The community is misinformed

OpaqueJaguar286 wrote:

Arc Trooper 48 wrote:

Justima wrote:

Arc Trooper 48 wrote:

Justima wrote:

Arc Trooper 48 wrote:

Justima wrote:

Arc Trooper 48 wrote:

Justima wrote:

Arc Trooper 48 wrote:

Justima wrote:

Cobalt Sir wrote:

Justima wrote:

Are you speaking the truth? Almost all of your lists are assumption like the opposite. No proof or evidence showed.

He doesn't have to lol.

It's he can't do it, because there is no evidence.

Remember, what in the bold is what people believe that is either not true, or not proven to be true. The rest is my opinions.

You are stating they are wrong without any evidence that supports your claim of people who think that way is wrong. You are stating they are wrong, which means you are stating the opposite is the truth. "People believe 343 cares about only money" and you instantly went saying they are absolutely wrong. No evidence has proven that 343 cares or doesn't care about money. Those people could be right or wrong. However, you are saying they are completely wrong and saying it as a fact. Let people believe that way from what they have seen.

We'll use your example. Claiming "343 only cares about money" is generalizing the entire company at 343. Because I can already think of one guy and have him actually prove to you that he cares, that makes the statement false. Plus, usually most of the devs care about the game. That's why they chose to work there in the first place. Anything else you want me to explain to you? I'd be much happier if we agreed on this.

You never know. Who doesn't care about money anyway. Isn't that why they are selling games and adding micro-transaction? I am sure that the entire 343 employees care about money and that is why they are there. No money, hard life. Anyway, whether they do care about or not, you can't prove you are right on someone's statement is true or false. This is my main point.

Do you want to ask Drell Assassin if he cares? All of 343 care about money. They just don't ONLY care about money. Yes I can prove their statements false by using facts. I can also tell them that what they are saying is not proven to be true and there is no evidence to back them up.

Again, you can't say they are completely wrong. People made assumptions based on what they saw. There is no problem with that, making on assumption based on facts is what they did. Yes, their statements are not proven to be true, but those are inference. The problem is you don't have those facts to show those people are wrong. Go ahead and ask him, just think this in your mind that not all people are honest.

No I cannot. Of course there are those who don't care about the franchise, but there are many that do. Their statement that generalizes 343 is not true. I forget which halo Drell started at, but it was one of the classics, and he specifically wanted to work on halo. Does that not prove that he cares? If not him, then Unyshek. He was also a community member who wanted to work on halo, so he joined 343. Those are just 2 valid examples that you can't deny. In my OP, what do agree with?

You are not getting the point. "The statement that generalizes 343 is not true," do you have an evidence for this?

I also don't think that all 343 employees care about money over the franchise's quality, but we can't say it as a fact.

I disagree with every point you made.

Yes I do have proof! Community members turned 343 employees is proof! Drell Assassin, Justima here needs proof that at least one 343 employee cares about halo (and yes it can be you). From the few months working at 343, how much of the company would say cares about the halo franchise? If you don't want to answer it and just say you definitely care, then that's fine. If this isn't proof, Justima, then I don't know what is.

You disagree with every point I made? So you think that halo 5 has a small number of maps? You think every set of Reach armor is better than every set of halo 5 armor? You think that every time someone claims they get farmed once out of every three games, they actually know what farming means and you believe them? You think that halo 5 has a low number of playlists? You think halo 5's sprint speed is halo 3's BMS? You think halo 5's updates were all cut content? Come on, Justima. You're getting to the point of unreasonable. I know you prefer the classic games, but that doesn't mean you have to hate on 343 for literally everything.

Guess what? The earth is flat. I said this so it is proof it's true. I'm not claiming 343 does or doesn't care about the software they create. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with anything written within this thread either. But if you think you provided loads of support for anything contained in your opening post, much of which is highly subjective, you're misinformed.

I'm equal parts amused and confused at the amount of conflicting information here.

In your first "point", if you want to call it that, you label the claim 343 only cares about money to be false, point out this statement is a generalization and, immediately after, indicate it is true of Microsoft. I find this odd, to put it politely. In the cut content bit you claim there is no evidence to support the notion the updates were cut content. You then "guess" only 5% of the updates were cut content. I'll admit this certainly provided a good laugh.

At one point you provide support for one of your points by saying you are too lazy to find evidence but know it to be factually true and someone tested it. You sound very convincing. By the way, the earth is flat. I won't bother providing any evidence for this fact. You'll just have to take my word for it. Some guy tested it. Do you believe me?

Look, much of the rage spewed over aspects of H5 goes a bit too far. Many of the comments/threads on waypoint are nothing more than people venting. But this entire thread is no better. In fact, it really only serves to instigate (surprised it isn't locked TBH, but we won't go there).

