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Okay we need to buff the BR. It kinda sucks to be honest, and it is objectively worse than the H5 magnum which has faster time to kill, fire rate, range, basically in every regard, so there is no reason to pick it up. I propose that instead of nerfing the magnum, we instead buff the BR. There are a couple ways to do this, which would all benefit it.

1. Bring back hitscan.
Yes, this may be an unpopular one but bringing back hitscan could actually probably help the BR a lot in being a mid range weapon, making it more deadly than the magnum while keeping the range in check.
2. Increase Range
This would easily help distinguish the BR from the magnum in gunfights, right now I can get outgunned by a magnum at a farther range than it can get a red reticle.
3. Increase Stability and Rate of Fire.
This would help make it a more stable firing platform and able to more easily beat other guns at medium range.

So what do you guys think? Good idea or bad idea?
This outlines everything they wrongly changed about the BR and what most players want to see changed (reverted is a better term realistically). I still don’t understand the thought process behind doing something so blatantly bad for the sandbox and then never fixing it after all the backlash. Unfortunately, they won’t change anything now because they did not plan the tunings properly. Everyone has moved on to Infinite so we’re stuck with things the way they are.
First of all I don't think Halo has ever been hitscan; they just assign a very high value to the bullet velocity so it seems like hitscan.

Second, did they change the BR bullet velocity with the tuning? I don't remember anything of the sort in the patch notes and I don't feel like I ever have to lead my shots.
tdenton120 wrote:
Okay we need to buff the BR. It kinda sucks to be honest, and it is objectively worse than the H5 magnum which has faster time to kill, fire rate, range, basically in every regard, so there is no reason to pick it up. I propose that instead of nerfing the magnum, we instead buff the BR. There are a couple ways to do this, which would all benefit it.

1. Bring back hitscan.
Yes, this may be an unpopular one but bringing back hitscan could actually probably help the BR a lot in being a mid range weapon, making it more deadly than the magnum while keeping the range in check.
2. Increase Range
This would easily help distinguish the BR from the magnum in gunfights, right now I can get outgunned by a magnum at a farther range than it can get a red reticle.
3. Increase Stability and Rate of Fire.
This would help make it a more stable firing platform and able to more easily beat other guns at medium range.

So what do you guys think? Good idea or bad idea?
Halo 5 bullets are hitscan except for projectiles such as rockets or plasma caster.
2. The range of the BR is in a good place at the moment. Buffing the range would take the BR out of it's desired ranges. It's supposed to be a mid range rifle similar but having a shorter range than the carbine.

3. Honestly the biggest issue with the BR is that it shoots in such a way that the gun "feels" bad. It's not so much of the RoF but rather the gun recoil and the fact that there is some random spread. If you took out both of those aspects I think the BR would feel much better without actually having to buff and handling or damage.
I definitely agree w/you to an extent OP. Although I wouldn't expect any changes to the BR (or any other weapon in Halo 5) for the duration of the game's life as 343 is focusing on Infinite.

One observation I have, most Halo 5 weapons, including the BR, are "hitscan" (except rockets, plasma caster, etc.). I say "hitscan" because technically they do have a velocity but it's extremely fast and in-game it's pretty much hitscan.
First of all I don't think Halo has ever been hitscan; they just assign a very high value to the bullet velocity so it seems like hitscan.
Halo 2, Halo Reach, Halo 4 and Halo 5 are hitscan.

OP - Halo 5 BR is hitscan. The pistol is intended as your utility weapon which is why it's the faster TTK.
First of all I don't think Halo has ever been hitscan; they just assign a very high value to the bullet velocity so it seems like hitscan.
Halo 2, Halo Reach, Halo 4 and Halo 5 are hitscan.

OP - Halo 5 BR is hitscan. The pistol is intended as your utility weapon which is why it's the faster TTK.
Why are there assigned values to bullet velocity in the raw game data? Also, when zoomed in twice with the sniper in H5 and shooting across Dispelled or Viking, I have had instances where the enemy player is moving quickly (from a lift or sprinting) and a red reticle shot will not always connect.
Also, when zoomed in twice with the sniper in H5 and shooting across Dispelled or Viking, I have had instances where the enemy player is moving quickly (from a lift or sprinting) and a red reticle shot will not always connect.
That's most likely a hit registration issue.
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Also, when zoomed in twice with the sniper in H5 and shooting across Dispelled or Viking, I have had instances where the enemy player is moving quickly (from a lift or sprinting) and a red reticle shot will not always connect.
That's most likely a hit registration issue.
It's not a registration issue. Double-zooming the sniper can still present a red reticle at the near-max range, but won't get the bullet magnetism. It actually seems like sniping outside RRR of single scoping, regardless of the reticle is red or not, has a vastly decreased bullet magnetism, which is fine.

