[Locked] Why Do I have to unlock the Reach armour again?

LethalQ wrote:

Big T Mac10 wrote:

AshamanND wrote:

Big T Mac10 wrote:

AshamanND wrote:

Big T Mac10 wrote:

AshamanND wrote:

Big T Mac10 wrote:

AshamanND wrote:

Big T Mac10,

[edit]I'm not sure if Mario kart is the best comparison - what exactly were the things that were unlocked? Modes, tracks etc? Pretty sure Reach in MCC lets you play any level you want right from the start, without having to beat a level first.

[/edit]Look, we're both fans of Halo, and we've both played a lot of the games. I'm glad we both love the series.
I appreciate your perspective on some of the things you mention - we're not gonna see eye to eye on the unlock system and I'm ok with that.

But seriously. You actually want MCC Loot boxes.
I don't even know what else to say.

OMG.
You: "No one can refute my claim."
Me: Easily refutes claim
You: "That doesn't count!"

No, it counts. Everything was locked in Mario Kart 8. Tracks, characters and parts. Deluxe unlocks the vast majority of it by default. It is literally the exact thing you insinuated has never happened in a remaster.

And why shouldn't I want loot boxes? If I'm going to get screwed by grinding out armor parts I don't want, why not increase my chance of getting the pieces I want earlier?

Tracks is like missions in Halo. They don't count. Honestly.
Parts (from my understanding) were still locked in Deluxe. Doesn't count.
Characters - OK, one part of this game had unlocks that were given. But not everything was unlocked, and that's my point.

I actually agree with you about getting armor parts I don't want too - the linear unlock system is dumb. The points should allow freedom of what to unlock. But having to unlock them, in my mind, isn't the issue (just the order).

If you want to die on the loot box hill, be my guest. People might have spent money on them in many games, but by and large the overall gaming community does not like them. Especially when randomized. Most people prefer playing and earning an unlock instead of paying for it. You're on the internet, you must know this, right?

lol I have nothing to lose by them adding loot boxes. That's my point. This system might as well be loot boxes to me and honestly I haven't heard why it would be a worse system than the one we have now. If the unlocks are all the exact same and all my character's gear are late pass unlocks then why wouldn't I want a gamble that I unlock them or some of them, earlier than the current system?
EDIT: You're conflating loot boxes with paid only loot boxes.

Paid loot boxes are the worst yes.

But even random 'free' loot boxes are entirely less satisfying than actually earning something through gameplay.

Loot boxes in any form are inferior.

The linear unlock system is definitely bad. Allowing for some type of choice in the spending of the Season Point would be much better.

Now, I will compromise on this loot box thing for one possibility.
If they gave us the choice of say 10 different things to unlock with our Season point within a certain tier, that would be good.
But also give us the choice to use that Season Point for a 'loot box' random opportunity to get something from a higher tier. But there would need to be an element of risk, perhaps there is also a chance that Season point spent on a loot box would yield nothing. At least there is a risk/reward involved now - but still giving us a guaranteed option to spend it on a known item. This system would require the ability to earn Season Points beyond tier 100, to account for people that gambled away their points.

But to switch to a pure loot box system - no, that's not going to happen.

If there's 100 things in a given pass and the thing I had previously grinded out is at level 96-100, as would be typical, why would I be better suited with a strict battlepass with each unlock being fixed as opposed to a loot box with a random item and a chance of the higher tiered item I had previously being rewarded earlier knowing that loot boxes and the strict rewards are unlocked at the same interval?

I dunno, neverrmind.
I don't think I articulated my idea properly, and right now I don't have the time to try to re-word it.

We're not gonna see eye to eye on this, but know that the Halo community would be WAY more upset with some type of loot box system.

Well then they know how I feel about the trash system the game has now.

Definitely no to "loot boxes" those are hella lame. This system isn't that great either but it's not as bad as loot boxes. They should have at least let us get which ever item we wanted with our points versus only being able to use them on one item at a time, the points are really pointless as they are now. But it doesn't take that long to unlock everything.

I can't believe I'm reading that someone wants lootboxes.... So many people have been fighting the industry to get that crap out of here to the point of governments taking action against them.

Big T Mac10 wrote:

Jonny45k7236 wrote:

LethalQ wrote:

Big T Mac10 wrote:

AshamanND wrote:

Big T Mac10 wrote:

AshamanND wrote:

Big T Mac10 wrote:

AshamanND wrote:

Big T Mac10 wrote:

AshamanND wrote:

Big T Mac10,

[edit]I'm not sure if Mario kart is the best comparison - what exactly were the things that were unlocked? Modes, tracks etc? Pretty sure Reach in MCC lets you play any level you want right from the start, without having to beat a level first.

