[Locked] The sprint discussion thread

HellaSwiftt wrote:

Obi Wlan Kenobi wrote:

HellaSwiftt wrote:

Why take out something that is keeping halo up with all the other games? CoD for example has sprint as a set thing, take that out and you are going back 10+ years. Sprint has been in halo for 5-6 years now when Bungie had it introduced as a Spartan Ability in Reach, everyone loved the mechanic and that it allowed quick traverse across huge maps. Why take out something that makes the game more interesting and also more difficult?

I'm not sure what you mean with "keeping halo up". "Everyone loved the mechanic" no they didn't. How does sprint make the game more interesting and difficult. I think it makes the game less interesting and less difficult.

Its kinda hard to hit a moving target if they are running away and it also increases the range of which some weapons are effective (Energy Sword, Grav Hammer, Shotgun SMG) that increases your own movement and decreases your own accuracy having to adjust your aim and path your target.

It's not hard to hit sprinting players in the game. The bullet magnetism is very high and I know what direction they're locked in.

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ChantingFool150 wrote:

TruncateComb6 wrote:

Beetle Blast wrote:

didn't even bother reading it because it is the dumbest topic out there right now. Just because it has sprint doesn't mean its not Halo. It's one whole mechanic, that's it. If you don't like sprint, don't sprint. Problem solved.

Except the maps are purposefully stretched out to accompany sprint, so that stretched maps will have the same sprint travel time as a non stretched map with just walking. So
not sprinting is punishing because the game had to be made around it.

wangtime from ultimate halo proved that wrong, you can totally play effectively without sprinting, the maps have little to do with it. also what's the big deal? it really doesn't change the game in any fundemental way. i don't understand why this is still a problem.

bruh

JukeboX Jointz wrote:

Obi Wlan Kenobi wrote:

JukeboX Jointz wrote:

I Landonio I wrote:

JukeboX Jointz wrote:

I say sprint is fine! This Halo is different and sometimes a change is needed. I think it's great.

1. Why is sprint great.
2. Why was (unnecessary) change needed for something that already worked beautifully and no one complained about. Also, if "change is needed" why can't we change back to no sprint since sprint has been the standard for 6 years now and has become stale.

I don't know if you have read all of these comments but it seems 90% of players don't mind the sprinting. No sprint worked fine before. Now we have sprint and it works fine. It sounds like you're just complaining now because you can't adapt to change. Why is sprint not great? Because it worked fine before? Great argument. Stay sad all you would like, sprint will never be removed from the game.

Sprint makes the combat flow random, because the maps are designed around movement, but not around combat. Sprint makes good positioning less rewarding and makes the game slower. On the other hand there are no good reasons to keep sprint.

"Why take out something that is keeping halo up with all the other games? CoD for example has sprint as a set thing, take that out and you are going back 10+ years. Sprint has been in halo for 5-6 years now when Bungie had it introduced as a Spartan Ability in Reach, everyone loved the mechanic and that it allowed quick traverse across huge maps. Why take out something that makes the game more interesting and also more difficult?"
Another user wrote that. On point. 👌🏼

At least you're not pretending to know the effects of sprint on the game. Too many uninformed people act like they know what they're talking about. Kudos.

Arc Trooper 48 wrote:

Celestis wrote:

Arc Trooper 48 wrote:

Celestis wrote:

Arc Trooper 48 wrote:

From a lore standpoint, both can run and gun. You were just moving at a base movement speed in halo ce-3. If your claim were the case, master chief would've been able to shoot while sprinting in halo 4/5.

Chief is able to shoot while sprinting in lore. He just can't run and gun in Halo 4 and H5G because 343 implemented mechanics that go against lore, just like ADS does.

Arc Trooper 48 wrote:

My guess is the change from halo ce to 2 didn't feel drastic (or at least doesn't not now it doesn't) just because it didn't have sprint. Halo 2 changed so many things to not make it feel like halo ce, but here you are, 12 years later, saying that there weren't drastic changes.

Exactly. Im saying that because they weren't drastic changes. You still had the same quake-ish gameplay with some tactical influences as before, except you were now able to shoot two weapons at the same time. Sprint is a drastic change because is eliminates run and gun gameplay in favor of stop and shoot (or whatever the exact term might be).

Arc Trooper 48 wrote:

Halo 5 doesn't actually follow Reach's gameplay, so I guess it should be a main title.

H5G does follow Reach's gameplay very much. It still has armor abilities, they just have been rebranded into Spartan abilities. It's a spinoff, but with a few cameos of old characters, like how Regret appeared in Halo Wars.

Arc Trooper 48 wrote:

Did you even see what I suggested? I proposed 6-8 classic, 6-8 new style playlists, and 3-4 warzone playlists. Do you see me as some evil guy trying to secretly kill halo and stop you and your band of good guys from having fun? It certainly comes off that way.