I honestly don't know about Halo 2 ever being hits can, I'm pretty sure it was projectile as well. I DO know that from Reach and on has been hits can, because Bungie touted that as a way to make gameplay immensely more fair, albeit they introduced that garbage bloom mechanic with it.
I honestly don't know about Halo 2 ever being hits can, I'm pretty sure it was projectile as well. I DO know that from Reach and on has been hits can, because Bungie touted that as a way to make gameplay immensely more fair, albeit they introduced that garbage bloom mechanic with it.
Halo 2 is/was hitscan.
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tdenton120 wrote:
Okay we need to buff the BR. It kinda sucks to be honest, and it is objectively worse than the H5 magnum which has faster time to kill, fire rate, range, basically in every regard, so there is no reason to pick it up. I propose that instead of nerfing the magnum, we instead buff the BR. There are a couple ways to do this, which would all benefit it.

1. Bring back hitscan.
Yes, this may be an unpopular one but bringing back hitscan could actually probably help the BR a lot in being a mid range weapon, making it more deadly than the magnum while keeping the range in check.
2. Increase Range
This would easily help distinguish the BR from the magnum in gunfights, right now I can get outgunned by a magnum at a farther range than it can get a red reticle.
3. Increase Stability and Rate of Fire.
This would help make it a more stable firing platform and able to more easily beat other guns at medium range.

So what do you guys think? Good idea or bad idea?
Halo 5 bullets are hitscan except for projectiles such as rockets or plasma caster.
2. The range of the BR is in a good place at the moment. Buffing the range would take the BR out of it's desired ranges. It's supposed to be a mid range rifle similar but having a shorter range than the carbine.

3. Honestly the biggest issue with the BR is that it shoots in such a way that the gun "feels" bad. It's not so much of the RoF but rather the gun recoil and the fact that there is some random spread. If you took out both of those aspects I think the BR would feel much better without actually having to buff and handling or damage.
I have to disagree. The BR isn't that bad. Before the initial updates I was able to easily nail 7-8 perfects per game minimum. Now, I'm lucky if that's the max. My accuracy has dropped a tad overall, but the BR handles well. It's meant to be a tad shaky to help keep it's mid-range focus instead of trying to cross-map everybody. Within it's intended range, it functions well. It's not absurdly overpowered with magnetism like the H2 BR is (which honestly needs a bit of a tone-down there), so I really don't have much of an issue with it.

I still rely on it more than anything and because everyone else is seemingly so bad with it, I walk through a lot of players. To be completely honest, if you think it's bad, it's just because you relied too much on it's overpowered aiming before and can't adjust to the version now that requires you to be more accurate.
tdenton120 wrote:
Okay we need to buff the BR. It kinda sucks to be honest, and it is objectively worse than the H5 magnum which has faster time to kill, fire rate, range, basically in every regard, so there is no reason to pick it up. I propose that instead of nerfing the magnum, we instead buff the BR. There are a couple ways to do this, which would all benefit it.

1. Bring back hitscan.
Yes, this may be an unpopular one but bringing back hitscan could actually probably help the BR a lot in being a mid range weapon, making it more deadly than the magnum while keeping the range in check.
2. Increase Range
This would easily help distinguish the BR from the magnum in gunfights, right now I can get outgunned by a magnum at a farther range than it can get a red reticle.
3. Increase Stability and Rate of Fire.
This would help make it a more stable firing platform and able to more easily beat other guns at medium range.

So what do you guys think? Good idea or bad idea?
They need to nerf the pistol, so the AR, BR, and DMR are not so terrible.
First of all I don't think Halo has ever been hitscan; they just assign a very high value to the bullet velocity so it seems like hitscan.
Halo 2, Halo Reach, Halo 4 and Halo 5 are hitscan.

OP - Halo 5 BR is hitscan. The pistol is intended as your utility weapon which is why it's the faster TTK.
If the pistol is intended to be a utility weapon, why does it over-power most weapons? Commonly, the Assault Rifle and Battle Rifle.
Cwvj wrote:
First of all I don't think Halo has ever been hitscan; they just assign a very high value to the bullet velocity so it seems like hitscan.
Halo 2, Halo Reach, Halo 4 and Halo 5 are hitscan.

