I think what KungFu Obama was getting at is how the stereotypical anti343 crowd's logic regarding 343i's take on Halo is copying CoD is inherently flawed.
I love posts like this.
What's more shocking to fans is that they don't own the property. They and a hundred other rotating yellers in the forums each spent exactly what millions of others spent...and they somehow think Their IP is being mishandled and that their opinions carry actual weight.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY THE GAME IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT! Shocking!! Right?
Yes, I like classic Halo, I've played it a lot. Thing is though, I want a Halo that perfect what the classics did, I want an improved classic Halo game, not one that goes the "modern" trend path, not a Halo that implements features because other games are having them. So, yes, in your words, Classic Halo will only get me so far, now I'm waiting for the continuation.
You're free to like all the change you like, but to go out and bash others in a negative manner for what they like and want, what are you trying to do? Now okay, you want to make out the majority as hypocrits for bashing CoD for the same content every year while wanting the same Halo every time, no? Can you provide examples of such events? Where someone wants classic Halo back as it was then and then bash CoD for rereleasing the same stuff? Or perhaps you don't know what they want, you just assume it, you disagree with it and try to make them out to be regressive and negative haters becausr you're afraid it may actually happen. As such you try to make those who you agree with out as haters, make them seem negative so less people will listen to them, in hopes of i343 looking at them, your post and goes, oh he's right, we can't listen to that guy, this guy says he's a hater, or scare / push people you disagree with away.
Of course, you may not be doing this, I'm just generalising and assuming in the same manner you are about classic fans who want classic Halo back for the new Halo.
So what are classic Halo fans trying to ruin for others? Wanting a more classic Halo for the next game? That would ruin it for those who like how it is now?
Didn't you tell those who dislike the game to not buy it? Isn't not wanting to have a classic halo game for the next Halo the same to classic fans as you make it out to be when classic Halo fans want classic Halo and what it'll ruin for others? How would anything you say now be any different but tables turned if i343 made a Classic Oriented Halo for their next Halo game?
Perhaps some of us classic Halo fans are passionate about Halo, and we want to see a Halo we like? There are things to appreciate in Halo 5, there were things to appreciate in Halo 4 even. Do you think we should have a list of things we appreciate that we copy paste every time we post some critisism?
Generally, anti-343i crowd states that Halo is going down the drain because they claim that 343i is obsessed with copying other franchises with respect to enhanced movements/abilities. They typically state Call of Duty, and we can all agree that Call of Duty is known for having annual releases that have little variation between each installment. They then go on to say that when Halo takes similar measures, Halo is being stale and unoriginal.
So, if you look at Halo reverting to the classic movements/abilities, he is arguing that Halo would be doing EXACTLY what the anti-343i crowd hates about CoD: not changing much between iterations and not being original.
Logically, you can not condemn nor support either perspective. It is all about having fun, which is highly subjective, therefore he is saying if you do not like the new Halos, either don't buy them and/or keep playing the original games.
EDIT: Sorry for derailing, OP.
And I in turn was getting at how
he was putting what he was trying to get at.
Pretty much a cop out blanket statement and generalisations about people who criticise nu-Halo and i343.
-Go play the old Halos
-Don't buy the games
-Stop trying to ruin what I like
Let's move on to CoD vs Halo.
Halo copies CoD mechanics for gameplay: Halo is stale and unoriginal, claim
CoD releases annually with little changes between each iteration: CoD is stale and unoriginal, claim
Gameplay, as in the first one, is not the same as "release practices", second one.
However, there's a continued part.
Halo goes back to older mechanics and little changes between iteration: Halo is stale and unoriginal, claim
One is a reference towards general gameplay, the first one, if all games converge on a similar path, then most games pretty much become stale and unoriginal because there are so many of them.
The second, annual releases with little changes is another completely different issue, that's oversaturating. The claim is that CoD is stale and boring because it releases so fast with smaller changes each time, however note that it is still doing good population wise.
Had CoD not released annually, or perhaps stayed with a different release idea for the games, past, present and future games, instead of future, future, future, then we'd see a different attitude towards it, even with only smaller changes done.
Either way, the issue people have with Halo copying things is not the same issue others want them to have, because it has been ages since I've seen any "anti-nu-Halo-person" bash CoD for being the same. To me, Halo is stale and original for an entirely different reason than why others believe CoD is stale and unoriginal, but the latter belief is put in my mouth if I say Halo is getting stale and original because it is copying CoD, and following is the third argument, that if Halo goes back to what it did, classic Halo, it in turn becomes CoD (not in gameplay but release practice), which would make it CoD. I get words put in my mouth through some non-related issues and I'm suddenly contradicting myself according to those who disagree with me. I don't know about others but to me, gameplay =/= release practices.
If I say I don't want Halo to turn into CoD, and want Halo classic gameplay. I mean that I want Halo to stop copying CoD in terms of gameplay.
On the other hand, if Halo adopted CoD's release practices, it still wouldn't be CoD because it probably wouldn't play like CoD either way.
Huge difference, but as I said, they're made the same by those who disagree with me.
There is no paradox, there is only misunderstanding.