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Why Do I have to unlock the Reach armour again?

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Vytlo5569 wrote:
God1383 wrote:
Yea.. this is a little startling for me as well. I know people wanted customization, but to have to redo everything? That seems a little out there.
Ya’ll need to understand, unlocking stuff makes the game a lot more fun than just having it.(For most people) Also, if anyone complains it takes to long and they don’t wanna do, I got 15 tiers yesterday in 3.5 hours. Seriously, just go with it.
And not everyone has time to do that. I love the multiplayer of Halo, but I'm also not in the mood to just grind it out in multiplayer where I'd rather be playing campaign or something else. If they want me to just waste my time doing the same thing over and over before I get even a hint of something I may actually like, then I'm going to feel bad for 343i when they keep getting posts about people just sitting in the matches AFK, but I'm not going to just seamlessly grind or something that already took a LOT of my time to unlock once before.
I suppose I’m not in the BEST position to say anything, because I play plenty when I get home everyday, and I really don’t care how my spartan looks right now. I understand many others are hung up on that, and I really can’t blame them.
Yeah sorry bro but you are gonna have to start at the bottom like the rest of us. I know the new unlock system isnt great but I would rather have it than everyone just getting the old armor set they were rocking, With that said I still think the new system needs to be improved its pointless for me to want to unlock some HAZOP heads that I will never use. 343 Knows this and will be making some changes soon.
I would much rather prefer just everyone being given all the armor to this system. MCC is basically supposed to be the experience from all of these past games, which is why it made sense we had access to all the old armor. If anything, what they should've done was give us all the Reach armor from the start and how they said they were even going to be adding new armor to the game that wasn't in Reach, make THAT the armor you had to work to get. And even then, it would need a different, better system to unlock it.
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I love to earn the reward. It hasn't bothered me.
I can see both sides on this issue. Yes, many people are frustrated that they have to unlock everything over again. On the other hand, I would have hated it if everyone had everything unlocked from the start. I also would have hated it if the armor unlocked as slow as the OG Reach.

In all, I think 343i could have screwed up the unlock system a lot more. The only thing I would have done differently is allow Any piece of armor to be purchased with the season points. Maybe put higher level items as worth 5 and the lowest as worth 1. That way if someone wants their favorite helmet at the beginning, they can save up a few ranks.
The way 343 implemented the unlock system for Reach MCC is way too linear and tedious, in the original version of Reach you could spend the Credits you earned in any order you wished. I feel they should have let players spend their season points in whatever order they wanted, increase XP gains, lift XP caps in each match along with bringing Score Attack to Firefight Matchmaking.

Though I also felt that the unlocks should have been through the Reach related achievements added with each one giving you an unlock point and if you wanted Haunted Helmet and Eternal Armor Effect? Then you would had to collect all 100 to get em.
How many other games that got a re-release (that aren't Halo) and people got to keep their stuff - vs how many where they do?
I'll wait.
Ki11s0n3 wrote:
Delta5931 wrote:
Ki11s0n3 wrote:
Delta5931 wrote:
rapidwarp wrote:
Yea.. this is a little startling for me as well. I know people wanted customization, but to have to redo everything? That seems a little out there.
Well player's need a reason to level up dude. Why is this even a thread. The majority of the fan base wanted this. Why should 343 cater to your specific needs.
I wouldnt have minded a system that toned down the grinding, but this is awful. You get no EXP for Campaign or Custom games, EXP gain itself feels incredibly slow, and you dont unlock any shoulder customization until Tier 2. If it took me 2 hours to get to the Recon helmet, how long will it take me to get some Shoulder pads? Or a chestpiece? I'd take the old system any day over this new one.
The XP system isn't slow if you can finish a whole tier and more in about 2 hours. It's not like the season is going to end by Friday. You'll have months to get everything just by casually playing and you'll get everything pretty fast. You obviously haven't played any other games ever if you think this is a horrible grind.
I did not finish a tier. I got three unlocks from the first tier after two hours of game time. The issue isnt the season ending, it's that it's going to take hours to get the content that I want or customization options I want that would otherwise be avaliable almost at the start in the original Reach.