Arc Trooper 48 wrote:

Time and time again I have seen people just spit out stuff that isn't even true and it ticks me off when people actually believe it. To inform the community a bit more, I have compiled a list of things I have seen around the community that is not true or is not proven to be true. If you don't want to read everything below, then just read what's in the quotes and bold. Edit: What is bolded and underlined is what I have heard people say that is not true or not proven to be true. The paragraph supporting it is my own take on it with some facts thrown in.

"343 don't care about you only your money." This is definitely not true. When you say that, you are generalizing a huge amount of people. If you said that about Microsoft, I'd probably agree, but you're not. Generally speaking, most of the employees working on a game usually care about the game.

"There are a small number of maps in halo 5." Here's a link for all/most of the maps in halo 5. Yes, some are exclusive to warzone, breakout, and BTB, but there's still a ton of maps.

"All the Reach armor is better than the halo 5 armor." Reach had its fair share of crap armor. Yes, there's a hell of a lot more crap armor in halo 5, but there's a hell of a lot more armor in general in halo 5. You honestly could probably find as many armors that you like in halo 5 as Reach (at least if you take off your nostalgia goggles).

"Hidden ranks make social playlists competitive." one of the reasons people play competitively is to boost their rank. If there's no rank, then there's no incentive to play competitively. Yes, you can play competitively in social modes still, but that isn't exclusive to halo 5. Plus, if there were no ranks, then onyxs could play bronzes, and we don't want that to happen.

"Halo CE-3 didn't copy any mechanics from other games while halo 5 does." Halo CE's formula was ripped straight out of Doom, quake, and unreal tournament, but no one complained about that. Halo 5 then uses thruster pack (which halo 4 started), ADS (which is technically just the old zoom with a different paint job), and sprint, and everyone says halo is CoD.

"343 are lazy." It may seem like that with all the forge and remixed maps, but don't forget Bungie used a ton of assets from the game to the point of having entire maps just be part of a level. Bungie made MP maps then just made them sections in the campaign. It's not laziness, it's managing time and resources.

"343 lied to us in the marketing." No, Microsoft lied to us in the marketing. They do the marketing, not 343.

"The WZFF prometheans are the same as the campaign prometheans." Edit: This is the only one that's not a direct quote. What I was trying to say was that people hate the prometheans because they're bullet sponges, when they're really only bullet sponges in warzone. The firefight prometheans are bullet sponges. The campaign prometheans are not and are pretty fun to fight. They could be better though.

"Halo 5 has a massive amount of bullet magnetism." Halo 5 has a lot of aim assist, but little magnetism. There's a big difference. in case you don't know, halo 2 and 3 has a massive amount of magnetism considering the movement system.

"Warzone was a failure." You may not like it, but that doesn't mean it was a failure. The last time they showed us the most popular playlists (last Christmas), warzone was #1 and it has only improved.

"Halo 5 has a small amount of playlists." At launch, yes. Now, no. Halo 5 has as many playlist right now as halo 3 ended with (14 playlists), so to say halo 5 has a small amount of playlists is basically saying halo 3 has a small amount of playlists.

"Halo 5 has a low population." It's not great, but it's not bad. Halo 5 still has a steady population and I can still find games as fast as I could on day 1.

"Halo 5 is a twitch shooter." Calling halo 5 a twitch shooter is like calling ce a twitch shooter. There's a low TTK in both games, but none qualify as a twitch shooter.

"343 doesn't care to casual players and halo 5 is too competitive." At launch, I would have agreed, but now I do not. Currently, there are 6 ranked playlists and 8 social playlists. So tell me again how it caters towards competitive players?

"Halo 5's updates were cut content." There is no proof of this at all and no evidence to support it, so stop thinking this. There is evidence that halo 5 had a troubled development and didn't get to finish everything on time though. I'm sure some was cut (my guess is 5%), but definitely not all of it.

"Halo 5's sprint speed is halo 3's BMS." I'm too lazy to search up evidence, but I know for a fact that this isn't true and that someone actually tested it.

"Halo 5's servers are awful in the US." They are not the best, but as an American player, I can tell you that they are by no means bad. It may be different for U.K. players, but here in the US it's fine. If you are having a problem in the US, it's probably your connection.

I hope you guys found this informative and if you see anyone who claims any of these are true, make sure you bring down the facts on them :)

Edit: Here are two more that was suggested to be added on the list.

From VirtualMark: "The Graphics in Halo 3 are better than Halo 5." Incorrect - the graphics in Halo 5 are far superior to any of the older titles. Higher resolution, more detailed textures, more detailed geometry, better lighting, better effects, the list goes on. Halo 5 was designed for the Xbox One, whereas older titles were designed for the Xbox 360. The One is far superior to the 360, so there's no way the graphics on older titles are better.

