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[Locked] MATCHMAKING FEEDBACK UPDATE – November 5

OP ZaedynFel

3/1/2019

True Maniac 07

Recruit - Bronze

Z1000B wrote:
ZaedynFel wrote:
Z1000B wrote:
ZaedynFel wrote:
NightClerk wrote:
ZaedynFelBeen having a lot of quitters/AFK in games recently. Played some Team Arena yesterday, these were my first five games.

Game 1: Starts 2v4 - https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/mode/arena/matches/f3b62936-fa22-42e0-959a-1f202b2d3f6c/players/nightclerk?gameHistoryMatchIndex=14&gameHistoryGameModeFilter=Arena

Game 2: One teammate AFK from the start, another quits. Then we all quit - https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/mode/arena/matches/397787f2-eb98-4d82-9c0d-ef761a34eaba/players/nightclerk?gameHistoryMatchIndex=13&gameHistoryGameModeFilter=Arena

Game 3: Success! Full teams for entirety of game. No AFKs. - https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/mode/arena/matches/1b99c0fe-aec4-465e-b9e3-835515fc9aa2/players/nightclerk?gameHistoryMatchIndex=12&gameHistoryGameModeFilter=Arena

Game 4: Started with 1 or 2 AFK teammates who eventually quit. We all quit after they leave. - https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/mode/arena/matches/5e96d950-5af5-40c4-a693-f1dd4dd99822/players/nightclerk?gameHistoryMatchIndex=11&gameHistoryGameModeFilter=Arena

Game 5: 2 teammates quit early. - https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/mode/arena/matches/8c23ea97-1541-44b7-898b-4a49c092c637/players/nightclerk?gameHistoryMatchIndex=10&gameHistoryGameModeFilter=Arena
Fortunately I believe the ranking system worked and my CSR loss was pretty minimal. I think the penalties for quitting and being AFK aren’t strong enough to discourage this behavior. I will say that the matches I get are generally very competitive and TS2 finds balanced games. I’m sure you understand the frustration of going into game after game only to have that time wasted with a quitter.

Has there been any talk of implementing some type of “trust score” that tracks how often people quit? With a score like that, quitters could be matched with other quitters. Rewarding “good” players and punishing quitters in one motion.

This isn’t a criticism of TS2 or the MM system, which seems to be working very well. Just frustrated with these experiences I'm sure you can relate to. Keep up the good work.
Unfortunately quitting isn't a small group of players that be isolated, it's most players.

Players quit when they are clearly overmatched. Either at the team or individual level, and it's a large portion of the population.
Does that not mean the matchmaking did/does not work properly ? It happens alot in WZ Arena and btb playlists often. Players either solo or small fireteams matched with very low ranked players against larger teams in wz or just just very good communicating players, it leaves you frustrated when looking at stats to see your 20 plus positive and lower down your team playing out a -20 , gut im sure you know this. Keep trying and iwill also try not to quit out of unbalanced matches.
Yes, this happens due to pop depending on the playlist. MM is tuned so if the pop is there at your skill level, you will have similar teammates against similar opponents, without large gaps in performance.

But in playlists like Warzone that require 24 players, the best players will almost never find all equal teammates because there are rarely 24 top players all searching at once solo.
Thanks for replying . Its not just the MM that leads me to quit games, its hit detection, bullets through walls, glitchy players, lag , when you get things like that happen its a case of walking away to save frustration. unfortunate unbalance in MM is what happens and i will be honest and say there are players especially when they arein the same team i wont play as i know whats going to happen. One more thing, Is there a point being put into a game on losing team triple capped ect, imean just close the game off so it can end quicker, it would save loss to new player and everyone can move on? Thanks again.

I have balance problems too yesterday I was playing elimination and I’m plat 6 in it and I got a champion on the other team.

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3/1/2019

Z1000B

Recruit - Bronze

True Maniac 07 wrote:
Z1000B wrote:
ZaedynFel wrote:
Z1000B wrote:
ZaedynFel wrote:
NightClerk wrote:
ZaedynFelBeen having a lot of quitters/AFK in games recently. Played some Team Arena yesterday, these were my first five games.

