[Locked] Matchmaking Feedback Update – April 16

snickerdoodle wrote:

ZaedynFel wrote:

UPDATE: Trueskill2 is live in Super Fiesta.

Out of sheer idle curiosity, how does TS2 work in a playlist that's predicated almost on pure randomness?

Or is it one of those, "Good players will do good with most weapons so it doesn't matter" kind of things?

It’s actually still predictable

KingFizzyB wrote:

Kinda crazy how the last 7 games someone on my team has quit😂 needs to be fixed!!

If that was something they could just go and fix, they would have done so a long time ago

Have the quit rates dropped in the Quickplay playlist since introducing TS2 or is it roughly the same?

I hope this TS2 system works out. I'm gonna have a hard time staying in the search lobby to see if this works instead of quitting the build when I match up against a party.

LUKEPOWA wrote:

Have the quit rates dropped in the Quickplay playlist since introducing TS2 or is it roughly the same?

I hope this TS2 system works out. I'm gonna have a hard time staying in the search lobby to see if this works instead of quitting the build when I match up against a party.

There are no parties in Quick Play larger than 2 players.

In other lists, parties will have their skill inflated to the level that accurately predicts their win%. So parties that win a lot will have much higher skill ratings than the individuals alone.

ZaedynFel wrote:

Exenius wrote:

ZaedynFel wrote:

UPDATE: Trueskill2 is now live in all Social and Warzone hoppers.

Kind of a odd question, but does this apply to Firefight as well? If so how does that work since the vast majority of matches end in victory and there is only one team.

It does not apply to firefight.

I may be misremembering it, but it was my understanding that firefight had no skills. Is that correct?

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ZaedynFel wrote:

radar3301enigma wrote:

ZaedynFel wrote:

Exenius wrote:

ZaedynFel wrote:

UPDATE: Trueskill2 is now live in all Social and Warzone hoppers.

Kind of a odd question, but does this apply to Firefight as well? If so how does that work since the vast majority of matches end in victory and there is only one team.

It does not apply to firefight.

I may be misremembering it, but it was my understanding that firefight had no skills. Is that correct?

I think so, I'd have to double check. It may have placeholder ones, but they're ignored / meaningless. Makes the code simpler to not have explicit exceptions if they're not needed.

Is it possible that the SBMing that exists in the matchmaker can be re-tuned to simply prioritize game experience (aka Spartan Rank) over Skill measurements?

ZaedynFel wrote:

eLantern wrote:

ZaedynFel wrote:

radar3301enigma wrote:

ZaedynFel wrote:

Exenius wrote:

ZaedynFel wrote:

UPDATE: Trueskill2 is now live in all Social and Warzone hoppers.

Kind of a odd question, but does this apply to Firefight as well? If so how does that work since the vast majority of matches end in victory and there is only one team.

It does not apply to firefight.

I may be misremembering it, but it was my understanding that firefight had no skills. Is that correct?

I think so, I'd have to double check. It may have placeholder ones, but they're ignored / meaningless. Makes the code simpler to not have explicit exceptions if they're not needed.

Is it possible that the SBMing that exists in the matchmaker can be re-tuned to simply prioritize game experience (aka Spartan Rank) over Skill measurements?

You mean in the Firefight lists?

Yes.

eLantern wrote:

Is it possible that the SBMing that exists in the matchmaker can be re-tuned to simply prioritize game experience (aka Spartan Rank) over Skill measurements?

Even if it was possible, I don't think it would be a good idea to try to match firefight players with other players around their own SR, because then new players would never win and higher ranked players would easily win 100% of the time (I'm not necessarily assuming you thought it was a good idea. You may have been asking out of pure curiosity. I just felt the need to point that out). If anything, it would have to do the opposite of what it does in PvP, and try to make teams with the widest possible difference of high and low ranked players. Warzone Firefight currently has a lot of problems but I don't think the matchmaking is really one of them, or at least a big one.

Nate00000000000 wrote:

eLantern wrote:

Is it possible that the SBMing that exists in the matchmaker can be re-tuned to simply prioritize game experience (aka Spartan Rank) over Skill measurements?

Even if it was possible, I don't think it would be a good idea to try to match firefight players with other players around their own SR, because then new players would never win and higher ranked players would easily win 100% of the time (I'm not necessarily assuming you thought it was a good idea. You may have been asking out of pure curiosity. I just felt the need to point that out). If anything, it would have to do the opposite of what it does in PvP, and try to make teams with the widest possible difference of high and low ranked players. Warzone Firefight currently has a lot of problems but I don't think the matchmaking is really one of them, or at least a big one.

Actually I was thinking it could look to diversify the team as much as possible in Heroic (a good mix of highly experienced players, middle, and low), look to pair very highly experience players with low in Legendary while looking to group the middle. I assume Mythic is mostly made up of middle and highly experienced players.

Another thought went past simply a players total Spartan Rank as a measurement of experience, but perhaps an invisible measurement of playlist experience too which I assumed is tracked by the SBMMing system. That could also have some influence in WZFF if it was allowed to.