for most leaders. Just because you suck with him, doesn't mean he's bad.UnKn0wNxPh0eNix wrote:Johnson in general is a very trash leader, but Shippy doesn't hard counter Johnson at all once late game happens lol. Play my Johnson if you like to test it.Evanescence426 wrote:I don’t blame you for thinking cloak sucks because people don’t know how to use it correctly. When used right it can win games outright. Especially against Johnson because they never make cloak detection units in my experience. Hunters do beat colossus with shrouds because they block their shots and colossus can’t see cloak. I do main shipmaster so I can mass cloak and teleport or displace to close the gap between me and mechs. I’m sure you are right with other leaders but IMO shipmaster hard counters johnson with smart play. Especially when you stack the spirit drop and have multiple hunters with high veterancy == gameover for Johnson.UnKn0wNxPh0eNix wrote:Hunters lose to Colossus because Colossus out range them and if you get close to them you just stomp or overcharge, you also wouldn't build Jackrabbits that late (thats probably the best way to lose)Evanescence426 wrote:That wouldn’t work. Hunters are great against mechs and adding another vehicle wouldn’t matter much. If you make hunters with shrouds and engineers mechs get melted.Sir Slid wrote:Three words. Colossus with jackrabbits.Evanescence426 wrote:Three words. Cloaking with huntersCONFUSE CHILD wrote:Are they Op as hell or am I missing something here
and cloak sucks.
Any UNSC leader who doesn't use nightingales deserves to get their forces smashed by cloaked unitsEvanescence426 wrote:I don’t blame you for thinking cloak sucks because people don’t know how to use it correctly. When used right it can win games outright. Especially against Johnson because they never make cloak detection units in my experience. Hunters do beat colossus with shrouds because they block their shots and colossus can’t see cloak. I do main shipmaster so I can mass cloak and teleport or displace to close the gap between me and mechs. I’m sure you are right with other leaders but IMO shipmaster hard counters johnson with smart play. Especially when you stack the spirit drop and have multiple hunters with high veterancy == gameover for Johnson.UnKn0wNxPh0eNix wrote:Hunters lose to Colossus because Colossus out range them and if you get close to them you just stomp or overcharge, you also wouldn't build Jackrabbits that late (thats probably the best way to lose)Evanescence426 wrote:That wouldn’t work. Hunters are great against mechs and adding another vehicle wouldn’t matter much. If you make hunters with shrouds and engineers mechs get melted.Sir Slid wrote:Three words. Colossus with jackrabbits.Evanescence426 wrote:Three words. Cloaking with huntersCONFUSE CHILD wrote:Are they Op as hell or am I missing something here
and cloak sucks.
I'm a Johnson main and got him into champ lol, everyone in Champ will agree with me that he's a very bad leader unless he's T3. You don't even play against other players so you have no clue what you're even talking about.DrJewishPanda wrote:Johnson's good if you know how to use him, same for most leaders. Just because you suck with him, doesn't mean he's bad.UnKn0wNxPh0eNix wrote:Johnson in general is a very trash leader, but Shippy doesn't hard counter Johnson at all once late game happens lol. Play my Johnson if you like to test it.Evanescence426 wrote:I don’t blame you for thinking cloak sucks because people don’t know how to use it correctly. When used right it can win games outright. Especially against Johnson because they never make cloak detection units in my experience. Hunters do beat colossus with shrouds because they block their shots and colossus can’t see cloak. I do main shipmaster so I can mass cloak and teleport or displace to close the gap between me and mechs. I’m sure you are right with other leaders but IMO shipmaster hard counters johnson with smart play. Especially when you stack the spirit drop and have multiple hunters with high veterancy == gameover for Johnson.UnKn0wNxPh0eNix wrote:Hunters lose to Colossus because Colossus out range them and if you get close to them you just stomp or overcharge, you also wouldn't build Jackrabbits that late (thats probably the best way to lose)Evanescence426 wrote:That wouldn’t work. Hunters are great against mechs and adding another vehicle wouldn’t matter much. If you make hunters with shrouds and engineers mechs get melted.Sir Slid wrote:Three words. Colossus with jackrabbits.Evanescence426 wrote:Three words. Cloaking with huntersCONFUSE CHILD wrote:Are they Op as hell or am I missing something here
and cloak sucks.