From Hot Juicy Pie (this is not a direct quote BTW): "People get famed often in Warzone." When you think you get farmed, it probably wasn't farming. It was probably just you getting demolished by an enemy team. Farming is where the enemy team has ample opportunity to take out the core, but instead they kill you with fun weapons and make sure you can never leave your home base.

Forger Zeus wrote:

Arc Trooper 48 wrote:

Time and time again I have seen people just spit out stuff that isn't even true and it ticks me off when people actually believe it. To inform the community a bit more, I have compiled a list of things I have seen around the community that is not true or is not proven to be true. If you don't want to read everything below, then just read what's in the quotes and bold. Edit: What is bolded and underlined is what I have heard people say that is not true or not proven to be true. The paragraph supporting it is my own take on it with some facts thrown in.

"343 don't care about you only your money." This is definitely not true. When you say that, you are generalizing a huge amount of people. If you said that about Microsoft, I'd probably agree, but you're not. Generally speaking, most of the employees working on a game usually care about the game.

"There are a small number of maps in halo 5." Here's a link for all/most of the maps in halo 5. Yes, some are exclusive to warzone, breakout, and BTB, but there's still a ton of maps.

"All the Reach armor is better than the halo 5 armor." Reach had its fair share of crap armor. Yes, there's a hell of a lot more crap armor in halo 5, but there's a hell of a lot more armor in general in halo 5. You honestly could probably find as many armors that you like in halo 5 as Reach (at least if you take off your nostalgia goggles).

"Hidden ranks make social playlists competitive." one of the reasons people play competitively is to boost their rank. If there's no rank, then there's no incentive to play competitively. Yes, you can play competitively in social modes still, but that isn't exclusive to halo 5. Plus, if there were no ranks, then onyxs could play bronzes, and we don't want that to happen.

"Halo CE-3 didn't copy any mechanics from other games while halo 5 does." Halo CE's formula was ripped straight out of Doom, quake, and unreal tournament, but no one complained about that. Halo 5 then uses thruster pack (which halo 4 started), ADS (which is technically just the old zoom with a different paint job), and sprint, and everyone says halo is CoD.

"343 are lazy." It may seem like that with all the forge and remixed maps, but don't forget Bungie used a ton of assets from the game to the point of having entire maps just be part of a level. Bungie made MP maps then just made them sections in the campaign. It's not laziness, it's managing time and resources.

"343 lied to us in the marketing." No, Microsoft lied to us in the marketing. They do the marketing, not 343.

"The WZFF prometheans are the same as the campaign prometheans." Edit: This is the only one that's not a direct quote. What I was trying to say was that people hate the prometheans because they're bullet sponges, when they're really only bullet sponges in warzone. The firefight prometheans are bullet sponges. The campaign prometheans are not and are pretty fun to fight. They could be better though.

"Halo 5 has a massive amount of bullet magnetism." Halo 5 has a lot of aim assist, but little magnetism. There's a big difference. in case you don't know, halo 2 and 3 has a massive amount of magnetism considering the movement system.

"Warzone was a failure." You may not like it, but that doesn't mean it was a failure. The last time they showed us the most popular playlists (last Christmas), warzone was #1 and it has only improved.

"Halo 5 has a small amount of playlists." At launch, yes. Now, no. Halo 5 has as many playlist right now as halo 3 ended with (14 playlists), so to say halo 5 has a small amount of playlists is basically saying halo 3 has a small amount of playlists.

"Halo 5 has a low population." It's not great, but it's not bad. Halo 5 still has a steady population and I can still find games as fast as I could on day 1.

"Halo 5 is a twitch shooter." Calling halo 5 a twitch shooter is like calling ce a twitch shooter. There's a low TTK in both games, but none qualify as a twitch shooter.

"343 doesn't care to casual players and halo 5 is too competitive." At launch, I would have agreed, but now I do not. Currently, there are 6 ranked playlists and 8 social playlists. So tell me again how it caters towards competitive players?

"Halo 5's updates were cut content." There is no proof of this at all and no evidence to support it, so stop thinking this. There is evidence that halo 5 had a troubled development and didn't get to finish everything on time though. I'm sure some was cut (my guess is 5%), but definitely not all of it.

"Halo 5's sprint speed is halo 3's BMS." I'm too lazy to search up evidence, but I know for a fact that this isn't true and that someone actually tested it.

"Halo 5's servers are awful in the US." They are not the best, but as an American player, I can tell you that they are by no means bad. It may be different for U.K. players, but here in the US it's fine. If you are having a problem in the US, it's probably your connection.