There are worse grinds than this, but this is pretty bad. I'd also advise against making generalized assumptions about how many games I've played, pal.
As I said in the other post if you got 3 unlocks in 2 hours you're the problem not the game and that's how it is with literally every game with unlocks even the original Reach. You have to work for the unlocks just like you do in every other game and just like you did with the original Reach. Go back and play it again because you did not have all the customization right off the bat like you think you did.

And you obviously haven't played a whole lot if your finding this hard to grasp.
Well MCC Halo 4 you get all the armor unlocks without doing anything and I paid $60 for the game so.....yeah.
X19Doug95 wrote:
It wasn't that fun back on the 360 and it looks less fun now.

Like who asked for this? And why did you ask for this? I already unlocked everything. I don't want to do it again.
343 is worried about new players catching feelings over it.

If you got to carry over inclement weather on your account over to MCC, kids would be having a fit because it would take them forever to get it.

In 2019 everything is given not earned. Everyone needs their safe space and to be treated like a special little snow flake. Showing up = winning.
X19Doug95 wrote:
It wasn't that fun back on the 360 and it looks less fun now.

Like who asked for this? And why did you ask for this? I already unlocked everything. I don't want to do it again.
I'm not 100% sure on this, but I've been doing alot of information gathering on it, compiling reports etc. I've spent alot of time on the dark web. It's still a little too early to tell, but I swear I believe it's because 343i wanted it/ designed it to be this way!
Ki11s0n3 wrote:
ParrotTom wrote:
Ki11s0n3 wrote:
ParrotTom wrote:
X19Doug95 wrote:
It wasn't that fun back on the 360 and it looks less fun now.

Like who asked for this? And why did you ask for this? I already unlocked everything. I don't want to do it again.
Well as long as the grind isn't insanely long, I'll deal with it. Though I do have to ask why we need to unlock the preorder bonuses and the Eternal effect, we already paid for the bonuses, up to $150+ and Eternal was basically a gift.
Maybe because it's a brand new game. You didn't pay $150 for this game you paid $10. This is not the same game that you bought on the 360. You do not get everything for free just because you played the original. Have you never played a remaster before?
I never said I shouldn't have to earn everything again, just that we shouldn't have to do so with like 4 items, 3 of which I bought with my money in the original. I'm not asking for anything that was locked behind levels and credits, just the 1 armor effect they gave to us, the Officer, Recon UA/HUL3, and the Legendary effect. When did I say anything like "I earned it, I shouldn't have to do it again"? You can't earn those 4 items in the original, you had to buy 3 of them, the other was a gift on Bungie day that was unlocked through Halo Waypoint.
And 343 isn't Bungie. It's a new game from a different company. Should feel lucky they decided to add everything even those items you paid for into the game and free at that. All you have to do is play the game. You paid for the items when Reach came out originally and got to use them. 343 is in no way obligated to give anyone anything for free or give them all their armor unlocks just because they played the original.
I'll add to that, that 343 wasn't obligated to even remaster Reach! I'll just remain thankful to have some kind of reward system on MCC now. Now not only do I get to play my favorite games, but I also get to unlock stuff while doing it! I would be on MCC til next Holiday anyway, for I'm not a Halo abandoner, so it feels really nice!
Alright, I've been playing since CE days...hell, it's the reason I switched to Xbox, and for nearly 2 decades that's been my console.
Cut my multiplayer teeth on Lockout
Got lots of rando's on live the skulls on 3
Dropped with the ODST's
Won the Wars with Cutter
Killed the Didact in 4
Fell in love with Exuberant Witness in 5
And I'm eagerly awaiting Infinite.

And I've just finished reading through this entire thread.....

So here's my take.
This new system? It's nice! Straightforward. I like it, except there is but one tiny issue with the entire thing, that makes it utterly frustrating for me...

I kind of wish we could unlock what we wanted with the points, it was confusing at first.
That.
That's the problem.

Half my armor I don't get till level 70
That's insane.
As a 32yo working salt
I don't have enough hours in my day to grind that far.
Neither do I want to
Neither should I have to
Literally kills my want to play.