[/edit]Look, we're both fans of Halo, and we've both played a lot of the games. I'm glad we both love the series.
I appreciate your perspective on some of the things you mention - we're not gonna see eye to eye on the unlock system and I'm ok with that.

But seriously. You actually want MCC Loot boxes.
I don't even know what else to say.

OMG.
You: "No one can refute my claim."
Me: Easily refutes claim
You: "That doesn't count!"

No, it counts. Everything was locked in Mario Kart 8. Tracks, characters and parts. Deluxe unlocks the vast majority of it by default. It is literally the exact thing you insinuated has never happened in a remaster.

And why shouldn't I want loot boxes? If I'm going to get screwed by grinding out armor parts I don't want, why not increase my chance of getting the pieces I want earlier?

Tracks is like missions in Halo. They don't count. Honestly.
Parts (from my understanding) were still locked in Deluxe. Doesn't count.
Characters - OK, one part of this game had unlocks that were given. But not everything was unlocked, and that's my point.

I actually agree with you about getting armor parts I don't want too - the linear unlock system is dumb. The points should allow freedom of what to unlock. But having to unlock them, in my mind, isn't the issue (just the order).

If you want to die on the loot box hill, be my guest. People might have spent money on them in many games, but by and large the overall gaming community does not like them. Especially when randomized. Most people prefer playing and earning an unlock instead of paying for it. You're on the internet, you must know this, right?

lol I have nothing to lose by them adding loot boxes. That's my point. This system might as well be loot boxes to me and honestly I haven't heard why it would be a worse system than the one we have now. If the unlocks are all the exact same and all my character's gear are late pass unlocks then why wouldn't I want a gamble that I unlock them or some of them, earlier than the current system?
EDIT: You're conflating loot boxes with paid only loot boxes.

Paid loot boxes are the worst yes.

But even random 'free' loot boxes are entirely less satisfying than actually earning something through gameplay.

Loot boxes in any form are inferior.

The linear unlock system is definitely bad. Allowing for some type of choice in the spending of the Season Point would be much better.

Now, I will compromise on this loot box thing for one possibility.
If they gave us the choice of say 10 different things to unlock with our Season point within a certain tier, that would be good.
But also give us the choice to use that Season Point for a 'loot box' random opportunity to get something from a higher tier. But there would need to be an element of risk, perhaps there is also a chance that Season point spent on a loot box would yield nothing. At least there is a risk/reward involved now - but still giving us a guaranteed option to spend it on a known item. This system would require the ability to earn Season Points beyond tier 100, to account for people that gambled away their points.

But to switch to a pure loot box system - no, that's not going to happen.

If there's 100 things in a given pass and the thing I had previously grinded out is at level 96-100, as would be typical, why would I be better suited with a strict battlepass with each unlock being fixed as opposed to a loot box with a random item and a chance of the higher tiered item I had previously being rewarded earlier knowing that loot boxes and the strict rewards are unlocked at the same interval?

I dunno, neverrmind.
I don't think I articulated my idea properly, and right now I don't have the time to try to re-word it.

We're not gonna see eye to eye on this, but know that the Halo community would be WAY more upset with some type of loot box system.

Well then they know how I feel about the trash system the game has now.

Definitely no to "loot boxes" those are hella lame. This system isn't that great either but it's not as bad as loot boxes. They should have at least let us get which ever item we wanted with our points versus only being able to use them on one item at a time, the points are really pointless as they are now. But it doesn't take that long to unlock everything.

I can't believe I'm reading that someone wants lootboxes.... So many people have been fighting the industry to get that crap out of here to the point of governments taking action against them.

Well, now you understand the suffering that is the battlepass in my eyes. It's just as bad.

LOL the suffering.... No need to be that dramatic. Especially how easy it is to get the items. It's also not really a battle pass IMO. No money is involved at all. There has been plenty of time time to get the xp to get everything and they even said players will always be able to go back and unlock the stuff IF by chance they weren't able to this "season"...how ever long these seasons are going to be which apparently pretty long since there hasn't been any word on when the next "season" is even going to start.

