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#HUNTTHETRUTH Episode 8 Discussion Thread

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Yes it does, I believe Halsey discusses it at some point in time during Onyx. If not then it's somewhere else. I know I have read it I just can't remember where...
Also how do you know Cortana is gone? She doesn't need a physical data storage, she has proved that in Halo 4.
If you read my other post you can see my understanding of how Cortana might have escaped the destruction of the Didact's ship.
And even if 343 did bring Cortana back, I will definitely not protest silently if they decided to go for such a cheap option after giving her closure.
Neither would I. But she is one of the most loved video game characters of all time, I doubt that she will be gone for more than one game, if that.
And you're basing this "most loved" statistic on what, exactly? Because my experience says otherwise. Characters die in stories, and Cortana got closure to her story arc in 'Halo 4'. There is literally no good reason for her to come back - even most people who like the character seem to agree on this (check any poll/forum thread on here on the subject).

Also I have most of the Halo novels in PDF form - after searching I can confirm the words "metastable/metastability" do not come up anywhere in 'Ghosts of Onyx'.

Also the problem isn't about data storage (though I think you're incorrect anyway, as her data does need to be housed in some kind of physical object or system for her to function - that's how human-made AIs work). It's about the fact that she purged all of her data within the Didact's ship's systems in an attempt to slow it down, and was stuck in the Mantle's Approach when it was obliterated by a nuclear bomb. She even says herself that she used the last of her power to save the Chief from the explosion. You can't get past that. There's no way for her to have survived or escaped. She's been confirmed dead in every single official source since 'Halo 4'. End of story.
I apologize, that was my own assumption and biased opinion. There is no statistic that says Cortana is one of the most loved characters of all time (though I do want to believe she is in the top 100, I am to lazy to go back that claim up).

I am also basing this on personal preference, not majority vote, and if you have seen my other, more expansive post on my views, then you should be able to understand how I think Cortana could come back.

Metastability does exist in the Halo Universe, because I know I have seen the word in one of the books or heard it in one of the live-action or animated productions. (And to use the same card you pulled on me, check any Halo wiki you can find and without fail there will be a section, if not an entire page, on metastability.)

Yes I do agree with you that my idea of not physical storage is, while not completely impossible in the Halo universe (as opposed to ours which all data is stored on some sort of drive), is 99.9...% improbable. Though if she was to transfer herself to another data storage cache, say through superluminal travel in slipspace, it might be possible that she could still be alive.

And to counter her argument that she used the last of her power, how do we know that wasn't just one of her innumerable clones she generated to disable the Didact's hardlight shield?
Unless you can provide me with a concrete source, I will argue that metastability does not exist in canon in the Halo Universe. That section on metastability in the Halo Wiki is also completely unsourced, by the way - it's simply a vague theoretical concept that people have carried over from Bungie's ideas in 'Marathon'.

Why then would they even bother giving Cortana an entire character arc in 'Halo 4' about her accepting her "mortality"? Why even bother giving her a goodbye scene and then solidly confirming her death in every single piece of media since 'Halo 4' if, "Psyche, that was just a clone!" And how could an incomplete, rampant clone of Cortana possibly survive such an instance? They can't just regenerate their source code like some kind of digital-amoeba. Human-made AI's in Halo cannot simply recover from rampancy - this is stated flat-out in the game and in the books. Why break all those rules now? There's no reason for it. She was a character with a set expriation date from the beginning, and she went out in a wothy fashion. There's nothing more for her to do in the story that can't be done by characters who are not dead.
I would suggest you re-read Halsey's Personal Journal. Metastability may not exist as a concrete state, but it certainly exists as an abstract, theoretical idea. Dr. Halsey theorized at least two ways that an AI could reach Metastability. Even if she did not specifically use the word, the idea still remains.
I'm getting increasingly confused as to why you are debating the existence of metastability in the Halo Universe. Metastability exists as a theory in our universe, so why wouldn't it exist in Halo? As Cor Tenebrae 19 (loosely) said, it may not be possible for an AI to be metastable as far as 2557+ era scientist know, but that doesn't mean it isn't possible.
Master Chief did not do any of this.ONI wants to justify going after master chief, so that when he gets killed off the public will be happy.
BSHADY wrote:
Master Chief did not do any of this.ONI wants to justify going after master chief, so that when he gets killed off the public will be happy.
I still think that the Chief was not involved in this incident and that the video footage was a fabrication...but I don't believe ONI is behind this. Judging by FERO's comments and their intense desire to take down ONI, it's shaping up to be a plot of the rebels, more likely.
All was need now is a QTE in Halo 5 of the Master Chief Karate Chopping a meteor out of the sky.
BSHADY wrote:
Master Chief did not do any of this.ONI wants to justify going after master chief, so that when he gets killed off the public will be happy.
I still think that the Chief was not involved in this incident and that the video footage was a fabrication...but I don't believe ONI is behind this. Judging by FERO's comments and their intense desire to take down ONI, it's shaping up to be a plot of the rebels, more likely.
Is the possibility of Superdickery ruled out completely? Is is still possible the human delegation was hostile for whatever reason?
BSHADY wrote:
Master Chief did not do any of this.ONI wants to justify going after master chief, so that when he gets killed off the public will be happy.
I still think that the Chief was not involved in this incident and that the video footage was a fabrication...but I don't believe ONI is behind this. Judging by FERO's comments and their intense desire to take down ONI, it's shaping up to be a plot of the rebels, more likely.
Is the possibility of Superdickery ruled out completely? Is is still possible the human delegation was hostile for whatever reason?
(Lol. I like your terminology. XD)