Now, if they kept the same system, but rid itself of the linearity, it would be perfect.This just makes it incredibly unwelcoming to the returning player base.
Of course you would still need to unlock base versions of helmets and so on so forth, but this, coupled together with a reset of points allocation (all armors back to being locked, all earned points refunded), this would get me back into the game right this second.
Then, I'd have my base armor set up by now, and everything after would feel like an actual reward, not feel like another ugly grind I gotta go through to like my look.
People like to be individuals, and locking customization behind months of grind with no control over what is given is kinda anti-consumer.....

Think about it, what sounds better?
"If you really want to look unique again, we're going to force you to play for hours to get it, hope you enjoy having no control over rewards"
or
"If you really want to look unique again, play for a week at most, you'll have enough to get it all for sure, and everything after is just bonus stuff!"

The first one calls me Vassal,
The second calls me Liege.

That's it, that's all.
That's all I want.
Is that so hard?
Modemus wrote:
Alright, I've been playing since CE days...hell, it's the reason I switched to Xbox, and for nearly 2 decades that's been my console.
Cut my multiplayer teeth on Lockout
Got lots of rando's on live the skulls on 3
Dropped with the ODST's
Won the Wars with Cutter
Killed the Didact in 4
Fell in love with Exuberant Witness in 5
And I'm eagerly awaiting Infinite.

And I've just finished reading through this entire thread.....

So here's my take.
This new system? It's nice! Straightforward. I like it, except there is but one tiny issue with the entire thing, that makes it utterly frustrating for me...

I kind of wish we could unlock what we wanted with the points, it was confusing at first.
That.
That's the problem.

Half my armor I don't get till level 70
That's insane.
As a 32yo working salt
I don't have enough hours in my day to grind that far.
Neither do I want to
Neither should I have to
Literally kills my want to play.

Now, if they kept the same system, but rid itself of the linearity, it would be perfect.This just makes it incredibly unwelcoming to the returning player base.
Of course you would still need to unlock base versions of helmets and so on so forth, but this, coupled together with a reset of points allocation (all armors back to being locked, all earned points refunded), this would get me back into the game right this second.
Then, I'd have my base armor set up by now, and everything after would feel like an actual reward, not feel like another ugly grind I gotta go through to like my look.
People like to be individuals, and locking customization behind months of grind with no control over what is given is kinda anti-consumer.....

Think about it, what sounds better?
"If you really want to look unique again, we're going to force you to play for hours to get it, hope you enjoy having no control over rewards"
or
"If you really want to look unique again, play for a week at most, you'll have enough to get it all for sure, and everything after is just bonus stuff!"

The first one calls me Vassal,
The second calls me Liege.

That's it, that's all.
That's all I want.
Is that so hard?
Bro, I feel your pain. All I want is my Gungnir I'm shocked my Pestilence effect is able to be received faster than Gungnir.
I don’t get the players moaning about how much easier it was to unlock armor in the original Reach. Like, did you guys even play Reach on the 360? Sure you get a few pieces earlier but most of the armor was locked until higher ranks. You certainly couldn’t buy what ever you wanted. At least now the most casual player shouldn’t have a problem unlocking everything within a year. So the ODST helmet requires you to level up a few times, big deal. Just play the game, have fun, and rank up. The original Reach’s grind was far worse than this.
Ki11s0n3 wrote:
ParrotTom wrote:
Ki11s0n3 wrote:
ParrotTom wrote:
X19Doug95 wrote:
It wasn't that fun back on the 360 and it looks less fun now.