Big T Mac10 wrote:

LethalQ wrote:

Big T Mac10 wrote:

Jonny45k7236 wrote:

LethalQ wrote:

Big T Mac10 wrote:

AshamanND wrote:

Big T Mac10 wrote:

AshamanND wrote:

Big T Mac10 wrote:

AshamanND wrote:

Big T Mac10 wrote:

AshamanND wrote:

Big T Mac10,

[edit]I'm not sure if Mario kart is the best comparison - what exactly were the things that were unlocked? Modes, tracks etc? Pretty sure Reach in MCC lets you play any level you want right from the start, without having to beat a level first.

[/edit]Look, we're both fans of Halo, and we've both played a lot of the games. I'm glad we both love the series.
I appreciate your perspective on some of the things you mention - we're not gonna see eye to eye on the unlock system and I'm ok with that.

But seriously. You actually want MCC Loot boxes.
I don't even know what else to say.

OMG.
You: "No one can refute my claim."
Me: Easily refutes claim
You: "That doesn't count!"

No, it counts. Everything was locked in Mario Kart 8. Tracks, characters and parts. Deluxe unlocks the vast majority of it by default. It is literally the exact thing you insinuated has never happened in a remaster.

And why shouldn't I want loot boxes? If I'm going to get screwed by grinding out armor parts I don't want, why not increase my chance of getting the pieces I want earlier?

Tracks is like missions in Halo. They don't count. Honestly.
Parts (from my understanding) were still locked in Deluxe. Doesn't count.
Characters - OK, one part of this game had unlocks that were given. But not everything was unlocked, and that's my point.

I actually agree with you about getting armor parts I don't want too - the linear unlock system is dumb. The points should allow freedom of what to unlock. But having to unlock them, in my mind, isn't the issue (just the order).

If you want to die on the loot box hill, be my guest. People might have spent money on them in many games, but by and large the overall gaming community does not like them. Especially when randomized. Most people prefer playing and earning an unlock instead of paying for it. You're on the internet, you must know this, right?

lol I have nothing to lose by them adding loot boxes. That's my point. This system might as well be loot boxes to me and honestly I haven't heard why it would be a worse system than the one we have now. If the unlocks are all the exact same and all my character's gear are late pass unlocks then why wouldn't I want a gamble that I unlock them or some of them, earlier than the current system?
EDIT: You're conflating loot boxes with paid only loot boxes.

Paid loot boxes are the worst yes.

But even random 'free' loot boxes are entirely less satisfying than actually earning something through gameplay.

Loot boxes in any form are inferior.

The linear unlock system is definitely bad. Allowing for some type of choice in the spending of the Season Point would be much better.

Now, I will compromise on this loot box thing for one possibility.
If they gave us the choice of say 10 different things to unlock with our Season point within a certain tier, that would be good.
But also give us the choice to use that Season Point for a 'loot box' random opportunity to get something from a higher tier. But there would need to be an element of risk, perhaps there is also a chance that Season point spent on a loot box would yield nothing. At least there is a risk/reward involved now - but still giving us a guaranteed option to spend it on a known item. This system would require the ability to earn Season Points beyond tier 100, to account for people that gambled away their points.

But to switch to a pure loot box system - no, that's not going to happen.

If there's 100 things in a given pass and the thing I had previously grinded out is at level 96-100, as would be typical, why would I be better suited with a strict battlepass with each unlock being fixed as opposed to a loot box with a random item and a chance of the higher tiered item I had previously being rewarded earlier knowing that loot boxes and the strict rewards are unlocked at the same interval?

I dunno, neverrmind.
I don't think I articulated my idea properly, and right now I don't have the time to try to re-word it.

We're not gonna see eye to eye on this, but know that the Halo community would be WAY more upset with some type of loot box system.

Well then they know how I feel about the trash system the game has now.

Definitely no to "loot boxes" those are hella lame. This system isn't that great either but it's not as bad as loot boxes. They should have at least let us get which ever item we wanted with our points versus only being able to use them on one item at a time, the points are really pointless as they are now. But it doesn't take that long to unlock everything.

I can't believe I'm reading that someone wants lootboxes.... So many people have been fighting the industry to get that crap out of here to the point of governments taking action against them.

Well, now you understand the suffering that is the battlepass in my eyes. It's just as bad.

LOL the suffering.... No need to be that dramatic. Especially how easy it is to get the items. It's also not really a battle pass IMO. No money is involved at all. There has been plenty of time time to get the xp to get everything and they even said players will always be able to go back and unlock the stuff IF by chance they weren't able to this "season"...how ever long these seasons are going to be which apparently pretty long since there hasn't been any word on when the next "season" is even going to start.