Game 1: Starts 2v4 - https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/mode/arena/matches/f3b62936-fa22-42e0-959a-1f202b2d3f6c/players/nightclerk?gameHistoryMatchIndex=14&gameHistoryGameModeFilter=Arena

Game 2: One teammate AFK from the start, another quits. Then we all quit - https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/mode/arena/matches/397787f2-eb98-4d82-9c0d-ef761a34eaba/players/nightclerk?gameHistoryMatchIndex=13&gameHistoryGameModeFilter=Arena

Game 3: Success! Full teams for entirety of game. No AFKs. - https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/mode/arena/matches/1b99c0fe-aec4-465e-b9e3-835515fc9aa2/players/nightclerk?gameHistoryMatchIndex=12&gameHistoryGameModeFilter=Arena

Game 4: Started with 1 or 2 AFK teammates who eventually quit. We all quit after they leave. - https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/mode/arena/matches/5e96d950-5af5-40c4-a693-f1dd4dd99822/players/nightclerk?gameHistoryMatchIndex=11&gameHistoryGameModeFilter=Arena

Game 5: 2 teammates quit early. - https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/mode/arena/matches/8c23ea97-1541-44b7-898b-4a49c092c637/players/nightclerk?gameHistoryMatchIndex=10&gameHistoryGameModeFilter=Arena
Fortunately I believe the ranking system worked and my CSR loss was pretty minimal. I think the penalties for quitting and being AFK aren’t strong enough to discourage this behavior. I will say that the matches I get are generally very competitive and TS2 finds balanced games. I’m sure you understand the frustration of going into game after game only to have that time wasted with a quitter.

Has there been any talk of implementing some type of “trust score” that tracks how often people quit? With a score like that, quitters could be matched with other quitters. Rewarding “good” players and punishing quitters in one motion.

This isn’t a criticism of TS2 or the MM system, which seems to be working very well. Just frustrated with these experiences I'm sure you can relate to. Keep up the good work.
Unfortunately quitting isn't a small group of players that be isolated, it's most players.

Players quit when they are clearly overmatched. Either at the team or individual level, and it's a large portion of the population.
Does that not mean the matchmaking did/does not work properly ? It happens alot in WZ Arena and btb playlists often. Players either solo or small fireteams matched with very low ranked players against larger teams in wz or just just very good communicating players, it leaves you frustrated when looking at stats to see your 20 plus positive and lower down your team playing out a -20 , gut im sure you know this. Keep trying and iwill also try not to quit out of unbalanced matches.
Yes, this happens due to pop depending on the playlist. MM is tuned so if the pop is there at your skill level, you will have similar teammates against similar opponents, without large gaps in performance.

But in playlists like Warzone that require 24 players, the best players will almost never find all equal teammates because there are rarely 24 top players all searching at once solo.
Thanks for replying . Its not just the MM that leads me to quit games, its hit detection, bullets through walls, glitchy players, lag , when you get things like that happen its a case of walking away to save frustration. unfortunate unbalance in MM is what happens and i will be honest and say there are players especially when they arein the same team i wont play as i know whats going to happen. One more thing, Is there a point being put into a game on losing team triple capped ect, imean just close the game off so it can end quicker, it would save loss to new player and everyone can move on? Thanks again.
I have balance problems too yesterday I was playing elimination and I’m plat 6 in it and I got a champion on the other team.

Sounds about right, not enough players to balance it out so you will do.

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3/3/2019

Not sure if this has been brought up but as far back as I can remember 3rd place or better had you moving up in CSR in FFA. My last few games have been 3rd and 2nd place and I went down from d3 to d2 it seems insane

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3/4/2019

SECRET FACE

Marine - Silver

TheGreatLeveler wrote:
Not sure if this has been brought up but as far back as I can remember 3rd place or better had you moving up in CSR in FFA. My last few games have been 3rd and 2nd place and I went down from d3 to d2 it seems insane

Depends on the other players in the match. I'm low platinum. Had a match where I played against diamonds and onyx. Predictably placed 5th and my csr went up slightly. So it goes both ways.

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3/4/2019

iTs Heavies

Marine - Bronze

Z1000B wrote:
ZaedynFel wrote:
Z1000B wrote:
ZaedynFel wrote:
NightClerk wrote:
ZaedynFelBeen having a lot of quitters/AFK in games recently. Played some Team Arena yesterday, these were my first five games.

