[Locked] MATCHMAKING FEEDBACK UPDATE – November 5

ZaedynFel wrote:

II DrathNor II wrote:

https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/mode/arena/matches/917a3e4a-8db1-4df8-9493-80421de5a4ed/players/ii%20drathnor%20ii?gameHistoryMatchIndex=21&gameHistoryGameModeFilter=ArenaIt

We changed it back to similar to what it was pre-TrueSkill2.

Now you get the average of all of the possible 1v1 updates. So second place will lose points if the gains from the players they beat are less than the loss from losing to #1.

MaxXimus K573 wrote:

Hello, Mod said to post here, I think, directions are never usefully clear. tl;dr I am wondering how I can SMASH at games but more often than not a win is only a sliver of progress while a loss is at least half a rank loss. Is there something I'm missing? God-level MMR? Bots? Glitch? Conspiracy? I must know the answer to act accordingly, or to bring attention to a fix. Here are links to a lot of my games over the past few days. Thank you.

https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/mode/arena/matches/0853ac69-1e07-4709-889f-e0a745a29f89/players/maxximus%20k573?gameHistoryMatchIndex=0&gameHistoryGameModeFilter=Arena

https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/mode/arena/matches/1e2fa395-377a-4165-a74d-814752f331f9/players/maxximus%20k573?gameHistoryMatchIndex=5&gameHistoryGameModeFilter=Arena

https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/mode/arena/matches/2124eb61-e8bd-4b93-b42b-02fe98490bb0/players/maxximus%20k573?gameHistoryMatchIndex=7&gameHistoryGameModeFilter=Arena

https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/mode/arena/matches/7735b6e3-5375-402b-84f2-c6c37159d7ed/players/maxximus%20k573?gameHistoryMatchIndex=6&gameHistoryGameModeFilter=Arena

https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/mode/arena/matches/f8ee544e-d737-49a9-b595-87da6dff7b15/players/maxximus%20k573?gameHistoryMatchIndex=8&gameHistoryGameModeFilter=Arena

https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/mode/arena/matches/7058bde3-da3d-48a1-be8c-efaf193e6831/players/maxximus%20k573?gameHistoryMatchIndex=18&gameHistoryGameModeFilter=Arena

https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/mode/arena/matches/0853ac69-1e07-4709-889f-e0a745a29f89/players/maxximus%20k573?gameHistoryMatchIndex=19&gameHistoryGameModeFilter=Arena

Other Forum Posts with more links if older info is needed.
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https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/forums/e0d9938206f04a598ce84f2c8cadce02/topics/inquiry-about-strange-potentialy-glitched-ranking/44d3a5aa-b8b7-4c37-bee9-52763c8ac534/posts?page=1

https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/forums/58b8518e005f432381ab99fbcaf931e0/topics/ranked-system-is-a-landfill-of-trash/9d53d98e-3467-494b-aa2f-55992047548b/posts?page=1if

Comedic Hermit wrote:

munk07 wrote:

LUKEPOWA wrote:

Please refrain from posting multiple times in a row. You can edit your posts to add information and respond to more than one person in a single post. I'd also recommend you attempt to be more constructive in the future.

Comedic Hermit wrote:

munk07 wrote:

Comedic Hermit wrote:

munk07 wrote:

LUKEPOWA wrote:

Please refrain from posting multiple times in a row. You can edit your posts to add information and respond to more than one person in a single post. I'd also recommend you attempt to be more constructive in the future.

Sorry that negative feedback, and paragraphs not listed under bullet points are inconstructive for you.
Maybe this website should have subposts like most sites that prevents forums looking like "multiple posts". I read the main subject matter and commented, then soon after replied/quoted someone.

I recommend making this website more constructive in the future.

I'm not going to argue with you. You'll need to be constructive and not spam if you want to stick around.

munk07 wrote:

Comedic Hermit wrote:

munk07 wrote:

Comedic Hermit wrote:

munk07 wrote:

LUKEPOWA wrote:

Please refrain from posting multiple times in a row. You can edit your posts to add information and respond to more than one person in a single post. I'd also recommend you attempt to be more constructive in the future.

Sorry that negative feedback, and paragraphs not listed under bullet points are inconstructive for you.
Maybe this website should have subposts like most sites that prevents forums looking like "multiple posts". I read the main subject matter and commented, then soon after replied/quoted someone.

I recommend making this website more constructive in the future.

I'm not going to argue with you. You'll need to be constructive and not spam if you want to stick around.

Stick around? Thanks buddy. Im not stuck to this like a plasma grenade.