OK same for loot boxes then. If you replaced every fixed unlock with a random loot box with an item that you don't already own, I fail to see how that's any worse than what we have now. Again, if anything it dramatically increases your odds of getting the thing you actually want earlier.
You're just hung up on the term loot boxes.

RNG doesn't increase your odds though over all. While there is a slim chance you can get the item you are after right away the odds are against it. As I said they way it should have worked is we players should have been able to use the points we got on the exact item we wanted.

LethalQ wrote:

Big T Mac10 wrote:

LethalQ wrote:

Big T Mac10 wrote:

Jonny45k7236 wrote:

LethalQ wrote:

Big T Mac10 wrote:

AshamanND wrote:

Big T Mac10 wrote:

AshamanND wrote:

Big T Mac10 wrote:

AshamanND wrote:

Big T Mac10 wrote:

AshamanND wrote:

Big T Mac10,

[edit]I'm not sure if Mario kart is the best comparison - what exactly were the things that were unlocked? Modes, tracks etc? Pretty sure Reach in MCC lets you play any level you want right from the start, without having to beat a level first.

[/edit]Look, we're both fans of Halo, and we've both played a lot of the games. I'm glad we both love the series.
I appreciate your perspective on some of the things you mention - we're not gonna see eye to eye on the unlock system and I'm ok with that.

But seriously. You actually want MCC Loot boxes.
I don't even know what else to say.

OMG.
You: "No one can refute my claim."
Me: Easily refutes claim
You: "That doesn't count!"

No, it counts. Everything was locked in Mario Kart 8. Tracks, characters and parts. Deluxe unlocks the vast majority of it by default. It is literally the exact thing you insinuated has never happened in a remaster.

And why shouldn't I want loot boxes? If I'm going to get screwed by grinding out armor parts I don't want, why not increase my chance of getting the pieces I want earlier?

Tracks is like missions in Halo. They don't count. Honestly.
Parts (from my understanding) were still locked in Deluxe. Doesn't count.
Characters - OK, one part of this game had unlocks that were given. But not everything was unlocked, and that's my point.

I actually agree with you about getting armor parts I don't want too - the linear unlock system is dumb. The points should allow freedom of what to unlock. But having to unlock them, in my mind, isn't the issue (just the order).

If you want to die on the loot box hill, be my guest. People might have spent money on them in many games, but by and large the overall gaming community does not like them. Especially when randomized. Most people prefer playing and earning an unlock instead of paying for it. You're on the internet, you must know this, right?

lol I have nothing to lose by them adding loot boxes. That's my point. This system might as well be loot boxes to me and honestly I haven't heard why it would be a worse system than the one we have now. If the unlocks are all the exact same and all my character's gear are late pass unlocks then why wouldn't I want a gamble that I unlock them or some of them, earlier than the current system?
EDIT: You're conflating loot boxes with paid only loot boxes.

Paid loot boxes are the worst yes.

But even random 'free' loot boxes are entirely less satisfying than actually earning something through gameplay.

Loot boxes in any form are inferior.

The linear unlock system is definitely bad. Allowing for some type of choice in the spending of the Season Point would be much better.

Now, I will compromise on this loot box thing for one possibility.
If they gave us the choice of say 10 different things to unlock with our Season point within a certain tier, that would be good.
But also give us the choice to use that Season Point for a 'loot box' random opportunity to get something from a higher tier. But there would need to be an element of risk, perhaps there is also a chance that Season point spent on a loot box would yield nothing. At least there is a risk/reward involved now - but still giving us a guaranteed option to spend it on a known item. This system would require the ability to earn Season Points beyond tier 100, to account for people that gambled away their points.

But to switch to a pure loot box system - no, that's not going to happen.

If there's 100 things in a given pass and the thing I had previously grinded out is at level 96-100, as would be typical, why would I be better suited with a strict battlepass with each unlock being fixed as opposed to a loot box with a random item and a chance of the higher tiered item I had previously being rewarded earlier knowing that loot boxes and the strict rewards are unlocked at the same interval?

I dunno, neverrmind.
I don't think I articulated my idea properly, and right now I don't have the time to try to re-word it.

We're not gonna see eye to eye on this, but know that the Halo community would be WAY more upset with some type of loot box system.

Well then they know how I feel about the trash system the game has now.

Definitely no to "loot boxes" those are hella lame. This system isn't that great either but it's not as bad as loot boxes. They should have at least let us get which ever item we wanted with our points versus only being able to use them on one item at a time, the points are really pointless as they are now. But it doesn't take that long to unlock everything.