Like who asked for this? And why did you ask for this? I already unlocked everything. I don't want to do it again.
Well as long as the grind isn't insanely long, I'll deal with it. Though I do have to ask why we need to unlock the preorder bonuses and the Eternal effect, we already paid for the bonuses, up to $150+ and Eternal was basically a gift.
Maybe because it's a brand new game. You didn't pay $150 for this game you paid $10. This is not the same game that you bought on the 360. You do not get everything for free just because you played the original. Have you never played a remaster before?
I never said I shouldn't have to earn everything again, just that we shouldn't have to do so with like 4 items, 3 of which I bought with my money in the original. I'm not asking for anything that was locked behind levels and credits, just the 1 armor effect they gave to us, the Officer, Recon UA/HUL3, and the Legendary effect. When did I say anything like "I earned it, I shouldn't have to do it again"? You can't earn those 4 items in the original, you had to buy 3 of them, the other was a gift on Bungie day that was unlocked through Halo Waypoint.
And 343 isn't Bungie. It's a new game from a different company. Should feel lucky they decided to add everything even those items you paid for into the game and free at that. All you have to do is play the game. You paid for the items when Reach came out originally and got to use them. 343 is in no way obligated to give anyone anything for free or give them all their armor unlocks just because they played the original.
343 did the same thing for Halo 4 on the MCC and we get all the armor pieces for doing nothing so....
Ki11s0n3 wrote:
Ki11s0n3 wrote:
Ki11s0n3 wrote:
ParrotTom wrote:
Ki11s0n3 wrote:
ParrotTom wrote:
X19Doug95 wrote:
It wasn't that fun back on the 360 and it looks less fun now.

Like who asked for this? And why did you ask for this? I already unlocked everything. I don't want to do it again.
Well as long as the grind isn't insanely long, I'll deal with it. Though I do have to ask why we need to unlock the preorder bonuses and the Eternal effect, we already paid for the bonuses, up to $150+ and Eternal was basically a gift.
Maybe because it's a brand new game. You didn't pay $150 for this game you paid $10. This is not the same game that you bought on the 360. You do not get everything for free just because you played the original. Have you never played a remaster before?
I never said I shouldn't have to earn everything again, just that we shouldn't have to do so with like 4 items, 3 of which I bought with my money in the original. I'm not asking for anything that was locked behind levels and credits, just the 1 armor effect they gave to us, the Officer, Recon UA/HUL3, and the Legendary effect. When did I say anything like "I earned it, I shouldn't have to do it again"? You can't earn those 4 items in the original, you had to buy 3 of them, the other was a gift on Bungie day that was unlocked through Halo Waypoint.
And 343 isn't Bungie. It's a new game from a different company. Should feel lucky they decided to add everything even those items you paid for into the game and free at that. All you have to do is play the game. You paid for the items when Reach came out originally and got to use them. 343 is in no way obligated to give anyone anything for free or give them all their armor unlocks just because they played the original.
Well then why don't I have all my achievements unlocked as well from when I played it or when I played Halo 3. You know I worked hard on those as well. You guys saying you worked hard to get the stuff isn't good enough. Guess what you did work hard and you got the unlocks for it and you got to enjoy them when that game was alive, but guess what. It isn't anymore. This new reach is a new game it's not that game. You want to show off your stuff from a different game then have it on your profile.

I agree that it would have been cool to have a nameplate or something for people that played the original, but in no way did I even think that i should have all my progress carried and unlocks carried over to a new game just because I worked hard 10 years ago playing the original and you thinking you guys should just shows how entitled you are.
Yes. I am exactly as entitled as the people who demanded the full armor customization be implemented into MCC in the first place.

I'd like my solid gold house and rocket car now, please.

P.S. Halo 3 came with the armor unlocked in MCC. Want a mulligan? You can keep comparing apples to oranges if you want. I'll just say bananas every time you do.
You were never going to get the same system and your delusional if you think you were, but they did give us a pretty decent one. What you're failing to realize is that they added in not just the Reach armors they opened it up for New ones as well. By having the unlock system it gives players a reason to come back and keep playing. You wanting them all just unlocked and handed to you is what makes you entitled because God forbid you actually have to earn something. We're lucky they are even still updating the thing after all this time and giving us new features and games to keep coming back to when they could of just said screw it and left Reach where it was and not port the game's to PC and just focused on Infinite.
People going to play Halo Reach regardless of the armory. It's HALO REACH it's considered one of the best second to Halo 3. We're not upset that we have to EARN something we are upset because in Halo 3 and Halo 4 you get all armor customization unlocks and for Halo 2 remastered. So out of all the games that are on the MCC this is the one game where they implemented this? This is a forum to express our opinion not get be whittled because we want to express our opinions.
I can see both sides on this issue. Yes, many people are frustrated that they have to unlock everything over again. On the other hand, I would have hated it if everyone had everything unlocked from the start. I also would have hated it if the armor unlocked as slow as the OG Reach.

