MMR has always been what the system uses to matchmake. As eLantern told you when you first asked this question, MMR is essentially the same thing as TrueSkill that was used in Halo 2 and Halo 3 matchmaking. As such, the system of showing CSR but hiding MMR will probably not change for Halo 5.I am chill. If i were being hostile, trust me, you'd know it. You're the one all over the place on this thread. Trying to take it over. I do appreciate it, though, but to rephrase myself, here i go again. Maybe this time I will hopefully be much more clear:radar3301enigma wrote:Chill out man, there's no need to be hostile. I don't see how your questions weren't answered. You claim that they arent, yet they have been. There are a lot of knowledgeable people around here that can provide answers who are not 343 employees or moderators. I never claimed to be any one of those.radar3301enigma wrote:You had 3 items/sentences in your post.Right or wrong. Nothing what I was asking got answered... but thanks for dropping some knowledge.eLantern wrote:I believe MMR has always been in use or involved in Halo's Matchmaking since the development of Microsoft's TrueSkill system which dates back to 2005. Josh can correct me if I'm wrong.
With MMR now being used, will the system be switched over somehow or will we at least be able to check what our MMR is that way we won't feel cheated somehow?
Also, I know I'm probably like two years ahead of myself, but will MMR or a similar system be used for the next Halo franchise game?
1. You were told MMR has always been used.
2. Not applicable, due to the response in #1.
3. Why would Microsoft change now? To do so would cost a significant allocation of resources (i.e. money). So yes, they will use it in future franchise games.
All your questions got answered.
If you didn't like the answers you were given, or didn't understand them, perhaps it would be wise to rephrase your question and approach it from a different direction, rather than attacking the people who are trying to help you.
With MMR now being used instead of CSR, will the system show our MMR instead of our CSR that way we won't feel cheated somehow if for example like you stated we get a Gold v. Diamond match?
When will these changes take effect? I didn't see a time or date?
Also, I know I'm probably like two years ahead of myself, but will an MMR only system or a similar system be used for the next Halo franchise game seeing as how the current CSR system can be misleading in true-skill when matching up players/teams?
Edit: just for the sake of clarity, I'm talking about Ranked only, not Social or Warzone. I'm not sure if it makes a difference, though.
As for your second question, radar3301enigma was right: because MMR is already being used to determine matchmaking, there is no date when changes will take effect; MMR is already being used and has been since Halo 5 launched, so there are no changes to apply.
For your last question: Josh knows people are confused about the distinction between hidden MMR and visible CSR but has given no indication that they will will change things to make MMR visible in Halo 5 or future Halo games. At this point, it would be unlikely that MMR would be made the visible rank in Halo 5; for Halo 6, I suppose anything is possible. The most appropriate question you should have for Josh, I think, is why they use CSR as visible rank but use hidden MMR to determine who you match with.
On another note: if you feel someone was being non-constructive, the appropriate thing to do is report the post. Replying to someone and telling them they are not qualified to respond to you because they aren't 343i or a moderator is--in itself--not constructive, and also just plain wrong. Plenty of people have been following Josh's feedback threads since he returned, so they may have the knowledge to answer a question you may have just as correctly as Josh would. If someone replies and doesn't satisfactorily answer your question, just reply back and say something like "no, that's not what I meant. This is the information I want answered..." or something similar. Don't attack the credibility of another user; the last thing we want is to derail this thread.