I have absolutely zero responsibility as a user to finish a game, or not betray, I paid for the game, I pay for Xbox live, I play how and when I want.You paid for a license to play the game. The terms of that license are that 343 can suspend your play for breaking the Microsoft Code of Conduct. One of the defintions of violating that Code includes quitting, which is even listed it's own complaint that people can report players for. Xbox doesn't want you to quit, Microsoft doesn't want you to quit, and 343 doesn't want you to quit; if you do quit, you open yourself up to consequences. It's entirely within their right to apply quit bans.
HAHAHAHAHAHA 343 should really bring that up in their next marketing slogan, see how many happy customers they get. You can't seriously mean what you said there. We pay around 60 euro's/dollars for an FULL game, that means the social multiplayer experience as well. XBOX Live is an extra 40-60 per year as well for the continued online experience. You don't tell an customer you bought a 'license' when it should be an finished and working product (which it was not at release). It's a -yoink- COPY! nothing more. You and Hermit are trying to make it sound as if MCC is a service and not a product. This is not the case however. I own an copy and so does Trip. Whe can do what we want with it. And if the multiplayer experience stands in the way of free will, than that should be the adressed flaw and not the quitters/afks etc. Did Bungie tell us we owned a license? Nope, because it's simply not true. Did the players make an 33 pages long post on Bungie's forums about the banning system? Nope, because it worked. And since Trip and the others brought it up, you should really look back to the old days. Doesn't matter if the gaming industry has changed. Gaming was so much more 'social' when you played with your friends at home or connected through XBOX Live. These days, kids like to stream their games for earning money and stuff, nothing social about it. So you tell me which time was better?
i paid for a license because it was marketed as being the original game mechanics not this bastardized version of them. Which is a huge problem with games now that you can just release updates which totally changes what i original paid for.This is a unique attitude. You never want the game to be updated? As the popularity of the internet grew updates for games became the norm. It's an expected thing, to the point where a large number of users complain when updates aren't frequent enough or to the scale they were in. This is the norm (and I guarantee the agreement you okayed without reading through it allows for it.) If you want to live in a world without updates you can always choose to go offline. I personally enjoy new content. I enjoy seeing things fixed. The ban system was reworked to address a problem. The update is an attempt to minimize that problem. Now I realize that you are trying your best to make it seem as if the behavior your defending is okay, but it isn't. There are certain expectations that come with any social interaction. For Halo multiplayer 'don't quit, don't grief, don't idle' etc. Are on those lists. The current rework address the first problem of those three. Ideally they will address the last at some point soon.
This is a unique attitude considering MCC NEEDED to be fixed. You can't seriously deny the fact that MCC was broken and that the updates had to save it. If not, whe wouldn't be even talking here. So 343 should always consider that if they made statements like this. See when a customer buys something broken, they usually demand a compensation or refund. In this case, 343 fixed most parts of the game, but that doesn't mean they can decide how players are gonna play. The nerve of them doing this is already infuriating and you're trying to tell us what that updates aren't normal for an 60 eu/dollar game? ESPECIALLY MCC?????
Trip's attitude is completely justified in terms of his own rights and the 'norm' of this time.
By the way, I don't see other dev's that charge extra for updates or patches which fix or even add to the game (Square does it, AND EVEN EA WITH FRICKIN BATTLEFRONT 2! LOOK HOW MANY POSITIVE REACTIONS COME FROM THERE AND GUESS WHAT?? NO BANS WHY DON'T YOU THINK ABOUT THAT, so try and prove me wrong)
Oh and this: 'There are certain expectations that come with any social interaction.' SINCE WHEN? look up vids of people playing old multiplayer games like COD MW2, see if their 'interactions' are so kind and friendly as here. And by the way quitting/afkíng are not interactions, they are the definition of doing the exact opposite. And still we view the old days as more social. Laughed so hard at reading this.
And honestly, I don't even know what monitors do here, but you are definitely not here for having a non-biased discussion.
Oh and just so you know, I quit this discussion.