I can't believe I'm reading that someone wants lootboxes.... So many people have been fighting the industry to get that crap out of here to the point of governments taking action against them.

Well, now you understand the suffering that is the battlepass in my eyes. It's just as bad.

LOL the suffering.... No need to be that dramatic. Especially how easy it is to get the items. It's also not really a battle pass IMO. No money is involved at all. There has been plenty of time time to get the xp to get everything and they even said players will always be able to go back and unlock the stuff IF by chance they weren't able to this "season"...how ever long these seasons are going to be which apparently pretty long since there hasn't been any word on when the next "season" is even going to start.

OK same for loot boxes then. If you replaced every fixed unlock with a random loot box with an item that you don't already own, I fail to see how that's any worse than what we have now. Again, if anything it dramatically increases your odds of getting the thing you actually want earlier.
You're just hung up on the term loot boxes.

RNG doesn't increase your odds though over all. While there is a slim chance you can get the item you are after right away the odds are against it. As I said they way it should have worked is we players should have been able to use the points we got on the exact item we wanted.

Technically no it doesn't overall if your only goal is to collect every single armor piece no matter how insignificant. It will take the full number of levels to collect the full number of items. Technically true. However, if your goal is to attain the high end items which are typically buried at the end of a battle pass then the random loot box increases your odds of receiving the high end item you actually want faster. The odds are not against relative to the item being one of the last 5 items in the battle pass. The odds by comparison of what we have are more in favor of getting the thing you want early.

What they should have done was let anybody who had achievements on Reach 360 before it was released for TMCC and allow those people to be able to unlock all the items. And then done the same unlock system they had in Reach.

Big T Mac10 wrote:

TheDonCJG wrote:

I understand not wanting to unlock everything again BUT it is a different game. That’s just the reality of it. It’s part of the progression system. If they handed it all out for free then what is your incentive to play?

To play the game as I remember it as me, the guy with a certain look. As it stands now I honestly am discouraged from playing. It's like why even bother if it's not representative of me. They turned the thing I liked into a job because I had already done it before.

Please don't post multiple time in a row. If you need to add more information or quote other users, you can edit your last post. Thanks

Big T Mac10 wrote:

LethalQ wrote:

Big T Mac10 wrote:

Jonny45k7236 wrote:

LethalQ wrote:

Big T Mac10 wrote:

AshamanND wrote:

Big T Mac10 wrote:

AshamanND wrote:

Big T Mac10 wrote:

AshamanND wrote:

Big T Mac10 wrote:

AshamanND wrote:

Big T Mac10,

[edit]I'm not sure if Mario kart is the best comparison - what exactly were the things that were unlocked? Modes, tracks etc? Pretty sure Reach in MCC lets you play any level you want right from the start, without having to beat a level first.

[/edit]Look, we're both fans of Halo, and we've both played a lot of the games. I'm glad we both love the series.
I appreciate your perspective on some of the things you mention - we're not gonna see eye to eye on the unlock system and I'm ok with that.

But seriously. You actually want MCC Loot boxes.
I don't even know what else to say.

OMG.
You: "No one can refute my claim."
Me: Easily refutes claim
You: "That doesn't count!"

No, it counts. Everything was locked in Mario Kart 8. Tracks, characters and parts. Deluxe unlocks the vast majority of it by default. It is literally the exact thing you insinuated has never happened in a remaster.

And why shouldn't I want loot boxes? If I'm going to get screwed by grinding out armor parts I don't want, why not increase my chance of getting the pieces I want earlier?

Tracks is like missions in Halo. They don't count. Honestly.
Parts (from my understanding) were still locked in Deluxe. Doesn't count.
Characters - OK, one part of this game had unlocks that were given. But not everything was unlocked, and that's my point.

I actually agree with you about getting armor parts I don't want too - the linear unlock system is dumb. The points should allow freedom of what to unlock. But having to unlock them, in my mind, isn't the issue (just the order).

If you want to die on the loot box hill, be my guest. People might have spent money on them in many games, but by and large the overall gaming community does not like them. Especially when randomized. Most people prefer playing and earning an unlock instead of paying for it. You're on the internet, you must know this, right?

lol I have nothing to lose by them adding loot boxes. That's my point. This system might as well be loot boxes to me and honestly I haven't heard why it would be a worse system than the one we have now. If the unlocks are all the exact same and all my character's gear are late pass unlocks then why wouldn't I want a gamble that I unlock them or some of them, earlier than the current system?
EDIT: You're conflating loot boxes with paid only loot boxes.

