[Locked] Weapon Tuning Update - Early Discussion Thread

MonkOfWar4 wrote:

DaxSeven09 wrote:

MonkOfWar4 wrote:

I would like a higher chance for the DMR to appear in Requisitions and for its level to be lower in Warzone Firefight. I've owned Halo 5 for sometime now and have never got the DMR as a Req option till now.

Could the railgun and Hydra get ammo refills at Req stations in Warzone Firefight and in the Campaign?

I hate to tell you but SR31 is a drop in the bucket. You may have owned it for a long time, but you haven't been playing it.

Just to give you an idea of where you're at: Max SR Total XP Needed and Its RewardsThe Req level is fine they have lowered it once they don't need to lower it again. Plus the Rail gun and the Hydra are power weapons it make things too easy if we have infinite power weapon ammo. That's no fun.

I'll grant that the rail gun and Hydra, just like the rocket launcher and fuel rod cannon, would be too dominating if they could be refilled at Req Stations.

Wouldn't be too harmful to Warzone game balance if the shotgun could be reloaded at the Req station - one rarely gets the chance to survive in those games by getting close enough to multiple AI adversaries for it to be effective. Also, the shotgun is rarely useful in Warzone unless the fight occurs indoors - if you can't reload it, it'll never get used since the sub machine gun then becomes a better choice, having a higher rate of fire and reloadable at Req Stations.

thelvadam47 wrote:

you're going to nerf the sword, NERF THE FRIGGEN SWORD??? what are you guys thinking? it's not overpowered at all unless a guy who knows what he is doing but that's quite rare. a speed nerf i guess that's ok but a lunge nerf no just no perhaps just one would be fine like nerf the lunge and have the speed remain the same to compensate for the lack of range please don't make it useless like H3's sword .

thelvadam47 wrote:

you're going to nerf the sword, NERF THE FRIGGEN SWORD??? what are you guys thinking? it's not overpowered at all unless a guy who knows what he is doing but that's quite rare. a speed nerf i guess that's ok but a lunge nerf no just no perhaps just one would be fine like nerf the lunge and have the speed remain the same to compensate for the lack of range please don't make it useless like H3's sword .

SWAT FirekiLLa wrote:

• By effective, I don't just mean damage.
• It's also an issue of "range of scenarios" that it's useful in.
• It's also an issue of how much ammo it gets & how often you get it (ie. SAW -- good in almost every aspect, but you have to earn the ability to use it first).
• It's also an issue of things like smart-scope, bullet magnetism and aim assist.

• Lower the aim assist on the BR but make the burst more consistent (meaning, either count the shot or don't, no more of this "1/3 bullets registered" nonsense)
• Increase DMR to 3-shot beatdown.
• Significantly lower the bullet magnetism of the AR (especially for headshots) and increase the maximum spread
• Lower physical (so after shields pop) damage of storm rifle
• Lower shield damage of SMG
• Increase the time it takes to switch to another weapon after using brute plasma rifle, and increase the time it takes to fire at full speed
• Significantly increase the range of the suppressor's bullet tracking

• Battle Rifle is balance in terms of kill time, but it's too easy to use (spread+bullet magnetism+high aim assist = way too easy headshots) and too inconsistent at the same time. This makes it bad for both casuals and more competitive players, as well as less fun in general because you don't know what you're going to get out of it... it really depends on the connection of that game in particular.
• The Designated Marksman Rifle's high aim assist makes sense in the sandbox due to its long-range role, and the kill time is appropriate... but it also dominates at close range, making it too good in too many different aspects. It goes outside of its intended use.
• The Assault Rifle's smart scope and headshot bonus are nice ways of easing players into use of more difficult weapons, but have unintended consequences on effective range. Everything about the AR is "ok" and at first glance, doesn't feel particularly OP in any particular area... but the combination of being "ok" in each area (scope, high clip, starting weapon, damage, headshot bonus, high aim assist, beatdown combo, shield strength, physical strength, range, etc. etc. etc.) culminates into an overall effectiveness of being OP. This is what casuals often don't see when they say the "AR is fine." It doesn't attract attention because it doesn't kill you in particularly shocking or unexpected ways, which leads people to ignore the total culmination of effectiveness across all scenarios. Changing magnetism and spread addresses this without fundamentally changing its feel & functionality. This is the type of change that would address the concerns of competitive players without hurting it too much in the areas that its users like it. Adding a very very slight delay for the first bullet may also help combat the effectiveness of "peppered bursts" at range while still making them useful.
• Small Machine Gun is great as a close quarters killer but just a bit too strong to kill without a melee, making it pretty decent (though inconsistent & frustrating to both the user & the one its used on) in medium range. Past games have relied upon the melee to get the kill with it but now you can just spray, making it too good at medium range. Lowering shield damage would allow it to still be a beatdown master combo, but without also bleeding into medium range territory.
• Storm rifle is just overall too powerful, but not in any one particular area. The main issue is that it just doesn't follow the rest of the sandbox's style of physical damage effectiveness. Lowering physical damage lowers the overall effectiveness but without taking away close-range beatdown or weapon-switching (for pistol headshot) viability.
• Brute plasma rifle is exactly as I imagined it should be, its but combinations are too strong. The beatdown combo is too strong to the point that it's nearly at shotgun territory. Adding a very slight delay at the beginning of shots (like suppressor) addresses this without affecting its overall particular intended niche. Also, the pistol has such a good weapon switch time that the combo is beyond OP at medium range. I know that swap time is meant to be based on the switching-to weapon, but the swapping-from weapon also should matter, and brute plasma needs a bit more delay. This addresses the current areas that it's OP in, but without needing to change damage, intended niche or overall feel.
• Suppressor has low damage and no particular niche area. The slow buildup makes it terrible at close range, the damage makes it bad at medium, and the lack of a scope and projectile speed also makes it bad at long range. It's just bad in every aspect. But its upgraded version (I forget which one) is very interesting at longer ranges. The increased tracking makes it effective in a very unique way: a long-range sustain damage weapon, which no other weapon since the Reach's "microwave gun" has attempted. This makes it so that you can't just "surprise" players at long range like a sniper -- they have a chance to move out of the way. But where the suppressor can shine through significantly increased range of tracking is in the niche of longer ranges against players who are exposed in the open. For players who have cover, either at long or medium range, this makes the weapon effective as a "SUPPRESSOR" -- keeping the enemies pinned down, but not necessarily able to kill them.

Nate00000000000 wrote:

ok, so we've got some people pointing out that adjusting the weapons based on feedback for PvP multiplayer could have unintended consequences for campaign speedrunners. But are you going to take into account any unintended consequences for PvE (i.e. Warzone Firefight)? Or is this update only going to done with PvP in mind? Let me re-post what I said in another thread:

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Whatever they do, I hope they keep Warzone Firefight in mind. The fact that power weapons are virtually useless in that mode is due to the fact that weapons and vehicles, and their respective req energy requirements, are balanced for PvP Warzone. However, Warzone Firefight seems to be one of the most popular modes, and is the only thing I play in Halo 5 anymore. It would be nice to see them address this issue of power weapons being relatively useless, or at least kept in mind.

As for unintended consequences, imagine this scenario: the assault rifle gets nerfed in some way, due to balancing reasons for PvP. Players therefore have a more difficult time gaining points in round 1 of Warzone Firefight. With less people able to reach req level 3 by the time round 2 starts, they will have a more difficult time with later rounds, and so on. In other words, nerfing the loadout weapons needed for round 1, when everyone is at req level 1, could potentially start a snowball effect that changes the rest of the match.