I hope you guys found this informative and if you see anyone who claims any of these are true, make sure you bring down the facts on them :)

Edit: Here are two more that was suggested to be added on the list.

From VirtualMark: "The Graphics in Halo 3 are better than Halo 5." Incorrect - the graphics in Halo 5 are far superior to any of the older titles. Higher resolution, more detailed textures, more detailed geometry, better lighting, better effects, the list goes on. Halo 5 was designed for the Xbox One, whereas older titles were designed for the Xbox 360. The One is far superior to the 360, so there's no way the graphics on older titles are better.

From Hot Juicy Pie (this is not a direct quote BTW): "People get famed often in Warzone." When you think you get farmed, it probably wasn't farming. It was probably just you getting demolished by an enemy team. Farming is where the enemy team has ample opportunity to take out the core, but instead they kill you with fun weapons and make sure you can never leave your home base.

Where did you get most of these facts from, or how did you debunk all of this; where are you're sources? Or is this your opinion?

RedMangabey wrote:

I just disagree in three points:
"343 lied to us in the marketing." : Microsoft made the ads, but most of the lies about the campaign lenght, hunt the truth, Cortana's death, most ambicious campaign, Blue team with more dialogue than ever before, Master chief story... were lies told by member of 343 Industries, maybe they were ordered to lie, but they lied.

"Halo 5's updates were cut content." : I can't support this, but I saw some Molten concept arts months before this map was released. And considering how lack of content Halo 5 was at launch I can infere it, but not surely.

"The Graphics in Halo 3 are better than Halo 5." : I know Halo 5 is graphically superior, but the textures are too simple for my taste. I think Halo 4 still better in my opinion.

Justima wrote:

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Justima wrote:

Arc Trooper 48 wrote:

Justima wrote:

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Justima wrote:

Arc Trooper 48 wrote:

Justima wrote:

Arc Trooper 48 wrote:

Justima wrote:

Arc Trooper 48 wrote:

Justima wrote:

Arc Trooper 48 wrote:

Justima wrote:

Cobalt Sir wrote:

Justima wrote:

Are you speaking the truth? Almost all of your lists are assumption like the opposite. No proof or evidence showed.

He doesn't have to lol.

It's he can't do it, because there is no evidence.

Remember, what in the bold is what people believe that is either not true, or not proven to be true. The rest is my opinions.

You are stating they are wrong without any evidence that supports your claim of people who think that way is wrong. You are stating they are wrong, which means you are stating the opposite is the truth. "People believe 343 cares about only money" and you instantly went saying they are absolutely wrong. No evidence has proven that 343 cares or doesn't care about money. Those people could be right or wrong. However, you are saying they are completely wrong and saying it as a fact. Let people believe that way from what they have seen.

We'll use your example. Claiming "343 only cares about money" is generalizing the entire company at 343. Because I can already think of one guy and have him actually prove to you that he cares, that makes the statement false. Plus, usually most of the devs care about the game. That's why they chose to work there in the first place. Anything else you want me to explain to you? I'd be much happier if we agreed on this.

You never know. Who doesn't care about money anyway. Isn't that why they are selling games and adding micro-transaction? I am sure that the entire 343 employees care about money and that is why they are there. No money, hard life. Anyway, whether they do care about or not, you can't prove you are right on someone's statement is true or false. This is my main point.

Do you want to ask Drell Assassin if he cares? All of 343 care about money. They just don't ONLY care about money. Yes I can prove their statements false by using facts. I can also tell them that what they are saying is not proven to be true and there is no evidence to back them up.

Again, you can't say they are completely wrong. People made assumptions based on what they saw. There is no problem with that, making on assumption based on facts is what they did. Yes, their statements are not proven to be true, but those are inference. The problem is you don't have those facts to show those people are wrong. Go ahead and ask him, just think this in your mind that not all people are honest.

No I cannot. Of course there are those who don't care about the franchise, but there are many that do. Their statement that generalizes 343 is not true. I forget which halo Drell started at, but it was one of the classics, and he specifically wanted to work on halo. Does that not prove that he cares? If not him, then Unyshek. He was also a community member who wanted to work on halo, so he joined 343. Those are just 2 valid examples that you can't deny. In my OP, what do agree with?

You are not getting the point. "The statement that generalizes 343 is not true," do you have an evidence for this?

I also don't think that all 343 employees care about money over the franchise's quality, but we can't say it as a fact.

I disagree with every point you made.

Yes I do have proof! Community members turned 343 employees is proof! Drell Assassin, Justima here needs proof that at least one 343 employee cares about halo (and yes it can be you). From the few months working at 343, how much of the company would say cares about the halo franchise? If you don't want to answer it and just say you definitely care, then that's fine. If this isn't proof, Justima, then I don't know what is.

