Ground Pounding on Vehicles

Saint Kurry wrote:

I just imagined a Spartan ground pounding a vehicle and ricocheting off into the distance Smash Bros-style.

In all seriousness, I understand what you're saying and I share your sentiment. We need bigger and more open BTB maps, and believe this will happen because Forge World is probably returning due to what we can see in the out of bounds zones in Orion and Pegasus. Hopefully a large, open Blood Gulch-like plain will be included.

KamikazePerro wrote:

Saint Kurry wrote:

I just imagined a Spartan ground pounding a vehicle and ricocheting off into the distance Smash Bros-style.

In all seriousness, I understand what you're saying and I share your sentiment. We need bigger and more open BTB maps, and believe this will happen because Forge World is probably returning due to what we can see in the out of bounds zones in Orion and Pegasus. Hopefully a large, open Blood Gulch-like plain will be included.

The out of bounds zones on Orion/Pegasus need to be a lot bigger to compare to Forge World

KamikazePerro wrote:

I'm sure this is a concern for everyone. How will the spartan ability of ground pound be balanced in BTB?
In Halo 4, vehicles were basically useless in BTB when everyone could spawn with a plasma pistol. Halo 5 won't have loadouts (thank the Prophets for that), but now everyone has the ground pound ability which looks like it could be very effective at taking out light vehicles. I'm not against spartan abilities, I think they're all very fun, and there are some advantages vehicles have (namely speed), but in the end there is only one way to balance this.

We need open maps. 343i's map design in Halo 4 was counterproductive in every position. Small maps had lines of sight that were too large, and big maps were all too tight. Vehicles didn't have much wiggle room, even on Exile. This made it easy for people to EMP vehicles in Halo 4 and it'll make it easy to ground pound them in Halo 5. What we need is open maps like Blood Gulch and Avalanche. Because vehicles change gameplay. Vehicles require a different strategy, more teamwork. This is what BTB is all about, but in Halo 4, it was glorified slayer. The only vehicles worth using were the Gausshog and the Mantis. I think this needs to be addressed. Thoughts?

Spartan 12124 wrote:

KamikazePerro wrote:

I'm sure this is a concern for everyone. How will the spartan ability of ground pound be balanced in BTB?
In Halo 4, vehicles were basically useless in BTB when everyone could spawn with a plasma pistol. Halo 5 won't have loadouts (thank the Prophets for that), but now everyone has the ground pound ability which looks like it could be very effective at taking out light vehicles. I'm not against spartan abilities, I think they're all very fun, and there are some advantages vehicles have (namely speed), but in the end there is only one way to balance this.

We need open maps. 343i's map design in Halo 4 was counterproductive in every position. Small maps had lines of sight that were too large, and big maps were all too tight. Vehicles didn't have much wiggle room, even on Exile. This made it easy for people to EMP vehicles in Halo 4 and it'll make it easy to ground pound them in Halo 5. What we need is open maps like Blood Gulch and Avalanche. Because vehicles change gameplay. Vehicles require a different strategy, more teamwork. This is what BTB is all about, but in Halo 4, it was glorified slayer. The only vehicles worth using were the Gausshog and the Mantis. I think this needs to be addressed. Thoughts?

Plasma pistol and groundpounding vehicles balances out the OP ness of vehicles.It's good to have counter measures against vehicles. Heck, the hardlight shield should have allowed for you to survive a vehicle trying to splatter you, alas it didn't.

Plus groundpounding requires good timing and percision it isn't easy. Don't forget that vehicles move faster than players so they will be harder targets to hit.

Saint Kurry wrote:

AUB0RN wrote:

I was thinking something along the lines of this:

Ground Pound:

In order to land a successful Ground Pound and survive, the player must land his Ground Pound on top, behind, or to the side of the vehicle. A Ground Pound that lands in front of the vehicle will result in a splatter (if the vehicle runs him over), however, the vehicle will still retain damage.

If the player lands on top of a vehicle the resulting damage/effect will be as follows:

Light Armored Vehicles (such as the Mongoose or Ghost): 1/2 of the vehicle’s health will be taken and the vehicle will dramatically slow down.

Medium Armored Vehicles (such as the Revenant or Warthog): 1/4 of the vehicle’s health will be taken and the vehicle will slow down a little.

Heavy Armored Vehicles (such as the Wraith or Scorpion): 1/8 of the vehicle’s health will be taken, however, the vehicle’s speed will not be affected.

If the player lands to the side or behind a vehicle the resulting damage/effect will be as follows:

Light Armored Vehicles (such as the Mongoose or Ghost): The vehicle will lose 1/3 of its health and will flip opposite of the player.

Medium Armored Vehicles (such as the Revenant or Warthog): The vehicle will lose 1/5 of its heath and will tip toward the opposite side of where the player landed.

Heavy Armored Vehicles (such as the Wraith or Scorpion): The vehicle will lose 1/10 of its health, however, it will not tip or flip.

Spartan Charge:

In order survive a Spartan Charge against a vehicle, the player must hit the side or the back of the vehicle. If the player charges the front of the vehicle he/she will be splattered (if the vehicle runs him over), however, the vehicle will take damage regardless. If a player Spartan Charges a vehicle the damage will result as follows:

Light Armored Vehicles (such as the Mongoose or Ghost): The vehicle will lose 1/4 of its health and will flip opposite of the player.

Medium Armored Vehicles (such as the Revenant or Warthog): The vehicle will lose 1/6 of its heath and will tip toward the opposite side of where the player landed the attack.

Heavy Armored Vehicles (such as the Wraith or Scorpion): The vehicle will lose 1/12 of its health, however, it will not tip or flip.

I think Spartan Charge should do the same amount of damage as a regular melee.

Silent W00lf wrote:

I think Josh Holmes said somewhere that a Ground Pound will significantly damage a Warthog but not destroy it, so I'd assume the same can be said for similar sized vehicles. A Mongoose, Ghost, or possibly Banshee would likely be destroyed by a Ground Pound, while a tank would only take a few scratches and maybe a dead gunner. So it won't be too overpowered, but it won't be totally useless at the same time. I'd also want to see a Spartan Charge able to flip light vehicles.

Shurifire wrote:

Josh Holmes shared an anecdote from testing where he disembarked a Banshee and Ground-Pounded a Scorpion (already damaged, by the way). So it does do damage. How much remains to be seen, but I guess it depends on the way the map is built. The more opportunities there are, the less damage it should do.
Although personally, I think it could be a good thing to make it a relatively powerful anti-armour weapon. The builds being worked on at 343i don't have a reticule for GP any more, as far as we know. Imagine how hard it'll be to hit a Ghost or Mongoose with one of those! A Scorpion is another matter, but a hit on a light, nippy vehicle should certainly be rewarded, unless you hit the front bumper, that is. I can picture it doing a decent bit of damage to a Warthog, but little to a Tank. Maybe if it was already on fire.