UnKn0wNxPh0eNix wrote:I'm a Johnson main and got him into champ lol, everyone in Champ will agree with me that he's a very bad leader unless he's T3. You don't even play against other players so you have no clue what you're even talking aboutDrJewishPanda wrote:Johnson's good if you know how to use him, same for most leaders. Just because you suck with him, doesn't mean he's bad.UnKn0wNxPh0eNix wrote:Johnson in general is a very trash leader, but Shippy doesn't hard counter Johnson at all once late game happens lol. Play my Johnson if you like to test it.Evanescence426 wrote:I don’t blame you for thinking cloak sucks because people don’t know how to use it correctly. When used right it can win games outright. Especially against Johnson because they never make cloak detection units in my experience. Hunters do beat colossus with shrouds because they block their shots and colossus can’t see cloak. I do main shipmaster so I can mass cloak and teleport or displace to close the gap between me and mechs. I’m sure you are right with other leaders but IMO shipmaster hard counters johnson with smart play. Especially when you stack the spirit drop and have multiple hunters with high veterancy == gameover for Johnson.UnKn0wNxPh0eNix wrote:Hunters lose to Colossus because Colossus out range them and if you get close to them you just stomp or overcharge, you also wouldn't build Jackrabbits that late (thats probably the best way to lose)Evanescence426 wrote:That wouldn’t work. Hunters are great against mechs and adding another vehicle wouldn’t matter much. If you make hunters with shrouds and engineers mechs get melted.Sir Slid wrote:Three words. Colossus with jackrabbits.Evanescence426 wrote:Three words. Cloaking with huntersCONFUSE CHILD wrote:Are they Op as hell or am I missing something here
and cloak sucks.
Yes but once my reavers kill your knightngales what are you going to do?DrJewishPanda wrote:Any UNSC leader who doesn't use nightingales deserves to get their forces smashed by cloaked unitsEvanescence426 wrote:I don’t blame you for thinking cloak sucks because people don’t know how to use it correctly. When used right it can win games outright. Especially against Johnson because they never make cloak detection units in my experience. Hunters do beat colossus with shrouds because they block their shots and colossus can’t see cloak. I do main shipmaster so I can mass cloak and teleport or displace to close the gap between me and mechs. I’m sure you are right with other leaders but IMO shipmaster hard counters johnson with smart play. Especially when you stack the spirit drop and have multiple hunters with high veterancy == gameover for Johnson.UnKn0wNxPh0eNix wrote:Hunters lose to Colossus because Colossus out range them and if you get close to them you just stomp or overcharge, you also wouldn't build Jackrabbits that late (thats probably the best way to lose)Evanescence426 wrote:That wouldn’t work. Hunters are great against mechs and adding another vehicle wouldn’t matter much. If you make hunters with shrouds and engineers mechs get melted.Sir Slid wrote:Three words. Colossus with jackrabbits.Evanescence426 wrote:Three words. Cloaking with huntersCONFUSE CHILD wrote:Are they Op as hell or am I missing something here
and cloak sucks.