You disagree with every point I made? So you think that halo 5 has a small number of maps? You think every set of Reach armor is better than every set of halo 5 armor? You think that every time someone claims they get farmed once out of every three games, they actually know what farming means and you believe them? You think that halo 5 has a low number of playlists? You think halo 5's sprint speed is halo 3's BMS? You think halo 5's updates were all cut content? Come on, Justima. You're getting to the point of unreasonable. I know you prefer the classic games, but that doesn't mean you have to hate on 343 for literally everything.

Disagreeing with one's opinion is unreasonable? It's getting bit ridiculous. Are you expecting me to go over and refute every point you made? Some people did, but I don't think there is need for another one from me. Some of arguments could be different, but most of them will be similar.

I don't hate everything that 343 does. I am willing to defend what I think is good. Just because I dislike controversial additions, I am not hating on every single thing came from 343.

I want you to say "yes" or "no" to some of the questions I listed. Let's stick with three statements. For instance, yes or no: Halo 5 has a small amount of maps. Yes or no: Halo 5's sprint speed is halo 3's BMS. Yes or no: All of halo 5's updates were cut content.

Those questions can be hardly answered by yes or no. I am going to write my short opinion on those three.

Amount of maps
Not a lot nor less. The number of those maps sounds impressive, but too many maps that are remix take a huge part of overall maps.

Sprint speed
It's definitely faster than base movement speed of Halo 3, but considering the map size of Halo 5, sprint doesn't make player move any faster in terms of going to point A to B on the same map. Someone calculated the time it takes to reach point from another point and Halo 5 is no different from previous games, which proved that sprint is an illusion.

Update content
I would say those are delayed due to reasons, however it could be cut-content from launch to justify inclusion of REQ.

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harithavaraj wrote:

Justima wrote:

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Justima wrote:

Arc Trooper 48 wrote:

Justima wrote:

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Justima wrote:

Arc Trooper 48 wrote:

Justima wrote:

Arc Trooper 48 wrote:

Justima wrote:

Arc Trooper 48 wrote:

Justima wrote:

Cobalt Sir wrote:

Justima wrote:

Are you speaking the truth? Almost all of your lists are assumption like the opposite. No proof or evidence showed.

He doesn't have to lol.

It's he can't do it, because there is no evidence.

Remember, what in the bold is what people believe that is either not true, or not proven to be true. The rest is my opinions.

You are stating they are wrong without any evidence that supports your claim of people who think that way is wrong. You are stating they are wrong, which means you are stating the opposite is the truth. "People believe 343 cares about only money" and you instantly went saying they are absolutely wrong. No evidence has proven that 343 cares or doesn't care about money. Those people could be right or wrong. However, you are saying they are completely wrong and saying it as a fact. Let people believe that way from what they have seen.

We'll use your example. Claiming "343 only cares about money" is generalizing the entire company at 343. Because I can already think of one guy and have him actually prove to you that he cares, that makes the statement false. Plus, usually most of the devs care about the game. That's why they chose to work there in the first place. Anything else you want me to explain to you? I'd be much happier if we agreed on this.

You never know. Who doesn't care about money anyway. Isn't that why they are selling games and adding micro-transaction? I am sure that the entire 343 employees care about money and that is why they are there. No money, hard life. Anyway, whether they do care about or not, you can't prove you are right on someone's statement is true or false. This is my main point.

Do you want to ask Drell Assassin if he cares? All of 343 care about money. They just don't ONLY care about money. Yes I can prove their statements false by using facts. I can also tell them that what they are saying is not proven to be true and there is no evidence to back them up.

Again, you can't say they are completely wrong. People made assumptions based on what they saw. There is no problem with that, making on assumption based on facts is what they did. Yes, their statements are not proven to be true, but those are inference. The problem is you don't have those facts to show those people are wrong. Go ahead and ask him, just think this in your mind that not all people are honest.

No I cannot. Of course there are those who don't care about the franchise, but there are many that do. Their statement that generalizes 343 is not true. I forget which halo Drell started at, but it was one of the classics, and he specifically wanted to work on halo. Does that not prove that he cares? If not him, then Unyshek. He was also a community member who wanted to work on halo, so he joined 343. Those are just 2 valid examples that you can't deny. In my OP, what do agree with?

You are not getting the point. "The statement that generalizes 343 is not true," do you have an evidence for this?

I also don't think that all 343 employees care about money over the franchise's quality, but we can't say it as a fact.

I disagree with every point you made.

Yes I do have proof! Community members turned 343 employees is proof! Drell Assassin, Justima here needs proof that at least one 343 employee cares about halo (and yes it can be you). From the few months working at 343, how much of the company would say cares about the halo franchise? If you don't want to answer it and just say you definitely care, then that's fine. If this isn't proof, Justima, then I don't know what is.

