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There were some issues with Warzone matchmaking, that should be resolved nowNathan CTF wrote:Last night 1am eastern i couldn't find anything. now 11am when its usually not busy I'm finding matches easily. i think something was screwed up with the servers last night
Ranks offer a point of reference to skill, a way to measure yours against others.RzR J3ST3R wrote:Ranks aren't a thing in WZ. I don't understand your post.SKAVENGER368 wrote:How much different would this question sound if ranks weren't a thing?RzR J3ST3R wrote:Hi Josh,
If that change goes live where 12-man WZ fireteams are allowed, and top players are capped at a MMR of 2.0 for matching purposes, does that mean that if a champ-tier 12-man is searching (guys who all have MMRs in the 5.0+ range) is going to pull much weaker 2.0 MMR players into their game, every game? Say I'm a 2.0 MMR player, will I find myself pulled into this lobby against them for a large portion of my games? Obviously there's no getting around the fact that 2.0 MMR players are going to match them, sometimes, and that's fine. But will the 2.0 MMR players (or a 12-man of 2.0 MMR players) ALSO match against slightly lower skill players, so they don't get run over every game?
I'm envisioning a scenario where, with blocking turned off, you can't avoid matching the same champ-tier 12-man for around half your games, whether you're searching solo or in a fireteam with 2.0 MMR players. It's almost like you need the matchmaker to account for the recent games played, and if a player (or team) has recently gone against higher or equal MMR teams, give them a chance to play lower MMR teams half the time also.
You probably also have this issue in ranked playlists now, where Onyx 1600 kids may be matching champ fireteams on the reg.
Excellent idea! Warzone and halo 5s population was much better off without so many restrictions or limits in terms of who matches who based on skill...Our Protagonist wrote:It's upsetting not to being able to match in Warzone at all, when it is well into the day (12:30pm EST). Warzone is not meant to be HCS, it is a social playlist. I am concerned this high prioritization of tight matchmaking is actually hastening the demise of the game as the most active "core" players are forced to leave.
Josh, do you think it might be a good idea to loosen the Player to Player MMR Gap for WZ, at least when the ability to restrict Team MMR Gap comes out? So a wider range of skills in the game, but the teams of 12 are still balanced. I obviously don't know the details of if that could work or not, but I'm hopeful that could be a solution that leads to balanced teams while still allowing high level players to match. I know there was never this issue of not finding WZ games during the day before the tighter MMR restrictions that went into effect last Monday.
And just so y'all know, whatever is causing the issue is not related to tighter MMR restrictions in WZ matchmaking. It's something else.Quote:We're aware of an issue affecting Warzone matchmaking, we have an update incoming, but no ETA yet.
Josh, if you haven't already, you might want to check on the number of matches being played per day (and at various times of day) since this latest update. I wonder, since a lot of the high-volume skilled WZ players can't find matches (and have left the playlist to some extent), if the total number of games played has gone down, even if more players are playing? That would also decrease MM quality i suspect.Our Protagonist wrote:It's upsetting not to being able to match in Warzone at all, when it is well into the day (12:30pm EST). Warzone is not meant to be HCS, it is a social playlist. I am concerned this high prioritization of tight matchmaking is actually hastening the demise of the game as the most active "core" players are forced to leave.
Sorry, but you're misinterpreting my whole point. Let me try again, and be more clear. Let's say I've got a WZ MMR of 2.0 (mine is probably a fair bit higher but let's just assume 2.0), and I'm playing solo or with a few 2.0 MMR friends in a fireteam. There's also a To12 (or maybe 9-10 people) searching together, who all have MMRs in the 5+ range, so they're much better than us. But the Matchmaking system treats them as having MMR 2.0 to find a game (Josh has said that's what happens), so all the people with actual 2.0 MMRs (including me and my fireteam) get pulled in to play in a match with the actual 5.0 kids in a fireteam. So the game ends up being a bunch of 2.0 MMR kids vs a bunch of 5.0 MMR kids, and it's a blowout (and knowing how some of these teams roll, quite possibly a farm).SKAVENGER368 wrote:Ranks offer a point of reference to skill, a way to measure yours against others.RzR J3ST3R wrote:Ranks aren't a thing in WZ. I don't understand your post.SKAVENGER368 wrote:How much different would this question sound if ranks weren't a thing?RzR J3ST3R wrote:Hi Josh,
If that change goes live where 12-man WZ fireteams are allowed, and top players are capped at a MMR of 2.0 for matching purposes, does that mean that if a champ-tier 12-man is searching (guys who all have MMRs in the 5.0+ range) is going to pull much weaker 2.0 MMR players into their game, every game? Say I'm a 2.0 MMR player, will I find myself pulled into this lobby against them for a large portion of my games? Obviously there's no getting around the fact that 2.0 MMR players are going to match them, sometimes, and that's fine. But will the 2.0 MMR players (or a 12-man of 2.0 MMR players) ALSO match against slightly lower skill players, so they don't get run over every game?