Paid loot boxes are the worst yes.

But even random 'free' loot boxes are entirely less satisfying than actually earning something through gameplay.

Loot boxes in any form are inferior.

The linear unlock system is definitely bad. Allowing for some type of choice in the spending of the Season Point would be much better.

Now, I will compromise on this loot box thing for one possibility.
If they gave us the choice of say 10 different things to unlock with our Season point within a certain tier, that would be good.
But also give us the choice to use that Season Point for a 'loot box' random opportunity to get something from a higher tier. But there would need to be an element of risk, perhaps there is also a chance that Season point spent on a loot box would yield nothing. At least there is a risk/reward involved now - but still giving us a guaranteed option to spend it on a known item. This system would require the ability to earn Season Points beyond tier 100, to account for people that gambled away their points.

But to switch to a pure loot box system - no, that's not going to happen.

If there's 100 things in a given pass and the thing I had previously grinded out is at level 96-100, as would be typical, why would I be better suited with a strict battlepass with each unlock being fixed as opposed to a loot box with a random item and a chance of the higher tiered item I had previously being rewarded earlier knowing that loot boxes and the strict rewards are unlocked at the same interval?

I dunno, neverrmind.
I don't think I articulated my idea properly, and right now I don't have the time to try to re-word it.

We're not gonna see eye to eye on this, but know that the Halo community would be WAY more upset with some type of loot box system.

Well then they know how I feel about the trash system the game has now.

Definitely no to "loot boxes" those are hella lame. This system isn't that great either but it's not as bad as loot boxes. They should have at least let us get which ever item we wanted with our points versus only being able to use them on one item at a time, the points are really pointless as they are now. But it doesn't take that long to unlock everything.

I can't believe I'm reading that someone wants lootboxes.... So many people have been fighting the industry to get that crap out of here to the point of governments taking action against them.

Well, now you understand the suffering that is the battlepass in my eyes. It's just as bad.

LOL the suffering.... No need to be that dramatic. Especially how easy it is to get the items. It's also not really a battle pass IMO. No money is involved at all. There has been plenty of time time to get the xp to get everything and they even said players will always be able to go back and unlock the stuff IF by chance they weren't able to this "season"...how ever long these seasons are going to be which apparently pretty long since there hasn't been any word on when the next "season" is even going to start.

OK same for loot boxes then. If you replaced every fixed unlock with a random loot box with an item that you don't already own, I fail to see how that's any worse than what we have now. Again, if anything it dramatically increases your odds of getting the thing you actually want earlier.
You're just hung up on the term loot boxes.

Because with at least the current system your unlocks are not based on random luck which IS the worst way to earn ANYTHING in any video game. At least this way I know what I am working towards and when I will get it. On top of that this system does not use real money so most of the disadvantages of it are gone. Most games have this linear unlock system, whether they lay them out on a straight line is irrelevant if you still earn them in the same order anyway.

Jonny45k7236 wrote:

Big T Mac10 wrote:

LethalQ wrote:

Big T Mac10 wrote:

Jonny45k7236 wrote:

LethalQ wrote:

Big T Mac10 wrote:

AshamanND wrote:

Big T Mac10 wrote:

AshamanND wrote:

Big T Mac10 wrote:

AshamanND wrote:

Big T Mac10 wrote:

AshamanND wrote:

Big T Mac10,

[edit]I'm not sure if Mario kart is the best comparison - what exactly were the things that were unlocked? Modes, tracks etc? Pretty sure Reach in MCC lets you play any level you want right from the start, without having to beat a level first.

[/edit]Look, we're both fans of Halo, and we've both played a lot of the games. I'm glad we both love the series.
I appreciate your perspective on some of the things you mention - we're not gonna see eye to eye on the unlock system and I'm ok with that.

But seriously. You actually want MCC Loot boxes.
I don't even know what else to say.

OMG.
You: "No one can refute my claim."
Me: Easily refutes claim
You: "That doesn't count!"

No, it counts. Everything was locked in Mario Kart 8. Tracks, characters and parts. Deluxe unlocks the vast majority of it by default. It is literally the exact thing you insinuated has never happened in a remaster.

And why shouldn't I want loot boxes? If I'm going to get screwed by grinding out armor parts I don't want, why not increase my chance of getting the pieces I want earlier?

Tracks is like missions in Halo. They don't count. Honestly.
Parts (from my understanding) were still locked in Deluxe. Doesn't count.
Characters - OK, one part of this game had unlocks that were given. But not everything was unlocked, and that's my point.