OP - Halo 5 BR is hitscan. The pistol is intended as your utility weapon which is why it's the faster TTK.
If the pistol is intended to be a utility weapon, why does it over-power most weapons? Commonly, the Assault Rifle and Battle Rifle.
Maybe I should've complied with Del Rio when he told me to arrest you if you don't know what a utility weapon is. Or, I could arrest you now for impersonating a war hero, Master Chief Petty "Zero."
Cwvj wrote:
First of all I don't think Halo has ever been hitscan; they just assign a very high value to the bullet velocity so it seems like hitscan.
Halo 2, Halo Reach, Halo 4 and Halo 5 are hitscan.

OP - Halo 5 BR is hitscan. The pistol is intended as your utility weapon which is why it's the faster TTK.
If the pistol is intended to be a utility weapon, why does it over-power most weapons? Commonly, the Assault Rifle and Battle Rifle.
Maybe I should've complied with Del Rio when he told me to arrest you if you don't know what a utility weapon is. Or, I could arrest you now for impersonating a war hero, Master Chief Petty "Zero."
People confuse utility with the property of being a sidearm. Most FPS games utilize pistol-type weapons as a backup sidearm. Halo 5 broke this trend and made it the go-to in many scenarios that a skilled hand can out-maneuver and kill opponents close to mid range that wield a variety of weapons.

The chief needs a break sometimes though. Don't be so harsh on him, Commander. 😉
QX wrote:
tdenton120 wrote:
Okay we need to buff the BR. It kinda sucks to be honest, and it is objectively worse than the H5 magnum which has faster time to kill, fire rate, range, basically in every regard, so there is no reason to pick it up. I propose that instead of nerfing the magnum, we instead buff the BR. There are a couple ways to do this, which would all benefit it.

1. Bring back hitscan.
Yes, this may be an unpopular one but bringing back hitscan could actually probably help the BR a lot in being a mid range weapon, making it more deadly than the magnum while keeping the range in check.
2. Increase Range
This would easily help distinguish the BR from the magnum in gunfights, right now I can get outgunned by a magnum at a farther range than it can get a red reticle.
3. Increase Stability and Rate of Fire.
This would help make it a more stable firing platform and able to more easily beat other guns at medium range.

So what do you guys think? Good idea or bad idea?
Halo 5 bullets are hitscan except for projectiles such as rockets or plasma caster.
2. The range of the BR is in a good place at the moment. Buffing the range would take the BR out of it's desired ranges. It's supposed to be a mid range rifle similar but having a shorter range than the carbine.

3. Honestly the biggest issue with the BR is that it shoots in such a way that the gun "feels" bad. It's not so much of the RoF but rather the gun recoil and the fact that there is some random spread. If you took out both of those aspects I think the BR would feel much better without actually having to buff and handling or dama
I have to disagree. The BR isn't that bad. Before the initial updates I was able to easily nail 7-8 perfects per game minimum. Now, I'm lucky if that's the max. My accuracy has dropped a tad overall, but the BR handles well. It's meant to be a tad shaky to help keep it's mid-range focus instead of trying to cross-map everybody. Within it's intended range, it functions well. It's not absurdly overpowered with magnetism like the H2 BR is (which honestly needs a bit of a tone-down there), so I really don't have much of an issue with it.

I still rely on it more than anything and because everyone else is seemingly so bad with it, I walk through a lot of players. To be completely honest, if you think it's bad, it's just because you relied too much on it's overpowered aiming before and can't adjust to the version now that requires you to be more accurate.
Cwvj wrote:
First of all I don't think Halo has ever been hitscan; they just assign a very high value to the bullet velocity so it seems like hitscan.
Halo 2, Halo Reach, Halo 4 and Halo 5 are hitscan.

OP - Halo 5 BR is hitscan. The pistol is intended as your utility weapon which is why it's the faster TTK.
If the pistol is intended to be a utility weapon, why does it over-power most weapons? Commonly, the Assault Rifle and Battle Rifle.
People confuse utility with the property of being a sidearm. Most FPS games utilize pistol-type weapons as a backup sidearm. Halo 5 broke this trend and made it the go-to in many scenarios that a skilled hand can out-maneuver and kill opponents close to mid range that wield a variety of weapons.