I'm envisioning a scenario where, with blocking turned off, you can't avoid matching the same champ-tier 12-man for around half your games, whether you're searching solo or in a fireteam with 2.0 MMR players. It's almost like you need the matchmaker to account for the recent games played, and if a player (or team) has recently gone against higher or equal MMR teams, give them a chance to play lower MMR teams half the time also.
You probably also have this issue in ranked playlists now, where Onyx 1600 kids may be matching champ fireteams on the reg.
Another reason as I've mentioned above. Ranks provided specific example of how good someone is which gets stigmatized by the entire community. So much so that most people don't desire to play against them.
Then in which case they smurf...thus making ranks irrelevant.
You mention ranks as a means to compare, but if they simply didmt exist you comment would probably look a lot like.
"I don't want to play good teams, some are obviously better than mine. My team is average, I'm an average player and now I can't block these better teams so I cant match teams more on my level. How can I avoid playing better players match after match"
But the problem is: everyone blocks anyone that beats them...period...
**not saying your saying that or intending that specifically...
Last night my fireteam (once it reached 4 members) could no longer find games in any social playlist or WZ (did not try ranked). We dropped each individual one at a time to see if it was a certain connection but it was not. We tried without party chat to no avail. If we searched solo we could find games immediately in any playlist.stckrboy wrote:To add to the above post:Quote:Yes, that's another issue affecting a few specific playlists that we are investigating right now, and not linked to any MMR changes.Quote:yep something's awry, folks have been working on it overnight. hoping they're able to get it sorted asap, thanks for flagging
I understand what your saying, and I know exactly what your talking about. I've been on the receiving end and lost...load back in pull the same team and still lose...at that point your like "forget these dudes"RzR J3ST3R wrote:Josh, if you haven't already, you might want to check on the number of matches being played per day (and at various times of day) since this latest update. I wonder, since a lot of the high-volume skilled WZ players can't find matches (and have left the playlist to some extent), if the total number of games played has gone down, even if more players are playing? That would also decrease MM quality i suspect.Our Protagonist wrote:It's upsetting not to being able to match in Warzone at all, when it is well into the day (12:30pm EST). Warzone is not meant to be HCS, it is a social playlist. I am concerned this high prioritization of tight matchmaking is actually hastening the demise of the game as the most active "core" players are forced to leave.Sorry, but you're misinterpreting my whole point. Let me try again, and be more clear. Let's say I've got a WZ MMR of 2.0 (mine is probably a fair bit higher but let's just assume 2.0), and I'm playing solo or with a few 2.0 MMR friends in a fireteam. There's also a To12 (or maybe 9-10 people) searching together, who all have MMRs in the 5+ range, so they're much better than us. But the Matchmaking system treats them as having MMR 2.0 to find a game (Josh has said that's what happens), so all the people with actual 2.0 MMRs (including me and my fireteam) get pulled in to play in a match with the actual 5.0 kids in a fireteam. So the game ends up being a bunch of 2.0 MMR kids vs a bunch of 5.0 MMR kids, and it's a blowout (and knowing how some of these teams roll, quite possibly a farm).SKAVENGER368 wrote:Ranks offer a point of reference to skill, a way to measure yours against others.RzR J3ST3R wrote:Ranks aren't a thing in WZ. I don't understand your post.SKAVENGER368 wrote:How much different would this question sound if ranks weren't a thing?RzR J3ST3R wrote:Hi Josh,
If that change goes live where 12-man WZ fireteams are allowed, and top players are capped at a MMR of 2.0 for matching purposes, does that mean that if a champ-tier 12-man is searching (guys who all have MMRs in the 5.0+ range) is going to pull much weaker 2.0 MMR players into their game, every game? Say I'm a 2.0 MMR player, will I find myself pulled into this lobby against them for a large portion of my games? Obviously there's no getting around the fact that 2.0 MMR players are going to match them, sometimes, and that's fine. But will the 2.0 MMR players (or a 12-man of 2.0 MMR players) ALSO match against slightly lower skill players, so they don't get run over every game?
I'm envisioning a scenario where, with blocking turned off, you can't avoid matching the same champ-tier 12-man for around half your games, whether you're searching solo or in a fireteam with 2.0 MMR players. It's almost like you need the matchmaker to account for the recent games played, and if a player (or team) has recently gone against higher or equal MMR teams, give them a chance to play lower MMR teams half the time also.