Game 1: Starts 2v4 - https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/mode/arena/matches/f3b62936-fa22-42e0-959a-1f202b2d3f6c/players/nightclerk?gameHistoryMatchIndex=14&gameHistoryGameModeFilter=Arena

Game 2: One teammate AFK from the start, another quits. Then we all quit - https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/mode/arena/matches/397787f2-eb98-4d82-9c0d-ef761a34eaba/players/nightclerk?gameHistoryMatchIndex=13&gameHistoryGameModeFilter=Arena

Game 3: Success! Full teams for entirety of game. No AFKs. - https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/mode/arena/matches/1b99c0fe-aec4-465e-b9e3-835515fc9aa2/players/nightclerk?gameHistoryMatchIndex=12&gameHistoryGameModeFilter=Arena

Game 4: Started with 1 or 2 AFK teammates who eventually quit. We all quit after they leave. - https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/mode/arena/matches/5e96d950-5af5-40c4-a693-f1dd4dd99822/players/nightclerk?gameHistoryMatchIndex=11&gameHistoryGameModeFilter=Arena

Game 5: 2 teammates quit early. - https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/mode/arena/matches/8c23ea97-1541-44b7-898b-4a49c092c637/players/nightclerk?gameHistoryMatchIndex=10&gameHistoryGameModeFilter=Arena
Fortunately I believe the ranking system worked and my CSR loss was pretty minimal. I think the penalties for quitting and being AFK aren’t strong enough to discourage this behavior. I will say that the matches I get are generally very competitive and TS2 finds balanced games. I’m sure you understand the frustration of going into game after game only to have that time wasted with a quitter.

Has there been any talk of implementing some type of “trust score” that tracks how often people quit? With a score like that, quitters could be matched with other quitters. Rewarding “good” players and punishing quitters in one motion.

This isn’t a criticism of TS2 or the MM system, which seems to be working very well. Just frustrated with these experiences I'm sure you can relate to. Keep up the good work.
Unfortunately quitting isn't a small group of players that be isolated, it's most players.

Players quit when they are clearly overmatched. Either at the team or individual level, and it's a large portion of the population.
Does that not mean the matchmaking did/does not work properly ? It happens alot in WZ Arena and btb playlists often. Players either solo or small fireteams matched with very low ranked players against larger teams in wz or just just very good communicating players, it leaves you frustrated when looking at stats to see your 20 plus positive and lower down your team playing out a -20 , gut im sure you know this. Keep trying and iwill also try not to quit out of unbalanced matches.
Yes, this happens due to pop depending on the playlist. MM is tuned so if the pop is there at your skill level, you will have similar teammates against similar opponents, without large gaps in performance.

But in playlists like Warzone that require 24 players, the best players will almost never find all equal teammates because there are rarely 24 top players all searching at once solo.
Thanks for replying . Its not just the MM that leads me to quit games, its hit detection, bullets through walls, glitchy players, lag , when you get things like that happen its a case of walking away to save frustration. unfortunate unbalance in MM is what happens and i will be honest and say there are players especially when they arein the same team i wont play as i know whats going to happen. One more thing, Is there a point being put into a game on losing team triple capped ect, imean just close the game off so it can end quicker, it would save loss to new player and everyone can move on? Thanks again.

You are not supposed to join in progress into a game in Warzone where either team is triple capped. What usually happens is that a team starts losing their last armory, a player quits out of frustration, and it starts loading you into the game. Since it takes time to actually load you into the game, sometimes you spawn and the third armory was already capped in the middle of your loading or shortly after.

It would be nice if the loss wouldn't count towards your service record. Stats would only count in a win.

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3/4/2019

TraadeMerK

Marine - Iron

Hey Menke, may I have both my FFA and Slayer MMRs? Thanks!

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3/4/2019

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OP 3/5/2019

ZaedynFel

343 Industries

TraadeMerK wrote:
Hey Menke, may I have both my FFA and Slayer MMRs? Thanks!

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3/5/2019

Dead End 24

ODST - Silver

I'm guessing Seclusion isn't in 4-4 Slayer anymore because I never get it 😔 My friends and I miss that map. Light vehicle play in ranked 4-4 Team Slayer is fun, as long as there's ways to counter them, which Seclusion definitely had. Variety is the spice of life right!!

This whole "ranked has to be precision weapons only" and "no vehicles allowed" mantality really needs to go. If you want that, then play HCS/MLG/Team Arena whatever it's called now, I can't remember lol

Halo 3 had light vehicle play and a good variety of weapons in ranked 4-4 team Slayer, and I remember it being pretty dam popular. If you want more people playing ranked, maybe you should consider this kind of stuff in the non HCS/MLG/Team Arena playlists.

