Mate you just arent understanding. As ive already stated, the br is not a super weapon. The pistol and even assault rifle goes up against it fine. And the point about how you cant go get a br everytime you spawn, that point remains valid for every weapon.I'm not going to get into an essay based debate because it seems that I couldn't convince you so I'll boil it down to basics and then be on my way.Wicked is OP wrote:Bring the BR back!You seem to be the fellow with the misconception my friend. We totally understand that the pistol is your default weapon. What we are saying is that we basically dont want to be forced to use it just because its your default weapon.I can explain this because there seems to be a major misconception and circle jerk developing regarding BRs on Arena maps so let me elaborate.McValuFry wrote:What?? I don't understand this response. I think I visit the Halo forums about once every 3 years and the only reason I logged back on today was to say:
- BR Removal: Amazing
PUT THE BR BACK!!!
Is there really a ton of people that hate the BR as much as Aboveinfinity? I'm kind of mind blown that people would hate the BR
The Utility Weapon (Magnum) is supposed to be the definitive go-to weapon in an Arena shooter, a player should always be able to trust that they can competently engage other players using their utility and not be at a significant disadvantage. In the Vanilla Halo 5 maps, there were A LOT of Tier 1 Weapons (SMGs, DMRs, Light Rifles, BRs, Storm Rifles, etc.) and because of this, the utility weapon was rarely used.
By picking up a BR on a map, you automatically received a very powerful upgrade that puts you at an advantage against people who are spawning and trying to fight with their Magnum. This created a lot of lopsided gunfights (BR vs. Magnum, SMG vs. Magnum, Storm Rifle vs. Magnum). The utility rarely could stand a chance. By cutting down on the amount of Tier 1 Weapons (removing BRs in some cases), it promotes the utility weapon which is a more skill oriented weapon and leaves people on a more level playing field.
Now that isn't to say that the BR should just be removed entirely, that isn't what we want. Weapons like the DMR and BR do serve a purpose in the sandbox, and that is to provide a boost to range and/or a slight boost to damage. For example, Snipedown from Evil Geniuses is an 'anchor' or a 'sniper' style of Slayer, he has great positioning and therefore often uses weapons like the DMR to help his teammates out at range. But on Coliseum, the BRs don't support this role, they are simply clutter that cause randomness and inconsistency in gunfights.
An example of a perfect placement of the BR is P2, where you can use it to go P3 and get a slight boost to range and damage by using the weapon. It's a small upgrade for earning control of the Pink Tower. BRs still exist on Tyrant, Plaza, Rig, Truth, Eden, and more. It isn't like they are outlawing them entirely.
They simply are cutting down on the clutter that existed in certain maps and promoting use of the Pistol and other niche weapons.
Hope this makes sense!
If you dont want to be at a disadvantage with the pistol, then find a different weapon. The whole point of this is to have options. Thats like saying "the sniper puts the pistol at a disadvantage, take it out." If you dont want to be at a disadvantage from a BR, THEN PICK UP A BR!
I know I dont speak for everybody, but I for one do not want to be forced to use the pistol just so I can get precision headshots. You act like a BR is a power weapon but its not. Its just a solid precision weapon.
You say the BR just adds clutter, I say the boltshot they replaced it with adds clutter and doesnt go with the flow of the map. This is arena. Arena/ranked playlists always has been and should continue to be about precision weapons such as the LR, the Carbine, the BR, and the DMR.
If you dont want to go up against these weapons then you probably belong in social slayer. Arena is the only form of a "BR/DMR Start" that we have. If you are going to ruin Arena by removing the weapons that serious/competitive players consider to be the bread and butter of halo, then at least give us our own playlist with BR or DMR starts.
- It isn't as simple as "just go pick up a BR". At the highest level of skill, Halo 5 is an extremely fast paced game that demands players to be constantly applying pressure and moving with their teammates. If you get a Red Elbow spawn and your teammates are ready to move in for a Flag/Bomb push, you can't say "wait guys let me go pick up my BR so I can actually stand a chance against other enemies". The game requires players to constantly put damage on opponents and be able to win gunfights at all times. At the lower level of play, I agree, it is quite simple to just pick up your weapon of choice but the game needs to be refined to a tee at the highest echelon of skill before it can observed at a lower level.
- The misconception with the Boltshot is the illusion that "the gun is easy because it aims for you". The Boltshot is a precision weapon just like any other, the only nuance is that it doesn't require headshots. As a tradeoff for this bonus, it utilizes extremely slow moving projectiles that can bump into geometry or miss players entirely if they thrust or dodge them. The Boltshot is not a "noob" weapon, it requires a different level of thinking than other weapons and the tracking projectiles confuse people into believing it is extremely user-friendly. Plus, they aren't even that strong so they don't detract from the importance of Utility Weapon gunfights that I stressed in my post.
- You're looking at the sandbox in a very linear way. I too believe that the sandbox is very balanced and that all of the rifles and automatics serve very satisfying roles, but that doesn't mean that they should all be shoved on every map. Map layouts and sandbox balance go hand in hand and the selection and placement of weapon locations must be carefully chosen.
- And finally, when you are referring to Arena being for competitive hardcore Halo action, I'm well aware of that. I've reached low-mid level Onyx ranks each season and enjoy the game a lot as it is, but I've always felt that changes needed to be made regarding the frequency of weapons on Arena maps, and it appears the dev team agreed with those concepts.
But if you think the br is the only way to beat a br and dont want to spawn and go up against it, then maybe try being the person who makes the OTHER guy have to spawn, mate. The BR is what alot of players consider to be the bread and butter of halo, it goes well on every map.
Now lets get to your logic about the boltshot or imo, your lack therof. You seem to think ppl are saying the boltshit is a noon weapon based on pure speculation. No mate, when I say its a noob weapon its becausr I have picked it up and used it. It does not take skill to use. Yeah players can thrust away from it, but they can thrust away from pretty much every non power weapon. That doesnt mean it takes skill to use.