You disagree with every point I made? So you think that halo 5 has a small number of maps? You think every set of Reach armor is better than every set of halo 5 armor? You think that every time someone claims they get farmed once out of every three games, they actually know what farming means and you believe them? You think that halo 5 has a low number of playlists? You think halo 5's sprint speed is halo 3's BMS? You think halo 5's updates were all cut content? Come on, Justima. You're getting to the point of unreasonable. I know you prefer the classic games, but that doesn't mean you have to hate on 343 for literally everything.

Disagreeing with one's opinion is unreasonable? It's getting bit ridiculous. Are you expecting me to go over and refute every point you made? Some people did, but I don't think there is need for another one from me. Some of arguments could be different, but most of them will be similar.

I don't hate everything that 343 does. I am willing to defend what I think is good. Just because I dislike controversial additions, I am not hating on every single thing came from 343.

I want you to say "yes" or "no" to some of the questions I listed. Let's stick with three statements. For instance, yes or no: Halo 5 has a small amount of maps. Yes or no: Halo 5's sprint speed is halo 3's BMS. Yes or no: All of halo 5's updates were cut content.

Those questions can be hardly answered by yes or no. I am going to write my short opinion on those three.

Amount of maps
Not a lot nor less. The number of those maps sounds impressive, but too many maps that are remix take a huge part of overall maps.

Sprint speed
It's definitely faster than base movement speed of Halo 3, but considering the map size of Halo 5, sprint doesn't make player move any faster in terms of going to point A to B on the same map. Someone calculated the time it takes to reach point from another point and Halo 5 is no different from previous games, which proved that sprint is an illusion.

Update content
I would say those are delayed due to reasons, however it could be cut-content from launch to justify inclusion of REQ.

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Ragnarok/Valhalla are 1:1 remakes. Similarly, The Pit/Pitfall are remakes. Halo 3 and Halo 4 at BMS took the same amount of time to cross the map. Sprint allows people to travel across that map faster.

Sprint can only be an illusion if you are comparing two exact maps, like Valhalla/Ragnarok. People comparing maps like Truth and Midship are speading misinformation, like the OP suggests. They use these maps to suggest that the BMS is lowered, sprint is ruining gameplay, etc.

Sprint being an "illusion" in terms of overall game time and the effect is has on how fast the game is played is fine. But saying sprint is just an illusion in terms of movement makes it seem like 343 dropped the BMS so much that sprint speed is equivalent to BMS from 3.

Large maps, small maps, it doesn't matter. You move faster than in the other games. The whole argument about always needing to move at "optimal combat speed" (fastest BMS) is irrelevant.

Megalodon 302 wrote:

Arc Trooper 48 wrote:

Megalodon 302 wrote:

Another thing to add would be how people feel Hunt the Truth marketing lied when it is actually part of canon as shown in the story and also is a set up for what might happen in the next game.

As it is possible HTT could play into halo 6, it was supposed to be marketing for halo 5, and it wasn't really in halo 5. Even in the first cutscene, Halsey talks about how ONI will kill Locke and her, but that doesn't really go anywhere.

But all the intel shares more of the story than you think.

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harithavaraj wrote:

Justima wrote:

Nofunnyideas wrote:

Justima wrote:

Arc Trooper 48 wrote:

Justima wrote:

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Justima wrote:

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Justima wrote:

Arc Trooper 48 wrote:

Justima wrote:

Arc Trooper 48 wrote:

Justima wrote:

Arc Trooper 48 wrote:

Justima wrote:

Cobalt Sir wrote:

Justima wrote:

Are you speaking the truth? Almost all of your lists are assumption like the opposite. No proof or evidence showed.

He doesn't have to lol.

It's he can't do it, because there is no evidence.

Remember, what in the bold is what people believe that is either not true, or not proven to be true. The rest is my opinions.

You are stating they are wrong without any evidence that supports your claim of people who think that way is wrong. You are stating they are wrong, which means you are stating the opposite is the truth. "People believe 343 cares about only money" and you instantly went saying they are absolutely wrong. No evidence has proven that 343 cares or doesn't care about money. Those people could be right or wrong. However, you are saying they are completely wrong and saying it as a fact. Let people believe that way from what they have seen.

We'll use your example. Claiming "343 only cares about money" is generalizing the entire company at 343. Because I can already think of one guy and have him actually prove to you that he cares, that makes the statement false. Plus, usually most of the devs care about the game. That's why they chose to work there in the first place. Anything else you want me to explain to you? I'd be much happier if we agreed on this.

