[Locked] 343i's Incompetent Game Design is Killing Halo

GoatKurry wrote:

TodayFob226083 wrote:

>Play Halo 5 Guardians
>Suck at game and can't get any kills
>Go on forum to complain about how game sucks

You can't win with people like the OP. Same with the 194 people who liked his post filled with random ignorance, half-truths and disinformation. You all are really going out of your way to hate H5G and 343, hm?

I'm actually pretty good at the game, but sill would like to see sprint go. Clamber and thrust are the only two spartan abilities that I will stand behind. Ground pound and tackle are very risky and potentially useless during an evenly balanced match. 343 has done good with the campaign (I wouldn't mind if sprint was in the campaign), but for multiplayer... that is where they are lacking a bit. You have to really ask yourself why Halo 4's population decreased so much after the first 2 months, when Halo 3 had over a million players (more than COD 4 at the time) playing at once after a year the game already released.

The truth of the matter is Halo 5 multiplayer is changing too much all at once. If you gradually introduced these features over the course of the three games (Halo 4, 5, and 6), then there would probably be less backlash from the community. But as of now with Halo 5, there are too many changes to the core fundamental gameplay of Halo (Halo CE - Halo 3). Halo is not meant to be a fast-twitch type of shooter, which is more akin to Titanfall and COD. Halo is a steady paced shooter that rewards the chess like strategies between team players. With an ability like sprint, players can aimlessly run towards enemies, get hit, and then retreat and not really rely on their teammates. Sprint is a HUGE gameplay decision, especially for multiplayer and it should not be taken lightly.

Its a fact that spartan abilities killed the majority of the Halo multiplayer population and more specifically the competitive Halo scene. 343i is trying to appeal to the masses and draw the COD players into Halo. Halo should NEVER be like COD. The more features they have in common, the less people will ultimately continue to play Halo. That is why COD is released every single year, because the player base gets essentially bored of the game, which is exactly what happened to Halo 4. But when you look at Halo 3, you had loyal players playing till this day without a steep decline in the multiplayer population.

My advice to 343i...
(1) Don't introduce some many changes at once;
(2) Stop conforming to the general audience and the typical modern FPS;
(3) Respect your loyal fans who have made Halo 5 (and ultimately 343i) possible;

Do not forget the Purists that stuck with Halo since the beginning.

EyeOfMorality wrote:

GoatKurry wrote:

TodayFob226083 wrote:

>Play Halo 5 Guardians
>Suck at game and can't get any kills
>Go on forum to complain about how game sucks

You can't win with people like the OP. Same with the 194 people who liked his post filled with random ignorance, half-truths and disinformation. You all are really going out of your way to hate H5G and 343, hm?

I'm actually pretty good at the game, but sill would like to see sprint go. Clamber and thrust are the only two spartan abilities that I will stand behind. Ground pound and tackle are very risky and potentially useless during an evenly balanced match. 343 has done good with the campaign (I wouldn't mind if sprint was in the campaign), but for multiplayer... that is where they are lacking a bit. You have to really ask yourself why Halo 4's population decreased so much after the first 2 months, when Halo 3 had over a million players (more than COD 4 at the time) playing at once after a year the game already released.

The truth of the matter is Halo 5 multiplayer is changing too much all at once. If you gradually introduced these features over the course of the three games (Halo 4, 5, and 6), then there would probably be less backlash from the community. But as of now with Halo 5, there are too many changes to the core fundamental gameplay of Halo (Halo CE - Halo 3). Halo is not meant to be a fast-twitch type of shooter, which is more akin to Titanfall and COD. Halo is a steady paced shooter that rewards the chess like strategies between team players. With an ability like sprint, players can aimlessly run towards enemies, get hit, and then retreat and not really rely on their teammates. Sprint is a HUGE gameplay decision, especially for multiplayer and it should not be taken lightly.

Its a fact that spartan abilities killed the majority of the Halo multiplayer population and more specifically the competitive Halo scene. 343i is trying to appeal to the masses and draw the COD players into Halo. Halo should NEVER be like COD. The more features they have in common, the less people will ultimately continue to play Halo. That is why COD is released every single year, because the player base gets essentially bored of the game, which is exactly what happened to Halo 4. But when you look at Halo 3, you had loyal players playing till this day without a steep decline in the multiplayer population.