Yeah I have to agree with you Phoenix. I’ll go ahead and agree that your Johnson would best my shipmaster.Evanescence426 wrote:UnKn0wNxPh0eNix wrote:I'm a Johnson main and got him into champ lol, everyone in Champ will agree with me that he's a very bad leader unless he's T3. You don't even play against other players so you have no clue what you're even talking aboutDrJewishPanda wrote:Johnson's good if you know how to use him, same for most leaders. Just because you suck with him, doesn't mean he's bad.UnKn0wNxPh0eNix wrote:Johnson in general is a very trash leader, but Shippy doesn't hard counter Johnson at all once late game happens lol. Play my Johnson if you like to test it.Evanescence426 wrote:I don’t blame you for thinking cloak sucks because people don’t know how to use it correctly. When used right it can win games outright. Especially against Johnson because they never make cloak detection units in my experience. Hunters do beat colossus with shrouds because they block their shots and colossus can’t see cloak. I do main shipmaster so I can mass cloak and teleport or displace to close the gap between me and mechs. I’m sure you are right with other leaders but IMO shipmaster hard counters johnson with smart play. Especially when you stack the spirit drop and have multiple hunters with high veterancy == gameover for Johnson.UnKn0wNxPh0eNix wrote:Hunters lose to Colossus because Colossus out range them and if you get close to them you just stomp or overcharge, you also wouldn't build Jackrabbits that late (thats probably the best way to lose)Evanescence426 wrote:That wouldn’t work. Hunters are great against mechs and adding another vehicle wouldn’t matter much. If you make hunters with shrouds and engineers mechs get melted.Sir Slid wrote:Three words. Colossus with jackrabbits.Evanescence426 wrote:Three words. Cloaking with huntersCONFUSE CHILD wrote:Are they Op as hell or am I missing something here
and cloak sucks.
We didn't even get to play though :(Evanescence426 wrote:Yeah I have to agree with you Phoenix. I’ll go ahead and agree that your Johnson would best my shipmaster.Evanescence426 wrote:UnKn0wNxPh0eNix wrote:I'm a Johnson main and got him into champ lol, everyone in Champ will agree with me that he's a very bad leader unless he's T3. You don't even play against other players so you have no clue what you're even talking aboutDrJewishPanda wrote:Johnson's good if you know how to use him, same for most leaders. Just because you suck with him, doesn't mean he's bad.UnKn0wNxPh0eNix wrote:Johnson in general is a very trash leader, but Shippy doesn't hard counter Johnson at all once late game happens lol. Play my Johnson if you like to test it.Evanescence426 wrote:I don’t blame you for thinking cloak sucks because people don’t know how to use it correctly. When used right it can win games outright. Especially against Johnson because they never make cloak detection units in my experience. Hunters do beat colossus with shrouds because they block their shots and colossus can’t see cloak. I do main shipmaster so I can mass cloak and teleport or displace to close the gap between me and mechs. I’m sure you are right with other leaders but IMO shipmaster hard counters johnson with smart play. Especially when you stack the spirit drop and have multiple hunters with high veterancy == gameover for Johnson.UnKn0wNxPh0eNix wrote:Hunters lose to Colossus because Colossus out range them and if you get close to them you just stomp or overcharge, you also wouldn't build Jackrabbits that late (thats probably the best way to lose)Evanescence426 wrote:That wouldn’t work. Hunters are great against mechs and adding another vehicle wouldn’t matter much. If you make hunters with shrouds and engineers mechs get melted.Sir Slid wrote:Three words. Colossus with jackrabbits.Evanescence426 wrote:Three words. Cloaking with huntersCONFUSE CHILD wrote:Are they Op as hell or am I missing something here
and cloak sucks.
I’ll be on for a little bit tonight if you want to playUnKn0wNxPh0eNix wrote:We didn't even get to play though :(Evanescence426 wrote:Yeah I have to agree with you Phoenix. I’ll go ahead and agree that your Johnson would best my shipmaster.Evanescence426 wrote:UnKn0wNxPh0eNix wrote:I'm a Johnson main and got him into champ lol, everyone in Champ will agree with me that he's a very bad leader unless he's T3. You don't even play against other players so you have no clue what you're even talking aboutDrJewishPanda wrote:Johnson's good if you know how to use him, same for most leaders. Just because you suck with him, doesn't mean he's bad.UnKn0wNxPh0eNix wrote:Johnson in general is a very trash leader, but Shippy doesn't hard counter Johnson at all once late game happens lol. Play my Johnson if you like to test it.Evanescence426 wrote:I don’t blame you for thinking cloak sucks because people don’t know how to use it correctly. When used right it can win games outright. Especially against Johnson because they never make cloak detection units in my experience. Hunters do beat colossus with shrouds because they block their shots and colossus can’t see cloak. I do main shipmaster so I can mass cloak and teleport or displace to close the gap between me and mechs. I’m sure you are right with other leaders but IMO shipmaster hard counters johnson with smart play. Especially when you stack the spirit drop and have multiple hunters with high veterancy == gameover for Johnson.UnKn0wNxPh0eNix wrote:Hunters lose to Colossus because Colossus out range them and if you get close to them you just stomp or overcharge, you also wouldn't build Jackrabbits that late (thats probably the best way to lose)Evanescence426 wrote:That wouldn’t work. Hunters are great against mechs and adding another vehicle wouldn’t matter much. If you make hunters with shrouds and engineers mechs get melted.Sir Slid wrote:Three words. Colossus with jackrabbits.Evanescence426 wrote:Three words. Cloaking with huntersCONFUSE CHILD wrote:Are they Op as hell or am I missing something here
and cloak sucks.