Well according to how Ben describes the footage, it just shows the Chief busting in and firing on the assembly "seemingly unprovoked". Something just isn't right here.
BSHADY wrote:
Master Chief did not do any of this.ONI wants to justify going after master chief, so that when he gets killed off the public will be happy.
I still think that the Chief was not involved in this incident and that the video footage was a fabrication...but I don't believe ONI is behind this. Judging by FERO's comments and their intense desire to take down ONI, it's shaping up to be a plot of the rebels, more likely.
Is the possibility of Superdickery ruled out completely? Is is still possible the human delegation was hostile for whatever reason?
(Lol. I like your terminology. XD)

Well according to how Ben describes the footage, it just shows the Chief busting in and firing on the assembly "seemingly unprovoked". Something just isn't right here.
Straight from TVtropes, haha.

If FERO is indeed telling the truth and John did let loose, the most likely possibility other than just pure insanity on the Chief's part is that the delegation was not as it seemed to be.
BSHADY wrote:
Master Chief did not do any of this.ONI wants to justify going after master chief, so that when he gets killed off the public will be happy.
I still think that the Chief was not involved in this incident and that the video footage was a fabrication...but I don't believe ONI is behind this. Judging by FERO's comments and their intense desire to take down ONI, it's shaping up to be a plot of the rebels, more likely.
Is the possibility of Superdickery ruled out completely? Is is still possible the human delegation was hostile for whatever reason?
(Lol. I like your terminology. XD)

Well according to how Ben describes the footage, it just shows the Chief busting in and firing on the assembly "seemingly unprovoked". Something just isn't right here.
Straight from TVtropes, haha.

If FERO is indeed telling the truth and John did let loose, the most likely possibility other than just pure insanity on the Chief's part is that the delegation was not as it seemed to be.
That's basically how I see it. I believe that in the end that one important human delegate was killed, but the situation surrounding that is one of two things:
1.) The footage (and possibly the "peace conference" as well) was entirely fabricated, and this is all part of a plot to reignite rebellion in the outer colonies and take down ONI.
2.) The footage is real, BUT the situation as FERO tells it is completely wrong. Something about this meeting was highly important and dangerous enough for the Chief to attack with lethal force and extract the aliens and the human ambassador. And as you mentioned, the people he gunned down were likely not "innocent civilians".
I still think the question they're trying to ask here isn't whether Chief did or didn't do that. The question is why Chief did what he's being accused of.

After raising all the conversation with questions like:

"Master Chief – beloved hero of the Halo universe – is accused of atrocities, calling his allegiance into question. Did he turn his back on those he swore to protect? What could have pushed him over the edge to turn his back on his lifelong duty?"

-and then just saying that "It was staged/a fraud, Chief is still just as pure, innocent and one-sided heroic savior of all as ever"--- what will be gained? What does the overall story gain? What do the characters in terms of development and moral dilemmas gain? Not a whole lot in my opinion.

Naturally there's more to the situation than we're led to believe. Chief had his motivations we are currently unaware about. But just making this a complete lie would seriously undermine the entire purpose of Hunt the Truth. From the very beginning we have been asked what do we really know about Master Chief. If the answer to that question us that Chief is still the storybook hero who's able to save everyone without sacrificing anything-- someone who all people can look at and without any doubt say that he's always doing what's right for everyone, I will be left disappointed.

Besides, best lies always have truth on them.

Real(istic) heroes should be forced to make sacrifices- and not just pure, heroic ones. There is always some controversy around people who make massive decisions.
I think the peace talks were a trap set by ONI to kill the alien leaders. Maybe even as far as spreading the virus detailed in The Thursday War. Chief, as the new protector of the Mantle, wants to keep the peace- so he stops by and tries to end it. Which leads ONI to open fire and Chief to kill them, and escort the aliens away.

I think we're going to play that in an in game mission.
BSHADY wrote:
Master Chief did not do any of this.ONI wants to justify going after master chief, so that when he gets killed off the public will be happy.
I still think that the Chief was not involved in this incident and that the video footage was a fabrication...but I don't believe ONI is behind this. Judging by FERO's comments and their intense desire to take down ONI, it's shaping up to be a plot of the rebels, more likely.
Is the possibility of Superdickery ruled out completely? Is is still possible the human delegation was hostile for whatever reason?
(Lol. I like your terminology. XD)

Well according to how Ben describes the footage, it just shows the Chief busting in and firing on the assembly "seemingly unprovoked". Something just isn't right here.
Straight from TVtropes, haha.