I see you as somebody kicking and screaming against people trying to return Halo to its former glory. I don't know for what reason, nor do I care.
You still proposed what I said you did, namely have some alibi-playlists in the game, as the vast majority of modes follows the modern style. Warzone follows the modern style, but with Microtransactions. Half of Arena follows the modern style. So does campaign, which you already admitted to in an older post. How on earth is this a satisfying compromise when at the very least 75% of the entire game are worthless to us?

Arc Trooper 48 wrote:

Why does sprint matter in the campaign?

Because it screws with gameplay even more than it does in multiplayer.

From a lore standpoint, both can run and gun. You were just moving at a base movement speed in halo ce-3. If your claim were the case, master chief would've been able to shoot while sprinting in halo 4/5. . . .

Chief is able to shoot while sprinting in lore. He just can't run and gun in Halo 4 and H5G because 343 implemented mechanics that go against lore, just like ADS does. . . .

Let's clear this up: in halo ce-3, chief never sprints during the gameplay. We see him sprint in a cutscene in halo 2 after he kills regret and in halo ce as he runs to the ship after the warthog run. Both of those times we can assume he was running it was trying to run at full speed. Spartan or not, it is impossible for one at to run max speed and not have a messed up aim. We can assume that when the Spartans in halo 4/5 are sprinting, they are aiming for top speed.

Halo 5 doesn't follow Reach's gameplay. I know it's tempting to compare 2 things with five word "abilities" in it, but you have to know that Spartan abilities and armor are 2 very different things. Armor abilities were abilities that each Spartan could invidually choose and are way more powerful than a single Spartan ability, but they could only pick one. Spartan abilities are abilities that everyone has and each one is not too powerful. If you compare Reach to 5, then 3 to 5, I think you'll find that halo 5 has more similarities with 3 than Reach (if you do, don't generalize).

How many times do we have to say this, removing sprint won't return halo to its former glory!!! I saw your post on how sprint affects the campaign, and I disagree with it. It totally doesn't negatively impact the game in any way. If you want proof, look at SPV3. Plus, we are talking about the mp, not the campaign. Like I said, if you want, there could be an option to turn off abilities in the campaign. Excluding campaign, about 40% of the game would be classic. What's wrong with that? Warzone is closer to halo reach and 4 gameplay (20%), new style arena is closer to halo 5 (40%), and classic style arena is closest to halo 2/3 (40%).

Wouldn't it be possible to test the time that it would take to run the length of the temple, and then compare it to the time that it takes the Master Chief to run that distance in the cutscene? The same goes for the CE instance, right?

I'll give you that the jetpack was the only real choice. Mother of--does Truth play like Heretic? What about Reflection compared to Ivory Tower? Pitfall vs. The Pit? Reach was a spin-off.

Arc Trooper 48 wrote:

Celestis wrote:

I'm not saying you can't run with your gun up. I'm saying that you can't run at full speed and be effective with your gun.

Of course I can't, but a Spartan super soldier could. I mean, I don't have implanted augmentations, for one thing, so yeah.

LilTygerLilly wrote:

Arc Trooper 48 wrote:

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Chief is able to shoot while sprinting in lore. He just can't run and gun in Halo 4 and H5G because 343 implemented mechanics that go against lore, just like ADS does. . . .

Let's clear this up: in halo ce-3, chief never sprints during the gameplay. We see him sprint in a cutscene in halo 2 after he kills regret and in halo ce as he runs to the ship after the warthog run. Both of those times we can assume he was running it was trying to run at full speed. Spartan or not, it is impossible for one at to run max speed and not have a messed up aim. We can assume that when the Spartans in halo 4/5 are sprinting, they are aiming for top speed.

Wouldn't it be possible to test the time that it would take to run the length of the temple, and then compare it to the time that it takes the Master Chief to run that distance in the cutscene? The same goes for the CE instance, right?

The speed from The Package is roughly 15 meters per second, which can be measured by calculating the distance of the archway (6 meters), then timing how long they need from one archway to the next (~0.4 seconds, I counted the frames using Avidemux).
The cutscene is pretty hard to assess, as the temple has no distinct features besides those three stone pedestals that it rests upon. The camera also shifts constantly, so distance perception is skewed. A very rough estimate by using Chief himself as a ruler gives the size of one of those holes in the wall as 12.53 meters, for which he needs 1.935 seconds (again using frame counting in Avidemux), which yields 6.5 meters per second. Seeing as this is lower than the 7m/s BMS in Halo CE, 2 and 3, it is safe to assume that the deviation comes from measurement uncertainties and Chief is actually still running his usual 7m/s in the cutscene.
I want to point out that 15m/s from The Package is faster than sprint speed in the games, yet Blue Team was still able to shoot accurately.

LilTygerLilly wrote:

CheezandCrackrs wrote:

I love sprint and use it religiously. Keep it.

Yo, what's poppin'?

Not much. Came by to see how the conversation has been going. I see it hasn't changed much. lol

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LilTygerLilly wrote:

Arc Trooper 48 wrote:

Yeah, I tend to respond to certain things. I usually say what I feel needs to be said.