Just food for thought 🙃

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3/6/2019

True Maniac 07

Recruit - Bronze

I wish that the forerunner weapons didn’t exist in the ranked playlist. It take no skill to use them all the shots follow you the suppresser and bolt shot are non covenant needlers.

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3/6/2019

I DeeViant I

Recruit - Bronze

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ZaedynFel wrote:
Playlist UpdateWe have been monitoring playlist health constantly over the past year and have a noticed a few trends worth pointing out.

First, our very minimum bar is that, at the very least, a solo queuing player can find a match within a reasonable amount of time in any playlists at any time of the day. We consider playlists that don’t meet that minimum bar as better fits for rotational lists because while on rotation, they get plenty of players for a brief window. To be clear, most rotationals lose that player base towards they end of their rotations, but for the first 1-1.5 weeks they lists do quite well.

There are some exceptions within Ranked. We are not as strict with FFA because it is still being played competitively, even if the format we use isn’t exactly the same. Also, we keep Elimination up because it’s the only way to finish the Breakout Commendations.

Outside of that, there are a few playlists that are falling below our minimum bar.

Warzone AssaultWarzone Assault has long been behaving more like a rotational than like a permanent playlist. It has also gone several days at a time without any matches played at all because the number of players we see trying to play at peak times is not enough to form a complete match. To make it easier to get matches in Warzone Assault, as I mentioned before the weekend, we are going to start running it as a rotational the first weekend of each month. We have noticed in our data that when we take less popular lists and run them periodically instead of permanently, they receive orders of magnitude more players.
Big Team BattleFor a long period of time BTB was a solid social playlist and in fact the minimum popularity bar we used to judge whether a list should stay permanent. Lately, however, it has become near impossible to find matches for around half the day. It appears the bulk of players needed to maintain a healthy list now prefer the Super Fiesta variant, leaving only classic BTB enthusiasts still engaged in the original BTB playlist. We feel it would be more beneficial to those who love BTB to be able to have a good experience with it rather than waiting 5 minutes without a match.

Our current plans with BTB are as follows:

Monitor it as we enter the holiday season. If holiday traffic is enough to keep it alive, we’ll leave it up and reconsider its future in January

Begin work on a refresh. If BTB can hang on long enough, we will see how well it does after a refresh before moving it to a rotational

If these both fail, then BTB shouldn’t be an exception given how much better every other list has done as a rotational when it starts behaving this way.
Playlist RanksHere are how they rank in popularity over the last week since we haven’t done this in a while. You may notice BTB is Ranked above Doubles, but keep in mind that Doubles only requires 4 players to start a match. So while BTB is getting more playtime overall, Doubles doesn’t have the same issues with failures to find a match:
Super Fiesta
Slayer
Castle Wars
Big Team Super Fiesta
Heroic Warzone Firefight
Warzone
Quick Play
Infection
Team Arena
SWAT
Legendary Warzone Firefight
Big Team Battle
Ranked Doubles
Mythic Warzone Firefight
Grifball
Free-for-All
Elimination
Warzone Assault
Warzone Warlords

These retards wouldn’t know what competitive means! You want to know why halo is so dead, it’s because of the laziness of these so called developers, poorly made maps where they have basically cut, copied and pasted from other maps. The matchmaking system in ranked is a complete joke, it’s so far spread I could be put into a game with someone 15 ranks apart from me. This whole hidden mmr rating is rediculous. If you win you go up if you lose you go down it’s simple. The match making rating is not even accurate. To add to the disappointing match making system there is no need to play 10 games to be ranked and if you want to reset the ranks every season at least just drop everyone to the lowest level of there tier. This way there would not be silver players matching up with onyx players creating a completely unbalanced game, now tell me how that is competitive. There is some serious work to be done before halo 6 comes out or that will be a complete failure as well, actually there just needs to be some work done! Player spawns are way to simple and easy to manipulate, weapon spawn timers are rediculous, for example shotguns and storm rifles. Power weapons and power ups should be 3 minutes not 2 minutes. The whole game needs to be fixed. Don’t even get me started on the lack of playlists. The game is dead for a reason and it is because of the lazy job that has been put into this game. If bungie was still in charge this would have never happened. I think a lot of people would agree that this game has been declining ever since Microsoft screwed over bungie and these 343 idiots picked it up. For once in your lives listen to the community, even the pros aren’t impressed by the state of this game. One more thing maybe try playing with some competivness on your own game before you start talking about what you think is best. Please fix halo, i have played and loved this game for over 15 years and it’s just so sad to see what it has become. I don’t have a problem with the gameplay I like the fast pace that the game has become but just please put some effort into building maps and put some deep thought into how weapons are used and mostly think very very hard about how to make a ranking system that is not going to drive people away for both competive and casual players. I’m sorry about the rant but I’m fed up with it. I have quit and come back to this game so many times now hoping it has gotten better only to be disappointed every time.

