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[Locked] MATCHMAKING FEEDBACK UPDATE – November 5

OP ZaedynFel

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ZaedynFel wrote:
https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/mode/arena/matches/917a3e4a-8db1-4df8-9493-80421de5a4ed/players/ii%20drathnor%20ii?gameHistoryMatchIndex=21&gameHistoryGameModeFilter=ArenaIt
We changed it back to similar to what it was pre-TrueSkill2.

Now you get the average of all of the possible 1v1 updates. So second place will lose points if the gains from the players they beat are less than the loss from losing to #1.
OK so as far as the game went:

First - Unranked
Second - Diamond 2 (Previously Diamond 3 - ME)
Third - Diamond 3
Fourth - Diamond 1
Fifth - Unranked
Sixth - Unranked

In 1v1 the player I killed most was the highest CSR ranked in the playlist which was Diamond 3 ( I killed he/she 7 times)
got killed 4 times by the player placing first.

So basically the sum of all my engagement wins are less than the losses against Player that won first?

Can I ask what my MMR was coming in and coming out of the match?

I am not insisting just to insist, I just want to understand.

thanks!
Hello, Mod said to post here, I think, directions are never usefully clear. tl;dr I am wondering how I can SMASH at games but more often than not a win is only a sliver of progress while a loss is at least half a rank loss. Is there something I'm missing? God-level MMR? Bots? Glitch? Conspiracy? I must know the answer to act accordingly, or to bring attention to a fix. Here are links to a lot of my games over the past few days. Thank you.

https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/mode/arena/matches/0853ac69-1e07-4709-889f-e0a745a29f89/players/maxximus%20k573?gameHistoryMatchIndex=0&gameHistoryGameModeFilter=Arena

https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/mode/arena/matches/1e2fa395-377a-4165-a74d-814752f331f9/players/maxximus%20k573?gameHistoryMatchIndex=5&gameHistoryGameModeFilter=Arena

https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/mode/arena/matches/2124eb61-e8bd-4b93-b42b-02fe98490bb0/players/maxximus%20k573?gameHistoryMatchIndex=7&gameHistoryGameModeFilter=Arena

https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/mode/arena/matches/7735b6e3-5375-402b-84f2-c6c37159d7ed/players/maxximus%20k573?gameHistoryMatchIndex=6&gameHistoryGameModeFilter=Arena

https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/mode/arena/matches/f8ee544e-d737-49a9-b595-87da6dff7b15/players/maxximus%20k573?gameHistoryMatchIndex=8&gameHistoryGameModeFilter=Arena

https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/mode/arena/matches/7058bde3-da3d-48a1-be8c-efaf193e6831/players/maxximus%20k573?gameHistoryMatchIndex=18&gameHistoryGameModeFilter=Arena

https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/mode/arena/matches/0853ac69-1e07-4709-889f-e0a745a29f89/players/maxximus%20k573?gameHistoryMatchIndex=19&gameHistoryGameModeFilter=Arena

Other Forum Posts with more links if older info is needed.
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https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/forums/e0d9938206f04a598ce84f2c8cadce02/topics/inquiry-about-strange-potentialy-glitched-ranking/44d3a5aa-b8b7-4c37-bee9-52763c8ac534/posts?page=1

https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/forums/58b8518e005f432381ab99fbcaf931e0/topics/ranked-system-is-a-landfill-of-trash/9d53d98e-3467-494b-aa2f-55992047548b/posts?page=1
Hello, Mod said to post here, I think, directions are never usefully clear. tl;dr I am wondering how I can SMASH at games but more often than not a win is only a sliver of progress while a loss is at least half a rank loss. Is there something I'm missing? God-level MMR? Bots? Glitch? Conspiracy? I must know the answer to act accordingly, or to bring attention to a fix. Here are links to a lot of my games over the past few days. Thank you.

https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/mode/arena/matches/0853ac69-1e07-4709-889f-e0a745a29f89/players/maxximus%20k573?gameHistoryMatchIndex=0&gameHistoryGameModeFilter=Arena

https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/mode/arena/matches/1e2fa395-377a-4165-a74d-814752f331f9/players/maxximus%20k573?gameHistoryMatchIndex=5&gameHistoryGameModeFilter=Arena

https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/mode/arena/matches/2124eb61-e8bd-4b93-b42b-02fe98490bb0/players/maxximus%20k573?gameHistoryMatchIndex=7&gameHistoryGameModeFilter=Arena

https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/mode/arena/matches/7735b6e3-5375-402b-84f2-c6c37159d7ed/players/maxximus%20k573?gameHistoryMatchIndex=6&gameHistoryGameModeFilter=Arena

https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/mode/arena/matches/f8ee544e-d737-49a9-b595-87da6dff7b15/players/maxximus%20k573?gameHistoryMatchIndex=8&gameHistoryGameModeFilter=Arena

https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/mode/arena/matches/7058bde3-da3d-48a1-be8c-efaf193e6831/players/maxximus%20k573?gameHistoryMatchIndex=18&gameHistoryGameModeFilter=Arena

https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/mode/arena/matches/0853ac69-1e07-4709-889f-e0a745a29f89/players/maxximus%20k573?gameHistoryMatchIndex=19&gameHistoryGameModeFilter=Arena

