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OP ZaedynFel

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What I want to know is when is 343i going to fix Halo 5 for Custom Games and Forge? The community has been waiting for an update that gets rid of the game crashing and freezing since May of last year. It makes no since to keep updating matchmaking and changing the weapons but not to fix the bugs in the game. Anybody that plays custom games for more then a hour knows what I’m talking about. Like last Friday I'm playing the game and it crashed on me 15 times and froze on me over 40 times in less the 3 hours which is outrages and extremely annoying.
ZaedynFel wrote:
so for the past two weeks matchmaking has been very different. It seems that a majority of the matches were heavily uneven. This post is about the system's inability to find "fair games" and whether anything is being done to fix it. I am going to define "fair" as a game that consists of similarly ranked players on both red and blue team. i.e. team blue: 4 diamonds & team red : 4 diamonds.

Before I continue let me share some information: I am currently a diamond 4, I have my search preference set to Balanced, and I solo queue (yes I understand it is disadvantageous to solo queue when playing team matches but thats besides the point).

I have matched against champion level players in a lot of my recent games (but i havnt matched with champions). I'm not disgruntled that I am playing against champion level players... What bothers me is the fact that I wasnt matched with the same caliber of player on my team.

Here are some examples from the last two weeks (im on the losing side for all of these matches):

three champions and one onyx vs. three diamonds and one onyx... score 50-21
https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-ca/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/mode/arena/matches/318b81f8-f94d-4822-8dd0-b57d3a2757d2/players/pablo%20says%20hi?gameHistoryMatchIndex=18&gameHistoryGameModeFilter=All

two champions, one onyx, and one unranked vs. one diamond and three unranked... score 50-21
https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-ca/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/mode/arena/matches/0fd32e66-bbdd-4571-b759-4ddf5ddecd46/players/pablo%20says%20hi?gameHistoryMatchIndex=42&gameHistoryGameModeFilter=All

two champions, one onyx, and one unranked vs. a diamond, a platinum....., and two unranked... score 50-22
https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-ca/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/mode/arena/matches/c8442167-e9c3-42e9-8728-4ab313763614/players/pablo%20says%20hi?gameHistoryMatchIndex=43&gameHistoryGameModeFilter=All

two champions, an onyx, and one unranked vs. one onyx, and three diamonds... score 50-21
https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-ca/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/mode/arena/matches/3fcb5711-0697-469b-acb1-8c8624312f67/players/pablo%20says%20hi?gameHistoryMatchIndex=72&gameHistoryGameModeFilter=All

three onyx, and one champion vs. four diamonds... score 50-30
https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-ca/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/mode/arena/matches/7e6530e8-b0f2-4bf1-8bc3-be030f4fd2cb/players/pablo%20says%20hi?gameHistoryMatchIndex=75&gameHistoryGameModeFilter=All

two champions, one onyx, and one diamond vs. one onyx, and three diamonds... score 50-20
https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-ca/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/mode/arena/matches/8278575f-670f-409d-bddd-8b85c9c4a1e5/players/pablo%20says%20hi?gameHistoryMatchIndex=79&gameHistoryGameModeFilter=All

two champions, one onyx, and one diamond vs. one onyx, two diamonds, and one unranked... score 50-26
https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-ca/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/mode/arena/matches/e87dc578-037d-4afd-88cf-59de2a7dec6b/players/pablo%20says%20hi?gameHistoryMatchIndex=120&gameHistoryGameModeFilter=All

one champion, two diamonds, and an unranked vs. two diamonds, and two unranked... score 50-35
https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-ca/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/mode/arena/matches/54d3a1fd-d268-4e6a-857a-200dfe15daf4/players/pablo%20says%20hi?gameHistoryMatchIndex=170&gameHistoryGameModeFilter=All

Whats weird is that I had a 52% win percentage, in slayer specifically, and I've dropped down to 43.0% in less than one month. I always solo queue so it's not like anyone was previously carrying me...I just want to know what has changed or what will change...

thanks,

pablo
Reason you don't have Champs on your team: You're playing against parties so it can't split the Champs up.

Reason you're playing Champs: MMR is truncated at 3.0 in Slayer because very few players are above that skill level, so the Matchmaker sees Champs as being well within tolerance for Diamond.

If you ever played Halo 3, this is the same as a party of 50s matching some 40s. Not ideal, but happened.

EDIT: If you search Focused and match before 150s, you also won't face full parties.
okay cool i will try focused instead.

thank you ZaedynFel I appreciate the follow up.

Pablo
ZaedynFel wrote:
TrueSkill2
Given TrueSkill2’s ability to determine skill rapidly, will you reduce the number of placement matches in ranked playlists?
We've thought about it, but we're not planning to at this point. The UI elements that display the # of placement matches were tuned with 10 in mind, which makes changing it a bit confusing without new art.
D M4N8 wrote:
How is it that Team Arena has a higher population than HCS and I keep on matching up against the same people over and over- which by the way are CHAMPIONS?
That is also happening quite often in HCS.
What I want to know is when is 343i going to fix Halo 5 for Custom Games and Forge? The community has been waiting for an update that gets rid of the game crashing and freezing since May of last year. It makes no since to keep updating matchmaking and changing the weapons but not to fix the bugs in the game. Anybody that plays custom games for more then a hour knows what I’m talking about. Like last Friday I'm playing the game and it crashed on me 15 times and froze on me over 40 times in less the 3 hours which is outrages and extremely annoying.
The reason it makes sense is because the folks needed to track down these issues are completely different than the folks who are updating matchmaking and changing weapons. If we can get folks to help us on any of those issues, we take the help as it comes. I see no reason to refuse help with the matchmaking system just because the forge folks are busy on something else.

So it does make sense once you peak inside game development a bit.

But keep in mind the priority for a lot of these folks is not delaying the next title, so I'm happy with the fixes and improvements we can get.
ZaedynFel wrote:
ZaedynFel wrote:
TrueSkill2
Given TrueSkill2’s ability to determine skill rapidly, will you reduce the number of placement matches in ranked playlists?
We've thought about it, but we're not planning to at this point. The UI elements that display the # of placement matches were tuned with 10 in mind, which makes changing it a bit confusing without new art.
The fact that you guys gave it thought and it's still under consideration is fantastic news to me. I do hope that you guys decide to incorporate it eventually.
BadDogg55 wrote:
Josh... A little off subject, but will TrueSkill2 be added to the MCC update?
I think it's on their radar, but probably not part of planning at this point. It would be a significant amount of work.
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