True Halo fans were here before sprint. If someone is truly a fan of Halo, then he or she will still play when sprint is removed, even if he or she liked it. I got Halo 4 and Halo 5, tried them out, and didn't like (most of) them. A hardcore fan would probably get really into the lore--in which, spartans were able to fire while running. Anyway, as for my definition, yes, I would consider myself a true Halo fan. I don't know as much as some, but I probably know more about the Halo franchise and its lore than a lot of people who play the games--especially the ones who were lured in by Halo 4. I won't be buying Halo 6 if it lacks split-screen, but I will be playing through the campaign at least once. I know, shocking, isn't it? Not wanting to buy a game because I can't spend hours screwing around with my friends without needing to be connected to the internet? I must not be a true fan of the series, right? I mean, it's not like Halo 5 is the first Halo title to lack split-screen--for the sake of 60 FPS. I don't need another console just to play with my sibling, do I? Concerning other posters in this thread, it isn't like the core Halo fanbase wasn't wary after the ****storm that was Halo 4. A lot of fans have jumped ship, don't you think that there's a reason for that?

No, you didn't, I was explaining part of the reason why there isn't very much overlap. Warzone Assault was pretty much all I played until--well, until Firefight came out. I mean, I played some Arena to work on commendations, but I started playing Arena a lot more after I had finished unlocking everything (and gotten Firefight Mastery). Anyway, why would Breakout getting a higher amount of RP indicate intentional poor weighting? The best Arena playlist to go for, if you're going for max RP per hour, is SWAT. 5 minute games will get you the most RP per hour. Warzone Assault is, beyond contest, the most lucrative source of RP. That's probably because it also demands REQs to win. But yeah, this is off-topic, so I'm going to stop there.

Because sprint isn't a healthy direction for Halo to go in, obviously. That's why this thread exists.

It's called hyperbole. Halo 5 isn't Halo, it has taken elements of other modern FPS games and tried to slap it all together in one game. This includes a lower TTK, which is the biggest difference between Halo and twitch shooters. Having similar movement mechanics further diminishes the line between Halo and modern twitch shooters. Could 343i pull it all together and make a Halo title with the new movement system that succeeded where Halo 5 failed? Sure. Would it be Halo? Probably not, because when I think of Halo, I think of outwitting my opponents, which means that they don't get to escape my carefully calculated trap--unless they quadshot me, which is really hard to do. Halo is at the point of having an identity crisis, and there are two ways that this can end. I want to remain a fan of Halo. I care, that's why I've said all these things in this thread. That's why people who don't play Halo 5 are on an internet forum, debating this very topic. Sprint changed everything. (And no, sprint isn't the only problem.)

Evenly? As in the time between them? As in the features that they have? Or, as in something else? Because Halo 2 was much more like CE than Halo 5 was like Reach. Anyway, Halo 2 improved on the gameplay of CE and made it even more solid. I constantly played through 5-10 minute wait-times between matches, standby, and modding. I play Halo 5 regularly, because I'm trying to finish off my commendations, and build up a large stockpile so that I can hop on when Warzone Turbo is around. Otherwise, it'll be back to other games for the most part. I'll still get on Halo 5, but it probably won't even be on a weekly basis. Moving on, that is a very dishonest list: the map design is a huge departure from Halo 3. The weapons are balanced reasonably well for Halo 5's gameplay, sure, but the balance was pretty decent in Halo 3 as well. Movement options? Try changes to core gameplay, the gameplay feels nothing like it did in Halo 3; CE and Halo 2 are right next to each-other compared to Halo 3 and 5. Equipment was a very interesting direction, it provided more depth to the gameplay, unlike Armor--sorry, Spartan Abilities.

Let me list some more differences: Warzone, the REQ system, 500 pieces of armor (that you can't customize as much as you could in Halo 3), pieces of armor that could only be acquired by completing certain challenges (in Halo 5, all you need is some luck, some time, or some cash), visor colors, loadout weapons with modifications, armor mods, REQ variants, a campaign where you actually play as the Master Chief, Prometheans... like, do I honestly need to go on?

So only people who were here before sprint came are true fans, and no one else after that can be? No. Anyone can be a true fan whenever they start.

If playing breakout got you an more RP, it would be obvious that they are trying to promote it. That's why many thought they were trying to promote warzone by giving out more RP.

I disagree that sprint is unhealthy.

Every halo has taken things from other games. Halo Reach-5 aren't the only ones. Just because they are using some similar movement ideas doesn't mean it's not halo.

Wait so equipment adds depth but Spartan abilities don't? Are you serious, or is your mind clouded with nostalgia? Maybe to you it feels nothing like it, but it feels like halo enough for me to call it halo. Every halo (besides 2/3) has had a different feel than their predecessor. There's nothing unique about halo 5 not feeling totally like halo 3.

I was comparing gameplay, not all the other stuff, because the other stuff doesn't affect the feel in-game.