I actually agree with you about getting armor parts I don't want too - the linear unlock system is dumb. The points should allow freedom of what to unlock. But having to unlock them, in my mind, isn't the issue (just the order).

If you want to die on the loot box hill, be my guest. People might have spent money on them in many games, but by and large the overall gaming community does not like them. Especially when randomized. Most people prefer playing and earning an unlock instead of paying for it. You're on the internet, you must know this, right?

lol I have nothing to lose by them adding loot boxes. That's my point. This system might as well be loot boxes to me and honestly I haven't heard why it would be a worse system than the one we have now. If the unlocks are all the exact same and all my character's gear are late pass unlocks then why wouldn't I want a gamble that I unlock them or some of them, earlier than the current system?
EDIT: You're conflating loot boxes with paid only loot boxes.

Paid loot boxes are the worst yes.

But even random 'free' loot boxes are entirely less satisfying than actually earning something through gameplay.

Loot boxes in any form are inferior.

The linear unlock system is definitely bad. Allowing for some type of choice in the spending of the Season Point would be much better.

Now, I will compromise on this loot box thing for one possibility.
If they gave us the choice of say 10 different things to unlock with our Season point within a certain tier, that would be good.
But also give us the choice to use that Season Point for a 'loot box' random opportunity to get something from a higher tier. But there would need to be an element of risk, perhaps there is also a chance that Season point spent on a loot box would yield nothing. At least there is a risk/reward involved now - but still giving us a guaranteed option to spend it on a known item. This system would require the ability to earn Season Points beyond tier 100, to account for people that gambled away their points.

But to switch to a pure loot box system - no, that's not going to happen.

If there's 100 things in a given pass and the thing I had previously grinded out is at level 96-100, as would be typical, why would I be better suited with a strict battlepass with each unlock being fixed as opposed to a loot box with a random item and a chance of the higher tiered item I had previously being rewarded earlier knowing that loot boxes and the strict rewards are unlocked at the same interval?

I dunno, neverrmind.
I don't think I articulated my idea properly, and right now I don't have the time to try to re-word it.

We're not gonna see eye to eye on this, but know that the Halo community would be WAY more upset with some type of loot box system.

Well then they know how I feel about the trash system the game has now.

Definitely no to "loot boxes" those are hella lame. This system isn't that great either but it's not as bad as loot boxes. They should have at least let us get which ever item we wanted with our points versus only being able to use them on one item at a time, the points are really pointless as they are now. But it doesn't take that long to unlock everything.

I can't believe I'm reading that someone wants lootboxes.... So many people have been fighting the industry to get that crap out of here to the point of governments taking action against them.

Well, now you understand the suffering that is the battlepass in my eyes. It's just as bad.

LOL the suffering.... No need to be that dramatic. Especially how easy it is to get the items. It's also not really a battle pass IMO. No money is involved at all. There has been plenty of time time to get the xp to get everything and they even said players will always be able to go back and unlock the stuff IF by chance they weren't able to this "season"...how ever long these seasons are going to be which apparently pretty long since there hasn't been any word on when the next "season" is even going to start.

OK same for loot boxes then. If you replaced every fixed unlock with a random loot box with an item that you don't already own, I fail to see how that's any worse than what we have now. Again, if anything it dramatically increases your odds of getting the thing you actually want earlier.
You're just hung up on the term loot boxes.

Because with at least the current system your unlocks are not based on random luck which IS the worst way to earn ANYTHING in any video game. At least this way I know what I am working towards and when I will get it. On top of that this system does not use real money so most of the disadvantages of it are gone. Most games have this linear unlock system, whether they lay them out on a straight line is irrelevant if you still earn them in the same order anyway.

It IS NOT the WORST way to earn ANYTHING if the OTHER OPTION is likely going to take LONGER to grind the thing you want.
There are two systems, A and B. You want item X.

System A gives 1 item at every level.
System A gives item X at level 100. It will take you exactly 100 levels to get item X.
System B gives you 1 of 100 random items, non-duplicates every level for 100 levels.
System B will give you item X no later than level 100. It might also give you item X on level 1. On average system B will give you item X well before level 100.

How is system B worse than system A when the thing that I want is item X? How does it benefit me to grind through 100 levels minimum when I might only have to grind 1 level, or 5 levels, or 99 levels? Are all those possibilities not shorter than level 100? At absolute worst luck ever the punishment of grinding is grinding... the same amount of levels as system A.