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3/6/2019

IS0 Joe

Recruit - Bronze

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ZaedynFel wrote:
Playlist UpdateWe have been monitoring playlist health constantly over the past year and have a noticed a few trends worth pointing out.

First, our very minimum bar is that, at the very least, a solo queuing player can find a match within a reasonable amount of time in any playlists at any time of the day. We consider playlists that don’t meet that minimum bar as better fits for rotational lists because while on rotation, they get plenty of players for a brief window. To be clear, most rotationals lose that player base towards they end of their rotations, but for the first 1-1.5 weeks they lists do quite well.

There are some exceptions within Ranked. We are not as strict with FFA because it is still being played competitively, even if the format we use isn’t exactly the same. Also, we keep Elimination up because it’s the only way to finish the Breakout Commendations.

Outside of that, there are a few playlists that are falling below our minimum bar.

Warzone AssaultWarzone Assault has long been behaving more like a rotational than like a permanent playlist. It has also gone several days at a time without any matches played at all because the number of players we see trying to play at peak times is not enough to form a complete match. To make it easier to get matches in Warzone Assault, as I mentioned before the weekend, we are going to start running it as a rotational the first weekend of each month. We have noticed in our data that when we take less popular lists and run them periodically instead of permanently, they receive orders of magnitude more players.
Big Team BattleFor a long period of time BTB was a solid social playlist and in fact the minimum popularity bar we used to judge whether a list should stay permanent. Lately, however, it has become near impossible to find matches for around half the day. It appears the bulk of players needed to maintain a healthy list now prefer the Super Fiesta variant, leaving only classic BTB enthusiasts still engaged in the original BTB playlist. We feel it would be more beneficial to those who love BTB to be able to have a good experience with it rather than waiting 5 minutes without a match.

Our current plans with BTB are as follows:

Monitor it as we enter the holiday season. If holiday traffic is enough to keep it alive, we’ll leave it up and reconsider its future in January

Begin work on a refresh. If BTB can hang on long enough, we will see how well it does after a refresh before moving it to a rotational

If these both fail, then BTB shouldn’t be an exception given how much better every other list has done as a rotational when it starts behaving this way.
Playlist RanksHere are how they rank in popularity over the last week since we haven’t done this in a while. You may notice BTB is Ranked above Doubles, but keep in mind that Doubles only requires 4 players to start a match. So while BTB is getting more playtime overall, Doubles doesn’t have the same issues with failures to find a match:
Super Fiesta
Slayer
Castle Wars
Big Team Super Fiesta
Heroic Warzone Firefight
Warzone
Quick Play
Infection
Team Arena
SWAT
Legendary Warzone Firefight
Big Team Battle
Ranked Doubles
Mythic Warzone Firefight
Grifball
Free-for-All
Elimination
Warzone Assault
Warzone Warlords
These retards wouldn’t know what competitive means! You want to know why halo is so dead, it’s because of the laziness of these so called developers, poorly made maps where they have basically cut, copied and pasted from other maps. The matchmaking system in ranked is a complete joke, it’s so far spread I could be put into a game with someone 15 ranks apart from me. This whole hidden mmr rating is rediculous. If you win you go up if you lose you go down it’s simple. The match making rating is not even accurate. To add to the disappointing match making system there is no need to play 10 games to be ranked and if you want to reset the ranks every season at least just drop everyone to the lowest level of there tier. This way there would not be silver players matching up with onyx players creating a completely unbalanced game, now tell me how that is competitive. There is some serious work to be done before halo 6 comes out or that will be a complete failure as well, actually there just needs to be some work done! Player spawns are way to simple and easy to manipulate, weapon spawn timers are rediculous, for example shotguns and storm rifles. Power weapons and power ups should be 3 minutes not 2 minutes. The whole game needs to be fixed. Don’t even get me started on the lack of playlists. The game is dead for a reason and it is because of the lazy job that has been put into this game. If bungie was still in charge this would have never happened. I think a lot of people would agree that this game has been declining ever since Microsoft screwed over bungie and these 343 idiots picked it up. For once in your lives listen to the community, even the pros aren’t impressed by the state of this game. One more thing maybe try playing with some competivness on your own game before you start talking about what you think is best. Please fix halo, i have played and loved this game for over 15 years and it’s just so sad to see what it has become. I don’t have a problem with the gameplay I like the fast pace that the game has become but just please put some effort into building maps and put some deep thought into how weapons are used and mostly think very very hard about how to make a ranking system that is not going to drive people away for both competive and casual players. I’m sorry about the rant but I’m fed up with it. I have quit and come back to this game so many times now hoping it has gotten better only to be disappointed every time.