You never know. Who doesn't care about money anyway. Isn't that why they are selling games and adding micro-transaction? I am sure that the entire 343 employees care about money and that is why they are there. No money, hard life. Anyway, whether they do care about or not, you can't prove you are right on someone's statement is true or false. This is my main point.

Do you want to ask Drell Assassin if he cares? All of 343 care about money. They just don't ONLY care about money. Yes I can prove their statements false by using facts. I can also tell them that what they are saying is not proven to be true and there is no evidence to back them up.

Again, you can't say they are completely wrong. People made assumptions based on what they saw. There is no problem with that, making on assumption based on facts is what they did. Yes, their statements are not proven to be true, but those are inference. The problem is you don't have those facts to show those people are wrong. Go ahead and ask him, just think this in your mind that not all people are honest.

No I cannot. Of course there are those who don't care about the franchise, but there are many that do. Their statement that generalizes 343 is not true. I forget which halo Drell started at, but it was one of the classics, and he specifically wanted to work on halo. Does that not prove that he cares? If not him, then Unyshek. He was also a community member who wanted to work on halo, so he joined 343. Those are just 2 valid examples that you can't deny. In my OP, what do agree with?

You are not getting the point. "The statement that generalizes 343 is not true," do you have an evidence for this?

I also don't think that all 343 employees care about money over the franchise's quality, but we can't say it as a fact.

I disagree with every point you made.

Yes I do have proof! Community members turned 343 employees is proof! Drell Assassin, Justima here needs proof that at least one 343 employee cares about halo (and yes it can be you). From the few months working at 343, how much of the company would say cares about the halo franchise? If you don't want to answer it and just say you definitely care, then that's fine. If this isn't proof, Justima, then I don't know what is.

You disagree with every point I made? So you think that halo 5 has a small number of maps? You think every set of Reach armor is better than every set of halo 5 armor? You think that every time someone claims they get farmed once out of every three games, they actually know what farming means and you believe them? You think that halo 5 has a low number of playlists? You think halo 5's sprint speed is halo 3's BMS? You think halo 5's updates were all cut content? Come on, Justima. You're getting to the point of unreasonable. I know you prefer the classic games, but that doesn't mean you have to hate on 343 for literally everything.

Disagreeing with one's opinion is unreasonable? It's getting bit ridiculous. Are you expecting me to go over and refute every point you made? Some people did, but I don't think there is need for another one from me. Some of arguments could be different, but most of them will be similar.

I don't hate everything that 343 does. I am willing to defend what I think is good. Just because I dislike controversial additions, I am not hating on every single thing came from 343.

I want you to say "yes" or "no" to some of the questions I listed. Let's stick with three statements. For instance, yes or no: Halo 5 has a small amount of maps. Yes or no: Halo 5's sprint speed is halo 3's BMS. Yes or no: All of halo 5's updates were cut content.

Those questions can be hardly answered by yes or no. I am going to write my short opinion on those three.

Amount of maps
Not a lot nor less. The number of those maps sounds impressive, but too many maps that are remix take a huge part of overall maps.

Sprint speed
It's definitely faster than base movement speed of Halo 3, but considering the map size of Halo 5, sprint doesn't make player move any faster in terms of going to point A to B on the same map. Someone calculated the time it takes to reach point from another point and Halo 5 is no different from previous games, which proved that sprint is an illusion.

Update content
I would say those are delayed due to reasons, however it could be cut-content from launch to justify inclusion of REQ.

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Ragnarok/Valhalla are 1:1 remakes. Similarly, The Pit/Pitfall are remakes. Halo 3 and Halo 4 at BMS took the same amount of time to cross the map. Sprint allows people to travel across that map faster.

Sprint can only be an illusion if you are comparing two exact maps, like Valhalla/Ragnarok. People comparing maps like Truth and Midship are speading misinformation, like the OP suggests.

Ragnarok and pitfall are the only remakes that are scaled 1:1 and they both play very differently than thier original versions as a result. They even had to switch spawns from being static to dynamic on the pit to h4's pitfall.

I would argue that those remakes would have played much better if they were scaled up for sprint.

Once a map is scaled up for sprint(the VAST majority of remakes do), sprint is a complete and utter illusion.

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Are you speaking the truth? Almost all of your lists are assumption like the opposite. No proof or evidence showed.

He doesn't have to lol.

It's he can't do it, because there is no evidence.

Remember, what in the bold is what people believe that is either not true, or not proven to be true. The rest is my opinions.

You are stating they are wrong without any evidence that supports your claim of people who think that way is wrong. You are stating they are wrong, which means you are stating the opposite is the truth. "People believe 343 cares about only money" and you instantly went saying they are absolutely wrong. No evidence has proven that 343 cares or doesn't care about money. Those people could be right or wrong. However, you are saying they are completely wrong and saying it as a fact. Let people believe that way from what they have seen.