You probably also have this issue in ranked playlists now, where Onyx 1600 kids may be matching champ fireteams on the reg.
Another reason as I've mentioned above. Ranks provided specific example of how good someone is which gets stigmatized by the entire community. So much so that most people don't desire to play against them.
Then in which case they smurf...thus making ranks irrelevant.
You mention ranks as a means to compare, but if they simply didmt exist you comment would probably look a lot like.
"I don't want to play good teams, some are obviously better than mine. My team is average, I'm an average player and now I can't block these better teams so I cant match teams more on my level. How can I avoid playing better players match after match"
But the problem is: everyone blocks anyone that beats them...period...
**not saying your saying that or intending that specifically...
To a point, this is all expected, since even the 2.0 MMR kids are "good" and need to match other good people, so I expect we'd occasionally match those ultra-high MMR kids and get rocked. BUT, I'm wondering if 2.0 MMR kids (like me in this example) are going to get constantly pulled into mismatched games against big fireteams of 5.0 MMR kids, because those 5.0 guys can't find matches easily and me and my 2.0 MMR friends are the closest thing around, so we get shafted.
Just wondering if there's a mechanism so that we also get to play winnable games at least half the time.
Dr. Menke said there is going to be a maximum skill gap of 5.0 MMR between teams, or they just won't match. So you will have at least decent allies by necessity. Also the matchmaker only truncates MMR at 2.0 to select players, then balances the teams with full MMR.RzR J3ST3R wrote:Our Protagonist wrote:Sorry, but you're misinterpreting my whole point. Let me try again, and be more clear. Let's say I've got a WZ MMR of 2.0 (mine is probably a fair bit higher but let's just assume 2.0), and I'm playing solo or with a few 2.0 MMR friends in a fireteam. There's also a To12 (or maybe 9-10 people) searching together, who all have MMRs in the 5+ range, so they're much better than us. But the Matchmaking system treats them as having MMR 2.0 to find a game (Josh has said that's what happens), so all the people with actual 2.0 MMRs (including me and my fireteam) get pulled in to play in a match with the actual 5.0 kids in a fireteam. So the game ends up being a bunch of 2.0 MMR kids vs a bunch of 5.0 MMR kids, and it's a blowout (and knowing how some of these teams roll, quite possibly a farm).SKAVENGER368 wrote:
To a point, this is all expected, since even the 2.0 MMR kids are "good" and need to match other good people, so I expect we'd occasionally match those ultra-high MMR kids and get rocked. BUT, I'm wondering if 2.0 MMR kids (like me in this example) are going to get constantly pulled into mismatched games against big fireteams of 5.0 MMR kids, because those 5.0 guys can't find matches easily and me and my 2.0 MMR friends are the closest thing around, so we get shafted.
Just wondering if there's a mechanism so that we also get to play winnable games at least half the time.
I've searched expanded for the past two days and couldn't find a match for WZ, or WZA. I really hope this stuff gets fixed soon. At this point I really don't care who gets put on my team, as long as I can play the game.DenimxChicken wrote:I am currently solo queuing with expanded settings and cannot find a single game of warzone. I managed to join a warzone firefight, but have yet to find a warzone match. Is this an issue everyone is having?
On your main account do you play with a team in any playlist? Just wondering....Gamerboy1204993 wrote:I've searched expanded for the past two days and couldn't find a match for WZ, or WZA. I really hope this stuff gets fixed soon. At this point I really don't care who gets put on my team, as long as I can play the game.DenimxChicken wrote:I am currently solo queuing with expanded settings and cannot find a single game of warzone. I managed to join a warzone firefight, but have yet to find a warzone match. Is this an issue everyone is having?
Yes, I understand all this. But if a To12 is searching together, and all have MMR around 5.0, they will have an MMR of 24 (12*2) for matching purposes, even if their true MMR is 60 (12*5). Let's say there are only ~20 other players in the playlist with MMR greater than 2.0, while the To12 is searching. Will a subset of those 20 players with 2.0 MMR constantly match the To12, over and over?Our Protagonist wrote:Dr. Menke said there is going to be a maximum skill gap of 5.0 MMR between teams, or they just won't match. So you will have at least decent allies by necessity. Also the matchmaker only truncates MMR at 2.0 to select players, then balances the teams with full MMR.RzR J3ST3R wrote:Our Protagonist wrote:SKAVENGER368 wrote:
https://twitter.com/joshua_menke/status/907818007858003968