AshamanND wrote:

You are incorrectly assuming that the odds of getting each item would be equal. That's highly unlikely, based on how 343 did the H5 reqs.
Aside from that - getting something randomly 'gifted' to you from a box you open cheapens it drastically. People will look at you wearing item 'x' and say "oh great, they got lucky in their box thingy" instead of saying "that person put in the time and deserves the reward they got".

It doesn't matter if they're equal, the odds of getting the late level item is still higher than than waiting to level 100. Even if the odds are a fraction of a fraction of a percent it's still faster than system A. This is math.
And no, you earn the loot box just as much as you earn the dumb thing in the battle pass. It doesn't cheapen it drastically. The only thing it does is build up brief suspense and excitement.
And if I saw people in Reach having the thing I want I don't say "That person put in the time and deserves the reward they got." Quite the opposite. Instead, I see that and I say "That trash kid didn't earn that. All he did was play like crap for several hours. He didn't earn a thing. My grind for that was ten times harder and I did it ten years ago. Where is my reward. That kid is trash. I'm gonna report that no life." And you know why that reaction comes out? BECAUSE I ALREADY EARNED IT YEARS AGO. I just get angry because that's just more proof that I got cheated out of the thing I already had while some Fortnite punk is just given the thing because he was still in diapers when Reach came out. So no, I'm not buying that nonsense about him eArNiNg it. If he wants to earn it he can sack up and earn it in OG Reach. I just angry because I already earned it and have nothing to show for it. That's a way worse feeling than thinking they lucked out from a loot box because it just reminds me how much I got screwed by TMCC.

AshamanND wrote:

You are telling me that 60 FPS, no motion blur, upgraded 4k visuals is the same game?

What story changes did they make to reach? What balance changes did they make to player movement, HP, weapons damage, RoF, etc. for TMCC?

Quote:

Mario Kart is a terrible example of a remaster with supposedly everything unlocked - because it didn't have everything unlocked.
No other game that I know of has had a re-release with everything just unlocked for you.

Mario Kart didn't have everything unlocked. It's still better than Halo Reach though, because it had more unlocked than Reach, which isn't even locked, it's blocked. XP caps? That's a barrier actively preventing you from gaining items that you probably already earned years ago.

Quote:

Anyway, OG Reach took about 100 days of playing time to unlock it all, while MCC Reach takes around 100 hours.Big difference.

Less droppings in the punch bowl are still droppings in the punch bowl. And that's what this is. I was happy for Reach to come back, but this is a dropping in the punch bowl that makes me not want to play it.

MCC is supposed to be "re-living" the experience of Halo....so you should have to re-earn the stuff. Just like how we had to re-earn the achievements. It was so disappointing when I saw the H3 armors just there. They should have been re-earned as well. I get why some don't like re-earning the stuff but just be glad it doesn't take much to do it. But I am pretty sure next season how to unlock stuff will be different as they said changes are going to be made. Hopefully we can use the points as we want instead of a linear style system.

Big T Mac10 wrote:

AshamanND wrote:

Quote:

"That trash kid didn't earn that. All he did was play like crap for several hours. He didn't earn a thing. My grind for that was ten times harder and I did it ten years ago. Where is my reward. That kid is trash. I'm gonna report that no life."

If you're mad at how the game is, no reason to take it out on the community - that's just a terrible attitude.

It's the same situation you're describing when you said "oh great, they got lucky in their box thingy." So why would you hold it against the the guy who got lucky off a loot box (an unsubstantiated claim) but not hold the bad system against the guy? I was only going the the emotional response you proposed and in the theoretical situation those reactions should be treated equally. If you don't want to do one thing because it harbors this potential negative response, you should also not do the other thing that invokes a more negative response either.

Also, I think you're downplaying the extremely thinly veiled animosity toward the game in that post.

Compare and contrast two quotes:
"oh great, they got lucky in their box thingy."

"That trash kid didn't earn that. All he did was play like crap for several hours. He didn't earn a thing. My grind for that was ten times harder and I did it ten years ago. Where is my reward. That kid is trash. I'm gonna report that no life."

My quote holds nothing against the person who got lucky. It's an observation that they got lucky.
Your quote demeans and insults the person. Followed by an attack and action against them.

These aren't even remotely close to the same reaction.

You also conveniently ignored my point about the player that might want to unlock items currently in tier 20, that with a loot box system, might not unlock until tier 100.
Loot boxes are never better.

Quote:

I just angry because I already earned it and have nothing to show for it.

Not true - it's still there in OG Reach. Stop forgetting that.