Afro Thunda X wrote:

Zedfu wrote:

ZaedynFel wrote:

iTs Heavies wrote:

ZaedynFel wrote:

Big Team BattleFor a long period of time BTB was a solid social playlist and in fact the minimum popularity bar we used to judge whether a list should stay permanent. Lately, however, it has become near impossible to find matches for around half the day. It appears the bulk of players needed to maintain a healthy list now prefer the Super Fiesta variant, leaving only classic BTB enthusiasts still engaged in the original BTB playlist. We feel it would be more beneficial to those who love BTB to be able to have a good experience with it rather than waiting 5 minutes without a match.

Our current plans with BTB are as follows:

• Monitor it as we enter the holiday season. If holiday traffic is enough to keep it alive, we’ll leave it up and reconsider its future in January
• Begin work on a refresh. If BTB can hang on long enough, we will see how well it does after a refresh before moving it to a rotational
• If these both fail, then BTB shouldn’t be an exception given how much better every other list has done as a rotational when it starts behaving this way.

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iTs Heavies wrote:

ZaedynFel wrote:

Big Team BattleFor a long period of time BTB was a solid social playlist and in fact the minimum popularity bar we used to judge whether a list should stay permanent. Lately, however, it has become near impossible to find matches for around half the day. It appears the bulk of players needed to maintain a healthy list now prefer the Super Fiesta variant, leaving only classic BTB enthusiasts still engaged in the original BTB playlist. We feel it would be more beneficial to those who love BTB to be able to have a good experience with it rather than waiting 5 minutes without a match.

Our current plans with BTB are as follows:

• Monitor it as we enter the holiday season. If holiday traffic is enough to keep it alive, we’ll leave it up and reconsider its future in January
• Begin work on a refresh. If BTB can hang on long enough, we will see how well it does after a refresh before moving it to a rotational
• If these both fail, then BTB shouldn’t be an exception given how much better every other list has done as a rotational when it starts behaving this way.

The population of BTB is low because of a couple of factors which all stem from changes that you guys (343) made starting last year including

1. MMR based matching in a social playlist.

• Pre-game lobbies - For some reason, during the pre-game loading screen, if there is only 15/16 players queued up - THE GAME WONT START and the game rarely finds a 16th player. The result is a 5 minute wait session, crossing our fingers hoping someone gets matched up. I've gone 20 minutes searching and sitting in 15/16 queued lobbies just to play one game. I've actually given up even trying to play solo a few nights because of it.
• If the game does actually start, and someone quits, a new player immediately gets spawned into the game. No waiting, its almost instantaneous. Why? How can the pregame lobby time out completely, but in game puts someone in?

2. Changes to the BR which butchered it. It's not even enjoyable to shoot anymore.

• Do I even need to say more? do competitive players even pick it up in HCS?

3. Lack of variation in game types and maps. When is the last time a refresh was made? For god sake, a refresh bringing back maps that were previously in the playlist would be all it would take. I'm certainly bored to death of waiting 20 minutes to find a game, yet when I do its Dispelled Slayer for the 247th time in a row.

I would really hate to see a playlist that has been so ingrained into the fabric of Halo matchmaking over the last 2 decades, be tossed aside, because of mistakes made by the developer when they were trying to help. Fix the issues that have caused players to abandon BTB, dont just simply get complacent.

On the other hand, if you just dont have the staff, I get it.

Might give Bo4 or RDR2 a try

I disagree. Read my last comment.

BTB has never been strong in H5, regardless of its place in past Halos. We have to look at the audience it has now vs. the past. The average bulk H5 player isn't that interested in BTB and never has been. Not in the presence of Warzone and now BTB SF.

That doesn't mean there isn't a group of folks playing H5 who love it, but that group isn't a core part of H5.

I feel more like the core pop has moved on, and the leftover BTB enthusiast community isn't large enough to sustain the list without changes that invite folks currently happy in other playlists back, as well as the enthusiasts.

Also, I disgrew on the BR. The original BR scared off more of that original pop than it did invite them. Weakening the BR actually resulted in an increase in BTB's pop a year ago that was sustained up until BTB SF.

I disagree with you on the BR, I use only the Halo 2 BR in warzone and anything else other than the default version.

So you're just disagreeing just to be disagreeing. Because your comment has zero to do with what they were discussing.

ZaedynFel wrote:

Also, keep in mind the season just rolled, so Champs aren't really Champs yet. Not till around 1700. These are mostly the first low Onyx players into Onyx.

• Did you increase the rank-in cap from Diamond 3 to either Diamond 5 or Onyx 1500?
• Has an Onyx “Champ” barrier been re-established such that it requires more than just Onyx 1500 to potentially earn a “Champ” numerical position?