Good for you, but your opinion means nothing to me :DUnKn0wNxPh0eNix wrote:I'm a Johnson main and got him into champ lol, everyone in Champ will agree with me that he's a very bad leader unless he's T3. You don't even play against other players so you have no clue what you're even talking about.DrJewishPanda wrote:Johnson's good if you know how to use him, same for most leaders. Just because you suck with him, doesn't mean he's bad.UnKn0wNxPh0eNix wrote:Johnson in general is a very trash leader, but Shippy doesn't hard counter Johnson at all once late game happens lol. Play my Johnson if you like to test it.Evanescence426 wrote:I don’t blame you for thinking cloak sucks because people don’t know how to use it correctly. When used right it can win games outright. Especially against Johnson because they never make cloak detection units in my experience. Hunters do beat colossus with shrouds because they block their shots and colossus can’t see cloak. I do main shipmaster so I can mass cloak and teleport or displace to close the gap between me and mechs. I’m sure you are right with other leaders but IMO shipmaster hard counters johnson with smart play. Especially when you stack the spirit drop and have multiple hunters with high veterancy == gameover for Johnson.UnKn0wNxPh0eNix wrote:Hunters lose to Colossus because Colossus out range them and if you get close to them you just stomp or overcharge, you also wouldn't build Jackrabbits that late (thats probably the best way to lose)Evanescence426 wrote:That wouldn’t work. Hunters are great against mechs and adding another vehicle wouldn’t matter much. If you make hunters with shrouds and engineers mechs get melted.Sir Slid wrote:Three words. Colossus with jackrabbits.Evanescence426 wrote:Three words. Cloaking with huntersCONFUSE CHILD wrote:Are they Op as hell or am I missing something here
and cloak sucks.
Kill your reavers before sending in my nightingalesEvanescence426 wrote:Yes but once my reavers kill your knightngales what are you going to do?DrJewishPanda wrote:Any UNSC leader who doesn't use nightingales deserves to get their forces smashed by cloaked unitsEvanescence426 wrote:I don’t blame you for thinking cloak sucks because people don’t know how to use it correctly. When used right it can win games outright. Especially against Johnson because they never make cloak detection units in my experience. Hunters do beat colossus with shrouds because they block their shots and colossus can’t see cloak. I do main shipmaster so I can mass cloak and teleport or displace to close the gap between me and mechs. I’m sure you are right with other leaders but IMO shipmaster hard counters johnson with smart play. Especially when you stack the spirit drop and have multiple hunters with high veterancy == gameover for Johnson.UnKn0wNxPh0eNix wrote:Hunters lose to Colossus because Colossus out range them and if you get close to them you just stomp or overcharge, you also wouldn't build Jackrabbits that late (thats probably the best way to lose)Evanescence426 wrote:That wouldn’t work. Hunters are great against mechs and adding another vehicle wouldn’t matter much. If you make hunters with shrouds and engineers mechs get melted.Sir Slid wrote:Three words. Colossus with jackrabbits.Evanescence426 wrote:Three words. Cloaking with huntersCONFUSE CHILD wrote:Are they Op as hell or am I missing something here
and cloak sucks.