I think the prefered nomenclature is 343tard

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3/6/2019

Z1000B

Recruit - Bronze

iTs Heavies wrote:
Z1000B wrote:
ZaedynFel wrote:
Z1000B wrote:
ZaedynFel wrote:
NightClerk wrote:
ZaedynFelBeen having a lot of quitters/AFK in games recently. Played some Team Arena yesterday, these were my first five games.

Game 1: Starts 2v4 - https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/mode/arena/matches/f3b62936-fa22-42e0-959a-1f202b2d3f6c/players/nightclerk?gameHistoryMatchIndex=14&gameHistoryGameModeFilter=Arena

Game 2: One teammate AFK from the start, another quits. Then we all quit - https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/mode/arena/matches/397787f2-eb98-4d82-9c0d-ef761a34eaba/players/nightclerk?gameHistoryMatchIndex=13&gameHistoryGameModeFilter=Arena

Game 3: Success! Full teams for entirety of game. No AFKs. - https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/mode/arena/matches/1b99c0fe-aec4-465e-b9e3-835515fc9aa2/players/nightclerk?gameHistoryMatchIndex=12&gameHistoryGameModeFilter=Arena

Game 4: Started with 1 or 2 AFK teammates who eventually quit. We all quit after they leave. - https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/mode/arena/matches/5e96d950-5af5-40c4-a693-f1dd4dd99822/players/nightclerk?gameHistoryMatchIndex=11&gameHistoryGameModeFilter=Arena

Game 5: 2 teammates quit early. - https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/mode/arena/matches/8c23ea97-1541-44b7-898b-4a49c092c637/players/nightclerk?gameHistoryMatchIndex=10&gameHistoryGameModeFilter=Arena
Fortunately I believe the ranking system worked and my CSR loss was pretty minimal. I think the penalties for quitting and being AFK aren’t strong enough to discourage this behavior. I will say that the matches I get are generally very competitive and TS2 finds balanced games. I’m sure you understand the frustration of going into game after game only to have that time wasted with a quitter.

Has there been any talk of implementing some type of “trust score” that tracks how often people quit? With a score like that, quitters could be matched with other quitters. Rewarding “good” players and punishing quitters in one motion.

This isn’t a criticism of TS2 or the MM system, which seems to be working very well. Just frustrated with these experiences I'm sure you can relate to. Keep up the good work.
Unfortunately quitting isn't a small group of players that be isolated, it's most players.

Players quit when they are clearly overmatched. Either at the team or individual level, and it's a large portion of the population.
Does that not mean the matchmaking did/does not work properly ? It happens alot in WZ Arena and btb playlists often. Players either solo or small fireteams matched with very low ranked players against larger teams in wz or just just very good communicating players, it leaves you frustrated when looking at stats to see your 20 plus positive and lower down your team playing out a -20 , gut im sure you know this. Keep trying and iwill also try not to quit out of unbalanced matches.
Yes, this happens due to pop depending on the playlist. MM is tuned so if the pop is there at your skill level, you will have similar teammates against similar opponents, without large gaps in performance.

But in playlists like Warzone that require 24 players, the best players will almost never find all equal teammates because there are rarely 24 top players all searching at once solo.
Thanks for replying . Its not just the MM that leads me to quit games, its hit detection, bullets through walls, glitchy players, lag , when you get things like that happen its a case of walking away to save frustration. unfortunate unbalance in MM is what happens and i will be honest and say there are players especially when they arein the same team i wont play as i know whats going to happen. One more thing, Is there a point being put into a game on losing team triple capped ect, imean just close the game off so it can end quicker, it would save loss to new player and everyone can move on? Thanks again.
You are not supposed to join in progress into a game in Warzone where either team is triple capped. What usually happens is that a team starts losing their last armory, a player quits out of frustration, and it starts loading you into the game. Since it takes time to actually load you into the game, sometimes you spawn and the third armory was already capped in the middle of your loading or shortly after.

