[Locked] Matchmaking Feedback Update – May 21

• You don't beat a team you were supposed to beat.
• Your CSR is inflated and you lost to a team who was supposed to beat you.

• Beating teams you were supposed to beat.

Chimera30 wrote:

Aro wrote:

Chimera30 wrote:

AhaloAskewed wrote:

As it is right now, we see csr inflation. Instead of grinding upwards in rank, we are seeing players going downwards. What you believe to remedy the inflation (even though it is) ends up discouraging players from even getting on halo altogether.

Players not going up but going down in CSR have inflated CSRs, meaning their CSRs are not accurate representations of their skills. So if they don't want to get on, it means they'd rather keep their fake skill over their true skill, because it makes them seem better than they are to everyone else. So what you're saying is that people care more about how other players think of them than actually playing the game itself.

Give people a system where everyone can get the rank they want and they complain it's meaningless. Give them a system that shows their true skill and they complain because they hate to be told they're not as good as they'd hoped they are. It's a lose-lose scenario.

Well, what about all of the other players who are high-level players and their ranks actually do accurately represent their skills but now with this new system we can't even play because of the one csr gain after every win? I literally ran into two High Onyx and Champ teams last night and we all agreed on one thing. There's no point in grinding the game right now because we gain nothing out of it. Currently, I am an Onyx 1828 in Slayer and I can't even grind for champ anymore because the new system believes I am not a good enough player to hold the rank... If I am beating some of the top guys in the playlists, and your system apparently thinks that their ranks don't accurately represent them either who am I suppose to beat to prove that my rank is accurate? This new system is only hurting the population even more.

If you're a high-tier player and only gaining 1 CSR per win, it could means one of two things:

1. Your CSR isn't actually an accurate reflection of your skill after all.
2. You won a match against weaker enemies, so since you were expected to win you didn't really show that you increased in skill.

Again, the change rolled out only affects people with inflated CSRs, so if you're affected, it means your CSR is too high. It may be a hard pill to swallow, but ask yourself what you want from a ranking system: something that accurately represents your skill, or something that just makes you look good to other people?

You say you consistently beat the top people in the playlist, but if they also have inflated CSR then they aren't really the top players. And if they do happen to be the top players, then what would happen behind the scenes is that your MMR will go up every time you win, even if your CSR doesn't. So when you MMR catches up, you'll start gaining more CSR again if you keep winning.

badmashbhangi wrote:

A NEW PROBLEM: for the past few days I have not advanced in CSR rank, only decreased, which is not unusual until you realize that my rank only changes when I lose. When I win (60+ % winning by the way in slayer) my CSR does NOT change. When I lose it decreases in its typical, now comical, amount. BUT THERE IS MORE. As far as I know, this is occurring only to me, which leads me down a different road of dispair.

badmashbhangi wrote:

On a different note, 343 / Microsoft should consider not being so gullible when accepting criticism from the typical, less-than-analytical, YouTube pop personality. It's like listening to the baby that cries the most. Nor should they be head-over-heels for the great pro to rule them all. It's like implementing a suggestion to raise the basketball hoop height from the tallest of basketball players - it is most likely to help the tallest players. Instead, seek out people that are not "yes-men" and have jobs and can't spend time rehearsing what they will say on YouTube, which is usually simple reactionary criticism or unnecessary extolling.

Chimera30 wrote:

DaintyPup33668 wrote:

A couple quick questions for you Josh:
1. Do I deserve to be a champion in Doubles?
2. Furthermore, what is the point of me playing the game when I win 1 game and only go up 1 CSR? When I lose 1 game I go down 15 CSR?

I am playing to just get demoted... Ruins the game for me. Essentially it is a backward grind. I personally believe you guys should have done another rank reset with the release of the divergence of CSR and MMR. Sadly my time towards Halo will decrease because why would I play if I am going to grind just to go backward?
Thanks for your input/time.

On the matter of question 2: The point, aside from playing for the sake of playing, is to have your public rank be an accurate reflection of your skill. If you don't go up when you win but do go down when you lose, it means your CSR is too high. So while you may like that because it makes you seem better, it's not really true. So it comes down to what you want out of your CSR: for it to be accurate or for it to be inflated. If your biggest concern is having as high a CSR as possible to impress others, then by all means, stop playing now. Your CSR this season will not go up until your MMR and CSR match. Next season things will start off corrected, so your CSR next season should never get inflated, which means next season you can expect it not to be as high as it is now anyway. If you like playing the game and want your CSR to correctly reflect your skill, then keep playing this season; eventually your CSR will match your MMR, and you'll know when you start gaining normal amounts of CSR for wins again.

They considered ending the season but decided it was too early in the season to do so. So they opted for this forcible CSR correction instead to stop the inflation from getting worse.

LI Mr Freeze I wrote:

I would like to see the previous ranking system re-implemented. In my opinion , it was a much better system. The current system makes winning seems futile with going up 1 CSR for a win , and dropping 15 for a loss . I have an MLG player on my friend list who also is stuck in this situation I’ve noticed he only goes up 1 point for a win as well in slayer as an upper level onyx player . If he’s not good enough to hold rank, then who is ?
i would like you to please consider changing back to the old ranking system it was such a good system and made grinding and playing halo 5 enjoyable .

The problem with the ranks from the old system is that for some people, they were wrong (either too high or too low). In your friend's case, his public rank is too high compared to his true skill. So if you like for people to have ranks that don't accurately represent their skill, then go ahead and continue to call for a return to the previous system.

Ever consider the idea that how good you feel you or your friend are may not be as good as you actually are? If your friend is only gaining +1 CSR for a win in slayer where his rank is high Onyx, then that means his true skill is not high Onyx. Just because he's "MLG" doesn't mean he's automatically a high Onyx player.

radar3301enigma wrote:

Dead End 24 wrote:

To me, now that I know this, I feel like I need to change my play style. For example my one friend is much better with the sniper than I am and generally I give it to him if I get it because he's better with it and the chances of us getting more kills goes up (which ultimately gives us a better chance to win) and when he has it I generally watch his back and/or sides so he can focus on sniping and I try to finish players off. If you looked at a lot of my games where he's doing this I am almost consistently always last on the team in every stat (mainly because a lot of players won't do it and it can be a boring roll) but lots of the time my team wins because of what I'm doing. If I didn't do that he couldn't snipe as much as he does. Now I feel like I shouldn't bother doing this because it's just hurting me personally and personal stats seem to matter now almost as much as the wins and losses. Again, If this was more widely known I wonder how many other people would consider doing the same and or be pissed off about this.

Because I'm curious, who is this friend?