The chief needs a break sometimes though. Don't be so harsh on him, Commander. 😉
I have to agree with Co2 OUTBR3AK and MCP0 S117 John. I play Halo very often and honestly the battle rifle is in a pretty good place. It's really not that bad. I perform just fine with it. I do agree that its not what it used to be but it is definitely not broken. Back when it was over powered, I could use it just how I use the Halo 2 battle rifle today if not better. On top of that, there was no reason to use the carbine, DMR or even the light-rifle. The change was needed in my opinion even though I had a lot of fun with it. If you just practice enough with it you'll be fine and more consistent with it. Also as much as I like the pistol, it's gotten to a point where it's used to much in almost every playlist.
Cwvj wrote:
First of all I don't think Halo has ever been hitscan; they just assign a very high value to the bullet velocity so it seems like hitscan.
Halo 2, Halo Reach, Halo 4 and Halo 5 are hitscan.

OP - Halo 5 BR is hitscan. The pistol is intended as your utility weapon which is why it's the faster TTK.
If the pistol is intended to be a utility weapon, why does it over-power most weapons? Commonly, the Assault Rifle and Battle Rifle.
Maybe I should've complied with Del Rio when he told me to arrest you if you don't know what a utility weapon is. Or, I could arrest you now for impersonating a war hero, Master Chief Petty "Zero."
Whatever you think, “CMDR”.
Cwvj wrote:
Cwvj wrote:
First of all I don't think Halo has ever been hitscan; they just assign a very high value to the bullet velocity so it seems like hitscan.
Halo 2, Halo Reach, Halo 4 and Halo 5 are hitscan.

OP - Halo 5 BR is hitscan. The pistol is intended as your utility weapon which is why it's the faster TTK.
If the pistol is intended to be a utility weapon, why does it over-power most weapons? Commonly, the Assault Rifle and Battle Rifle.
Maybe I should've complied with Del Rio when he told me to arrest you if you don't know what a utility weapon is. Or, I could arrest you now for impersonating a war hero, Master Chief Petty "Zero."
Whatever you think, “CMDR”.
CMDR is the Naval abbreviation for Commander. Her rank is correct. :)
QX wrote:
tdenton120 wrote:
Okay we need to buff the BR. It kinda sucks to be honest, and it is objectively worse than the H5 magnum which has faster time to kill, fire rate, range, basically in every regard, so there is no reason to pick it up. I propose that instead of nerfing the magnum, we instead buff the BR. There are a couple ways to do this, which would all benefit it.

1. Bring back hitscan.
Yes, this may be an unpopular one but bringing back hitscan could actually probably help the BR a lot in being a mid range weapon, making it more deadly than the magnum while keeping the range in check.
2. Increase Range
This would easily help distinguish the BR from the magnum in gunfights, right now I can get outgunned by a magnum at a farther range than it can get a red reticle.
3. Increase Stability and Rate of Fire.
This would help make it a more stable firing platform and able to more easily beat other guns at medium range.

So what do you guys think? Good idea or bad idea?
Halo 5 bullets are hitscan except for projectiles such as rockets or plasma caster.
2. The range of the BR is in a good place at the moment. Buffing the range would take the BR out of it's desired ranges. It's supposed to be a mid range rifle similar but having a shorter range than the carbine.

3. Honestly the biggest issue with the BR is that it shoots in such a way that the gun "feels" bad. It's not so much of the RoF but rather the gun recoil and the fact that there is some random spread. If you took out both of those aspects I think the BR would feel much better without actually having to buff and handling or damage.
I have to disagree. The BR isn't that bad. Before the initial updates I was able to easily nail 7-8 perfects per game minimum. Now, I'm lucky if that's the max. My accuracy has dropped a tad overall, but the BR handles well. It's meant to be a tad shaky to help keep it's mid-range focus instead of trying to cross-map everybody. Within it's intended range, it functions well. It's not absurdly overpowered with magnetism like the H2 BR is (which honestly needs a bit of a tone-down there), so I really don't have much of an issue with it.

I still rely on it more than anything and because everyone else is seemingly so bad with it, I walk through a lot of players. To be completely honest, if you think it's bad, it's just because you relied too much on it's overpowered aiming before and can't adjust to the version now that requires you to be more accurate.
I mean I can still reliably use it. The issue is that it isn't better than the pistol or other weapons in any range.

There is zero reason to ever pick up a BR in HCS modes because your pistol is more reliable.

All 343 needed to do was change how strong the aim assist was at range to make it so that the BR wasn't a laser. Instead they introduced random spread which doesn't reward skill based gameplay.

The BR does not handle similarly compared to other weapons. It "feels" off to me which makes it less enjoyable to shoot. I would have much rather kept the same feeling it used to have and just make targets at range harder to hit.
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