It would be nice if the loss wouldn't count towards your service record. Stats would only count in a win.

It would be nice if it didnt, but be better if you was not spawned into it.

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3/7/2019

D M4N8

ODST - Iron

Is there something wrong with the current season? I've seen a couple people get carried to Champion so farAnd I know that it's just the beginning of the season, but still. I don't remember that being an issue last season or are all the real Champs now gone, so it's letting more people into Champ now just to fill in the spots? I'm so confused.

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3/8/2019

eLantern

ODST - Bronze

D M4N8 wrote:
Is there something wrong with the current season? I've seen a couple people get carried to Champion so farAnd I know that it's just the beginning of the season, but still. I don't remember that being an issue last season or are all the real Champs now gone, so it's letting more people into Champ now just to fill in the spots? I'm so confused.

The first people to reach Onyx will earn Champ titles... at least for a period of time until more skilled players invest the time to reach and surpass low level Onyx players who were simply quicker to reach Onyx.

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3/8/2019

D M4N8

ODST - Iron

eLantern wrote:
D M4N8 wrote:
Is there something wrong with the current season? I've seen a couple people get carried to Champion so farAnd I know that it's just the beginning of the season, but still. I don't remember that being an issue last season or are all the real Champs now gone, so it's letting more people into Champ now just to fill in the spots? I'm so confused.
The first people to reach Onyx will earn Champ titles... at least for a period of time until more skilled players invest the time to reach and surpass low level Onyx players who were simply quicker to reach Onyx.

I understand that. That's been the case for the last three seasons or so. What I am not understanding is how people are reaching 1500 easier than before. The point being here that there are people who shouldn't be reaching 1500 simply because they have more time on their hands than others. It seems as though skill is no longer a factor and the system reverted back to the grind aspect of things, rather than skill.

I'm just questioning if things somehow went back to how they were...

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3/8/2019

HaloGoodBngieBd

Recruit - Onyx

eLantern wrote:
D M4N8 wrote:
Is there something wrong with the current season? I've seen a couple people get carried to Champion so farAnd I know that it's just the beginning of the season, but still. I don't remember that being an issue last season or are all the real Champs now gone, so it's letting more people into Champ now just to fill in the spots? I'm so confused.
The first people to reach Onyx will earn Champ titles... at least for a period of time until more skilled players invest the time to reach and surpass low level Onyx players who were simply quicker to reach Onyx.

Even if you didn't know lesser skilled players can get to Champ early in the season(which I highly doubt), I don't think that addresses your question. I also noticed something odd about this season. I qualified on two alts in Team Arena and both of them qualified 3 or 4 levels higher than what I've been used to. It made me feel like there were some changes made to the ranking system, however unlikely that is. I'm sure this doesn't fully answer your question, but I figured you might want to know that you're not the only one feeling the season has started differently.

Awww man, you ninja'd me

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3/9/2019

Spratly3

Recruit - Gold

Hey Menke/ZaedynFEL,

Just looking for some guidance on my MMR and CSR on SWAT to put my mind at ease! In my 10 placement matches I ranked high diamond 2 on SWAT, even the games I lost I still had a positive K/D and even beat some champs & thought great I can work my way to high diamond/low Onyx which I feel at my game should be about right if I play frequently enough. However despite being mostly positive in SWAT I didn’t rank further up after my placement matches at all then started to drop massively when we lost. In the team I played with last night we won most games & the rest were rising and even got one of us up to Champ?! I don’t feel it was a case of me being carried as generally I was dying far less than the rest of my team and still being positive, except in the games where we lost and I was negative it was a bad K/D for me (had some shockers I know) and when we did lose I was bottom of my team; is that a factor into why? Could have my initial CSR been way over inflated? As don’t feel like I was out of my depth against the teams we were coming up against? Once you have explained that, my MMR/CSR for Team Arena would be great too if possible - thank you :)!

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3/10/2019

KotorBay85

Recruit - Gold

Any reason why no changes in maps for Slayer this season?
The map rotation isn't the best and it would be nice to play something new, even if it's maps from season before.

Yesterday I played 25 games, got Truth and Coli once and didn't even get the rig.
I don't like Coli but arguably these are the best maps instead of rubbish like White Cell.

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