My advice to 343i...
(1) Don't introduce some many changes at once;
(2) Stop conforming to the general audience and the typical modern FPS;
(3) Respect your loyal fans who have made Halo 5 (and ultimately 343i) possible;

Do not forget the Purists that stuck with Halo since the beginning.

Only addressing your bottom 3 points only.

1) I'm going to be 22 in 2 months. If I had to wait 6-8 more years to get where halo 5 is now I'd be bored and done with halo before then.
2) I'll believe halo is conforming when it plays exactly like another shooter. Until then all that is is hyperbull to me.
3) Don't speak for others. I've been with halo since a year after halo CE's release. I don't feel disrespected. Neither do any of my friends who've been with halo almost as long as I have. 343 released the MCC. That literally is the definition of fan service. 343 respects the series as well as the loyal players. That is evidence enough. Just because halo 5 isn't the way some "loyalists" like doesn't mean they don't respect them.

Arkham wrote:

Verses Fatum wrote:

Soulburnin wrote:

BlankSphinx2421 wrote:

Sprint needs to go.

Essentially if h5 didnt have sprint it would be amazing. With its not worth a purchase.

I feel the opposite. I will not buy the game if they ditch sprint.

Now that's just stupid, you're gonna leave the entire game because one thing might be removed, how does that help anything, why not tell us why Sprint should still be in there and how it could be improved on.

But people saying they won't buy the game with sprint included isn't stupid? I believe I see a gap in logic here!

NecessaryEvil10 wrote:

So a super soldier shouldn't be able to run or be able to do anything with his powered up suit? I don't understand why you all just want the same game copied and pasted over and over again. If you want that, then go play CoD.

I love what they have brought to the table for Halo 5. There are some things that need fixed but that's what a Beta is for. Some of you are crucifying 343 and Halo 5 already and the game doesn't even release until the end of the year.

GoatKurry wrote:

EyeOfMorality wrote:

GoatKurry wrote:

TodayFob226083 wrote:

>Play Halo 5 Guardians
>Suck at game and can't get any kills
>Go on forum to complain about how game sucks

You can't win with people like the OP. Same with the 194 people who liked his post filled with random ignorance, half-truths and disinformation. You all are really going out of your way to hate H5G and 343, hm?

I'm actually pretty good at the game, but sill would like to see sprint go. Clamber and thrust are the only two spartan abilities that I will stand behind. Ground pound and tackle are very risky and potentially useless during an evenly balanced match. 343 has done good with the campaign (I wouldn't mind if sprint was in the campaign), but for multiplayer... that is where they are lacking a bit. You have to really ask yourself why Halo 4's population decreased so much after the first 2 months, when Halo 3 had over a million players (more than COD 4 at the time) playing at once after a year the game already released.

The truth of the matter is Halo 5 multiplayer is changing too much all at once. If you gradually introduced these features over the course of the three games (Halo 4, 5, and 6), then there would probably be less backlash from the community. But as of now with Halo 5, there are too many changes to the core fundamental gameplay of Halo (Halo CE - Halo 3). Halo is not meant to be a fast-twitch type of shooter, which is more akin to Titanfall and COD. Halo is a steady paced shooter that rewards the chess like strategies between team players. With an ability like sprint, players can aimlessly run towards enemies, get hit, and then retreat and not really rely on their teammates. Sprint is a HUGE gameplay decision, especially for multiplayer and it should not be taken lightly.

Its a fact that spartan abilities killed the majority of the Halo multiplayer population and more specifically the competitive Halo scene. 343i is trying to appeal to the masses and draw the COD players into Halo. Halo should NEVER be like COD. The more features they have in common, the less people will ultimately continue to play Halo. That is why COD is released every single year, because the player base gets essentially bored of the game, which is exactly what happened to Halo 4. But when you look at Halo 3, you had loyal players playing till this day without a steep decline in the multiplayer population.

My advice to 343i...
(1) Don't introduce some many changes at once;
(2) Stop conforming to the general audience and the typical modern FPS;
(3) Respect your loyal fans who have made Halo 5 (and ultimately 343i) possible;

Do not forget the Purists that stuck with Halo since the beginning.

Only addressing your bottom 3 points only.

1) I'm going to be 22 in 2 months. If I had to wait 6-8 more years to get where halo 5 is now I'd be bored and done with halo before then.
2) I'll believe halo is conforming when it plays exactly like another shooter. Until then all that is is hyperbull to me.
3) Don't speak for others. I've been with halo since a year after halo CE's release. I don't feel disrespected. Neither do any of my friends who've been with halo almost as long as I have. 343 released the MCC. That literally is the definition of fan service. 343 respects the series as well as the loyal players. That is evidence enough. Just because halo 5 isn't the way some "loyalists" like doesn't mean they don't respect them.