Other Forum Posts with more links if older info is needed.
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https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/forums/e0d9938206f04a598ce84f2c8cadce02/topics/inquiry-about-strange-potentialy-glitched-ranking/44d3a5aa-b8b7-4c37-bee9-52763c8ac534/posts?page=1

https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/forums/58b8518e005f432381ab99fbcaf931e0/topics/ranked-system-is-a-landfill-of-trash/9d53d98e-3467-494b-aa2f-55992047548b/posts?page=1if
These matches show you as a Plat player getting slightly above average kills against part Gold teams. Which seems to be correct Plat level, no?

Am I missing something here?
munk07 wrote:
LUKEPOWA wrote:
Please refrain from posting multiple times in a row. You can edit your posts to add information and respond to more than one person in a single post. I'd also recommend you attempt to be more constructive in the future.
munk07 wrote:
LUKEPOWA wrote:
Please refrain from posting multiple times in a row. You can edit your posts to add information and respond to more than one person in a single post. I'd also recommend you attempt to be more constructive in the future.
Sorry that negative feedback, and paragraphs not listed under bullet points are inconstructive for you.
Maybe this website should have subposts like most sites that prevents forums looking like "multiple posts". I read the main subject matter and commented, then soon after replied/quoted someone.

I recommend making this website more constructive in the future.
munk07 wrote:
munk07 wrote:
LUKEPOWA wrote:
Please refrain from posting multiple times in a row. You can edit your posts to add information and respond to more than one person in a single post. I'd also recommend you attempt to be more constructive in the future.
Sorry that negative feedback, and paragraphs not listed under bullet points are inconstructive for you.
Maybe this website should have subposts like most sites that prevents forums looking like "multiple posts". I read the main subject matter and commented, then soon after replied/quoted someone.

I recommend making this website more constructive in the future.
I'm not going to argue with you. You'll need to be constructive and not spam if you want to stick around.
munk07 wrote:
munk07 wrote:
LUKEPOWA wrote:
Please refrain from posting multiple times in a row. You can edit your posts to add information and respond to more than one person in a single post. I'd also recommend you attempt to be more constructive in the future.
Sorry that negative feedback, and paragraphs not listed under bullet points are inconstructive for you.
Maybe this website should have subposts like most sites that prevents forums looking like "multiple posts". I read the main subject matter and commented, then soon after replied/quoted someone.

I recommend making this website more constructive in the future.
I'm not going to argue with you. You'll need to be constructive and not spam if you want to stick around.
Stick around? Thanks buddy. Im not stuck to this like a plasma grenade.
.. quand allez-vous nous donner la possibilité de sélectionner le serveur dédié car je tombe tout le temps sur des serveur américain et je passe mon temps à laguer
munk07 wrote:
munk07 wrote:
munk07 wrote:
LUKEPOWA wrote:
Please refrain from posting multiple times in a row. You can edit your posts to add information and respond to more than one person in a single post. I'd also recommend you attempt to be more constructive in the future.
Sorry that negative feedback, and paragraphs not listed under bullet points are inconstructive for you.
Maybe this website should have subposts like most sites that prevents forums looking like "multiple posts". I read the main subject matter and commented, then soon after replied/quoted someone.

I recommend making this website more constructive in the future.
I'm not going to argue with you. You'll need to be constructive and not spam if you want to stick around.
Stick around? Thanks buddy. Im not stuck to this like a plasma grenade.
What a beautiful pun. Good work
.. quand allez-vous nous donner la possibilité de sélectionner le serveur dédié car je tombe tout le temps sur des serveur américain et je passe mon temps à laguer
If you pick focused or balanced, you'll get a European server.

If you aren't finding matches using Focused / Balanced, then that means there aren't players in Europe that are playing what you want anyways, so selecting a server would not help.
I find it funny that rng based gamemode is the most popular. That being said mmr based games are kinda boring, never any bad games or good games, just average all the time which isn't very fun in my opinion. I like getting owned and owning sometimes, it gets me fired up.

My thought would be maybe to use mmr player vs player rather than mmr equal to all players. Then its still a fair match, more varied and easier to find games.

I think btb is less played aswell as it used to be a popular choice in splitscreen gamemode. Then it's less frantic and less competetive which makes it easier to roam around without getting targeted
My thought would be maybe to use mmr player vs player rather than mmr equal to all players. Then its still a fair match, more varied and easier to find games.
This is basically what it is already during any less popular times of the day, or in the least popular playlists.