We'll use your example. Claiming "343 only cares about money" is generalizing the entire company at 343. Because I can already think of one guy and have him actually prove to you that he cares, that makes the statement false. Plus, usually most of the devs care about the game. That's why they chose to work there in the first place. Anything else you want me to explain to you? I'd be much happier if we agreed on this.

You never know. Who doesn't care about money anyway. Isn't that why they are selling games and adding micro-transaction? I am sure that the entire 343 employees care about money and that is why they are there. No money, hard life. Anyway, whether they do care about or not, you can't prove you are right on someone's statement is true or false. This is my main point.

Do you want to ask Drell Assassin if he cares? All of 343 care about money. They just don't ONLY care about money. Yes I can prove their statements false by using facts. I can also tell them that what they are saying is not proven to be true and there is no evidence to back them up.

Again, you can't say they are completely wrong. People made assumptions based on what they saw. There is no problem with that, making on assumption based on facts is what they did. Yes, their statements are not proven to be true, but those are inference. The problem is you don't have those facts to show those people are wrong. Go ahead and ask him, just think this in your mind that not all people are honest.

No I cannot. Of course there are those who don't care about the franchise, but there are many that do. Their statement that generalizes 343 is not true. I forget which halo Drell started at, but it was one of the classics, and he specifically wanted to work on halo. Does that not prove that he cares? If not him, then Unyshek. He was also a community member who wanted to work on halo, so he joined 343. Those are just 2 valid examples that you can't deny. In my OP, what do agree with?

You are not getting the point. "The statement that generalizes 343 is not true," do you have an evidence for this?

I also don't think that all 343 employees care about money over the franchise's quality, but we can't say it as a fact.

I disagree with every point you made.

Yes I do have proof! Community members turned 343 employees is proof! Drell Assassin, Justima here needs proof that at least one 343 employee cares about halo (and yes it can be you). From the few months working at 343, how much of the company would say cares about the halo franchise? If you don't want to answer it and just say you definitely care, then that's fine. If this isn't proof, Justima, then I don't know what is.

You disagree with every point I made? So you think that halo 5 has a small number of maps? You think every set of Reach armor is better than every set of halo 5 armor? You think that every time someone claims they get farmed once out of every three games, they actually know what farming means and you believe them? You think that halo 5 has a low number of playlists? You think halo 5's sprint speed is halo 3's BMS? You think halo 5's updates were all cut content? Come on, Justima. You're getting to the point of unreasonable. I know you prefer the classic games, but that doesn't mean you have to hate on 343 for literally everything.

Disagreeing with one's opinion is unreasonable? It's getting bit ridiculous. Are you expecting me to go over and refute every point you made? Some people did, but I don't think there is need for another one from me. Some of arguments could be different, but most of them will be similar.

I don't hate everything that 343 does. I am willing to defend what I think is good. Just because I dislike controversial additions, I am not hating on every single thing came from 343.

I want you to say "yes" or "no" to some of the questions I listed. Let's stick with three statements. For instance, yes or no: Halo 5 has a small amount of maps. Yes or no: Halo 5's sprint speed is halo 3's BMS. Yes or no: All of halo 5's updates were cut content.

Those questions can be hardly answered by yes or no. I am going to write my short opinion on those three.

Amount of maps
Not a lot nor less. The number of those maps sounds impressive, but too many maps that are remix take a huge part of overall maps.

Sprint speed
It's definitely faster than base movement speed of Halo 3, but considering the map size of Halo 5, sprint doesn't make player move any faster in terms of going to point A to B on the same map. Someone calculated the time it takes to reach point from another point and Halo 5 is no different from previous games, which proved that sprint is an illusion.

Update content
I would say those are delayed due to reasons, however it could be cut-content from launch to justify inclusion of REQ.

-snip-

-snip-

Ragnarok/Valhalla are 1:1 remakes. Similarly, The Pit/Pitfall are remakes. Halo 3 and Halo 4 at BMS took the same amount of time to cross the map. Sprint allows people to travel across that map faster.

Sprint can only be an illusion if you are comparing two exact maps, like Valhalla/Ragnarok. People comparing maps like Truth and Midship are speading misinformation, like the OP suggests.

Ragnarok and pitfall are the only remakes that are scaled 1:1 and they both play very differently than thier original versions as a result. They even had to switch spawns from being static to dynamic on the pit to h4's pitfall.

I would argue that those remakes would have played much better if they were scaled up for sprint.

Once a map is scaled up for sprint(the VAST majority of remakes do), sprint is a complete and utter illusion.

Illusion because the game lasts the same time, not an illusion in terms of actual movement.