And me addressing your points:

(1) Good for you! And if they add all those changes in at once, the majority of the player base will leave and get bored by the second month after release, just like with Halo 4. If you look at the changes from Halo CE to Halo 2 to Halo 3... there was much change, but these changes were small that ultimately added up to give a new experience. Yes there were some dislikes, like the Halo 2 and Halo 3 pistol, the removal of the AR, but these changes were nothing compared to changing how the game actually played with sprint, spartan abilities, loadouts, TTK, etc. (ultimately leading to Halo 4's steep decline in multiplayer population, which I fear will happen again for Halo 5 if 343i continues down this path). However, I am not opposed to these drastic changes in single player, as it would make sense with the lore. But when it comes to multiplayer, 343i has to be careful which buttons to press.

(2) Isn't it on its way? LT to ADS ("Smart Scope"), sprint, quick TTKs, medal overload, power weapon callouts, fast-twitch gameplay, etc. It is slowly, but surely conforming to the modern day FPS, which is not what Halo was traditionally about. Halo 1-3 and even Reach at it's time were vastly unique from other shooters. With the recently released COD:AW with thruster packs and abilities, the gap is closing between Halo and the overtly bland gameplay style of the modern FPS.

(3) I'm not speaking for others, I'm speaking for myself based on the majority of the forums' comments. Besides, I just stated that 343i should "respect there loyal fans"... do you not agree with this?

Verses Fatum wrote:

Erik L wrote:

Verses Fatum wrote:

Erik L wrote:

Verses Fatum wrote:

Erik L wrote:

Verses Fatum wrote:

The C Milk wrote:

The last three posts were actually level headed and good ways to improve the game, not just complaining.

Well done guys I agree with a lot of your improvements/ideas.

Right now we have a bunch of mechanics that need fine tuning and admittedly Spartans need to feel a bit like Spartans again, I'm not bashing on Halo 1-3, but the Spartans felt more like a normal Marine in armor that was just there for protection and didn't feel like what you read about in the many books published by Bungie/343Industries.

How does couch jumping up to a ledge while simultaneously no-scoping somebody in the face, followed by immediately picking up their rocket launcher and blasting two more Spartans for a double kill, followed by a 180 degree turn to stick somebody with a plasma nade, followed by running across the map as you 4 shot somebody with the BR feel like a normal marine?
I mean, yeah, I do that everyday on my way to work.

Because that's something you can do in Call of Duty, you can easily do all that and yet they are these normal Marines.
These Spartans don't feel like Spartans except for in Halo 5, Halo 4 and Halo Reach

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not calling Halo 1-3 CoD, I'm just stating the Spartans we all read about in the books are lacking in that Spartan quality you loved to read up on, even the Spartan III's of Halo Reach didn't feel AT ALL like the Spartan III's you first heard about in Ghost of Onyx, where was all of that that we read about, a lot of people that I atleast know would have loved to actually been a Noble Six that was actually a Spartan III instead of a Spartan II with 3 slapped onto them

Then it's COD that isn't accurate. What kind of human, outside of Arnold, could do what I said??

And yes, the sniper was dropped for rocks... of course ;)

They honestly don't feel like Spartans to me, it was Halo, but not quite how I read about them in the books :P

Fair enough... But how does reducing base movement speed, adding Sprint and Thruster make you feel like a Spartan? It feels like I'm the same thing, basically. If the only difference between a Spartan and a regular human is that he can Sprint and Thrust? Not very impressive!

Because Spartans have had these long and rigorous training and augmentations to allow them to run faster (Kelly) and be a lot stronger then a normal human, in Halo 1-3 it didn't feel like I was fast like the Spartans I read about or strong like them, cause both an ODST and Spartan can use a Gravity Hammer like it weighs nothing, again, Spartans acted like a normal human, in Halo 5, I actually felt more like a Spartan should feel like.

Ferrous1081 wrote:

Regardless, I doubt 343i will even bother with our concerns and will continue to forge the game in their vision. I will play it anyway. I agree, it isn't like the old Halo games, but I mean, what can we do? I mean, honestly? Not everyone agrees with the whole 'Halo is dead' notion. They will still have a player base.