Unfortunately, it leads to skyrocketing quit rates. You personally might like matches like that, but if so, you're an outlier. Everyone else quits whenever their skill is clearly less than their opponents (in the data).
Where are the targeted and balanced parameters?
ZaedynFel wrote:
My thought would be maybe to use mmr player vs player rather than mmr equal to all players. Then its still a fair match, more varied and easier to find games.
This is basically what it is already during any less popular times of the day, or in the least popular playlists.

Unfortunately, it leads to skyrocketing quit rates. You personally might like matches like that, but if so, you're an outlier. Everyone else quits whenever their skill is clearly less than their opponents (in the data).
Ah ok, I think no pain no gain. Getting owned is when you realise hey I need to improve, but I suppose most people don't wanna blame themselves :P
Zedfu wrote:
ZaedynFel wrote:
Heaviies wrote:
ZaedynFel wrote:
Big Team BattleFor a long period of time BTB was a solid social playlist and in fact the minimum popularity bar we used to judge whether a list should stay permanent. Lately, however, it has become near impossible to find matches for around half the day. It appears the bulk of players needed to maintain a healthy list now prefer the Super Fiesta variant, leaving only classic BTB enthusiasts still engaged in the original BTB playlist. We feel it would be more beneficial to those who love BTB to be able to have a good experience with it rather than waiting 5 minutes without a match.

Our current plans with BTB are as follows:
  • Monitor it as we enter the holiday season. If holiday traffic is enough to keep it alive, we’ll leave it up and reconsider its future in January
  • Begin work on a refresh. If BTB can hang on long enough, we will see how well it does after a refresh before moving it to a rotational
  • If these both fail, then BTB shouldn’t be an exception given how much better every other list has done as a rotational when it starts behaving this way.
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I disagree with you on the BR, I use only the Halo 2 BR in warzone and anything else other than the default version.
So you're just disagreeing just to be disagreeing. Because your comment has zero to do with what they were discussing.
Not really, This person has the opinion that many people hated the first BR in Halo 5 which is false.More people have a problem with it now then they did at first.
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I love most gametypes in Guardians, but I have a couple concerns. First off, big team battle needs a refresh. I know SFBTB is doing way better, but it just isn't for many players. Second off is the ranking system. It's getting to the point where it's unacceptable. I'll give you an example. One of my first games today I matched a Champion and Onyx while I'm at diamond one. It didn't go too well. It's not unplayable by any means, but it needs a re-work. Some matches are simply not fair. I don't think a diamond one should go up against the number fifty champ. The matches before I did about average. Nowhere near Champion.
geardriv3n wrote:
I love most gametypes in Guatdians, but I have a couple concerns. First off, big team battle needs a refresh. I know SFBTB is doing way better, but it just isn't for many players. Second off is the ranking system. It's getting to the point where it's unacceptable. I'll give you an example. One of my first games today I matched a Champion and Onyx while I'm at diamond one. It didn't go too well. It's not unplayable by any means, but it needs a re-work. Some matches are simply not fair. I don't think a diamond one should go up against the number fifty champ. The matches before I did about average. Nowhere near Champion.
First, Champs are Onyx. The matchmaker doesn't distinguish an Onyx from a Champ because if it did, Champs could never play.

Second, Diamonds have always been able to match Onyx, and also Plat.

Third, the gap you experience is based on the population when you search. If you search during a time not a lot of people are searching, you will see more Onyx (and Plat, and Gold, etc). It's either that, or wait around for hours for a match.

Also, keep in mind the season just rolled, so Champs aren't really Champs yet. Not till around 1700. These are mostly the first low Onyx players into Onyx.
ZaedynFel wrote:
Also, keep in mind the season just rolled, so Champs aren't really Champs yet. Not till around 1700. These are mostly the first low Onyx players into Onyx.
Just curious if any changes were made with the season roll?

  • Did you increase the rank-in cap from Diamond 3 to either Diamond 5 or Onyx 1500?
  • Has an Onyx “Champ” barrier been re-established such that it requires more than just Onyx 1500 to potentially earn a “Champ” numerical position?
eLantern wrote:
ZaedynFel wrote:
Also, keep in mind the season just rolled, so Champs aren't really Champs yet. Not till around 1700. These are mostly the first low Onyx players into Onyx.
Just curious if any changes were made with the season roll?

  • Did you increase the rank-in cap from Diamond 3 to either Diamond 5 or Onyx 1500?
  • Has an Onyx “Champ” barrier been re-established such that it requires more than just Onyx 1500 to potentially earn a “Champ” numerical position?
No it's still 1500. We ideally want 200 Champs a few weeks into the season and this would not be the case for several playlists if we don't keep it around 1500.
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