If FERO is indeed telling the truth and John did let loose, the most likely possibility other than just pure insanity on the Chief's part is that the delegation was not as it seemed to be.
That's basically how I see it. I believe that in the end that one important human delegate was killed, but the situation surrounding that is one of two things:
1.) The footage (and possibly the "peace conference" as well) was entirely fabricated, and this is all part of a plot to reignite rebellion in the outer colonies and take down ONI.
2.) The footage is real, BUT the situation as FERO tells it is completely wrong. Something about this meeting was highly important and dangerous enough for the Chief to attack with lethal force and extract the aliens and the human ambassador. And as you mentioned, the people he gunned down were likely not "innocent civilians".
Now raises the question of whether the death of the human ambassador was part of the plan, or was it a failed objective on Chief's part?
You guys know the fun part is 343 is reading the forums right now and seeing all of us react to the latest episode of Hunt the Truth. Why 343, why are you guys so cruel?

I have to say this podcast turned out to be whole lot of intrigue and messing around with us, the knowledge of Master Chief that we all know for a decade, all of sudden, twisted and defaced.

I can't wait to see what happens in the next episode.

343 you better give us awesome E3 show!
And FERO isn't Halsey. Could she be Petra? The voices are a bit similar. Also, FERO only started helping Ben after Petra stopped helping. Thoughts?
BSHADY wrote:
Master Chief did not do any of this.ONI wants to justify going after master chief, so that when he gets killed off the public will be happy.
I still think that the Chief was not involved in this incident and that the video footage was a fabrication...but I don't believe ONI is behind this. Judging by FERO's comments and their intense desire to take down ONI, it's shaping up to be a plot of the rebels, more likely.
Is the possibility of Superdickery ruled out completely? Is is still possible the human delegation was hostile for whatever reason?
(Lol. I like your terminology. XD)

Well according to how Ben describes the footage, it just shows the Chief busting in and firing on the assembly "seemingly unprovoked". Something just isn't right here.
Straight from TVtropes, haha.

If FERO is indeed telling the truth and John did let loose, the most likely possibility other than just pure insanity on the Chief's part is that the delegation was not as it seemed to be.
That's basically how I see it. I believe that in the end that one important human delegate was killed, but the situation surrounding that is one of two things:
1.) The footage (and possibly the "peace conference" as well) was entirely fabricated, and this is all part of a plot to reignite rebellion in the outer colonies and take down ONI.
2.) The footage is real, BUT the situation as FERO tells it is completely wrong. Something about this meeting was highly important and dangerous enough for the Chief to attack with lethal force and extract the aliens and the human ambassador. And as you mentioned, the people he gunned down were likely not "innocent civilians".
Now raises the question of whether the death of the human ambassador was part of the plan, or was it a failed objective on Chief's part?
Probably not part of the plan. Killed in the crossfire.
Could it possibly be simple? This is civilian look on the matter.
Could it possibly be insurrectionists doing the peace treaty with certain aliens? Could be very bad for the inner worlds.
Remember in the books some aliens and humans live on the same planet its mostly outlaws tho.

So could be an Oni mission now "leaked" 10 days before now gone rogue, did he learn something from the human ambassador? This is one side of the story likely taking him an ambush could arose or needing information from him? Many many questions left unanswered due to only a leaked side of a larger story.

Big picture is missing
And FERO isn't Halsey. Could she be Petra? The voices are a bit similar. Also, FERO only started helping Ben after Petra stopped helping. Thoughts?
Possible, but she does sound familiar too familiar... its bugging me lol when i hear fero
Despite the almost unanimous vote that Cortana is dead, I have a nagging feeling that she is connected to FERO... somehow, someway...
FERO
Finding Extreme Relativistic Objects

.1. Of or relating to relativism.
2. Physics
A. Of, relating to, or resulting from speeds approaching the speed of light: relativistic increase in mass.
B. Having to do with or based on the theory of relativity:
KoreVirus wrote:
FERO
Finding Extreme Relativistic Objects

.1. Of or relating to relativism.
2. Physics
A. Of, relating to, or resulting from speeds approaching the speed of light: relativistic increase in mass.
B. Having to do with or based on the theory of relativity:
Or it could be Latin. Fero, by Google Translate, means wild, crazy, rampant. Another meaning could be "to bear, to carry, to hold up, etc." But my favorite is "to endure"
My friend and I were just discussing this, and we think we figured out what happened.

Now, isn't it convenient how FERO tells Ben that they need to make the public flip their Yoink so the high ranking UEGs can argue with ONI, then the very next freaking day, that exact thing happens? Coincidence? And now we know FERO is a rebel leader?

So, we're thinking that the Humans that the Master Chief killed were rebels, and they were going to ruin the peace talks with the aliens, and possibly thus cause massive chaos between the two species. So to prevent worse chaos, the Chief caused lesser chaos.
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