In all, I think 343i could have screwed up the unlock system a lot more. The only thing I would have done differently is allow Any piece of armor to be purchased with the season points. Maybe put higher level items as worth 5 and the lowest as worth 1. That way if someone wants their favorite helmet at the beginning, they can save up a few ranks.
I like this idea it doesn't seem tedious and it doesn't mess up their system, makes a lot of sense 343 should hire you lol
I can see both sides on this issue. Yes, many people are frustrated that they have to unlock everything over again. On the other hand, I would have hated it if everyone had everything unlocked from the start. I also would have hated it if the armor unlocked as slow as the OG Reach.

In all, I think 343i could have screwed up the unlock system a lot more. The only thing I would have done differently is allow Any piece of armor to be purchased with the season points. Maybe put higher level items as worth 5 and the lowest as worth 1. That way if someone wants their favorite helmet at the beginning, they can save up a few ranks.
I like this idea it doesn't seem tedious and it doesn't mess up their system, makes a lot of sense 343 should hire you lol
These two. Basically this. I don't want my stuff handed to me on a silver platter, I like earning stuff and have no issues with doing so again for reach. It's just the linear unlock progression I hate. It forces me to play to get what I want, instead of rewarding me for play. This doesn't feel like reward for play, it feels like conscription for service.
All of these issues would be resolved if they removed that linear unlock rule. That's all that's needed to fix this, and I will continue to harp on that point until it's changed or MCC CE comes out.

Literally just a few dozen lines of code at most, and all our gripes have their teeth taken out.
Edit: just realized adding a refund points button would make it both accessible to new players to find their look, and make the rest of us much happier..
Ki11s0n3 wrote:
Ki11s0n3 wrote:
Ki11s0n3 wrote:
ParrotTom wrote:
Ki11s0n3 wrote:
ParrotTom wrote:
X19Doug95 wrote:
It wasn't that fun back on the 360 and it looks less fun now.

Like who asked for this? And why did you ask for this? I already unlocked everything. I don't want to do it again.
Well as long as the grind isn't insanely long, I'll deal with it. Though I do have to ask why we need to unlock the preorder bonuses and the Eternal effect, we already paid for the bonuses, up to $150+ and Eternal was basically a gift.
Maybe because it's a brand new game. You didn't pay $150 for this game you paid $10. This is not the same game that you bought on the 360. You do not get everything for free just because you played the original. Have you never played a remaster before?
I never said I shouldn't have to earn everything again, just that we shouldn't have to do so with like 4 items, 3 of which I bought with my money in the original. I'm not asking for anything that was locked behind levels and credits, just the 1 armor effect they gave to us, the Officer, Recon UA/HUL3, and the Legendary effect. When did I say anything like "I earned it, I shouldn't have to do it again"? You can't earn those 4 items in the original, you had to buy 3 of them, the other was a gift on Bungie day that was unlocked through Halo Waypoint.
And 343 isn't Bungie. It's a new game from a different company. Should feel lucky they decided to add everything even those items you paid for into the game and free at that. All you have to do is play the game. You paid for the items when Reach came out originally and got to use them. 343 is in no way obligated to give anyone anything for free or give them all their armor unlocks just because they played the original.
Well then why don't I have all my achievements unlocked as well from when I played it or when I played Halo 3. You know I worked hard on those as well. You guys saying you worked hard to get the stuff isn't good enough. Guess what you did work hard and you got the unlocks for it and you got to enjoy them when that game was alive, but guess what. It isn't anymore. This new reach is a new game it's not that game. You want to show off your stuff from a different game then have it on your profile.

I agree that it would have been cool to have a nameplate or something for people that played the original, but in no way did I even think that i should have all my progress carried and unlocks carried over to a new game just because I worked hard 10 years ago playing the original and you thinking you guys should just shows how entitled you are.
Yes. I am exactly as entitled as the people who demanded the full armor customization be implemented into MCC in the first place.

I'd like my solid gold house and rocket car now, please.

P.S. Halo 3 came with the armor unlocked in MCC. Want a mulligan? You can keep comparing apples to oranges if you want. I'll just say bananas every time you do.
You were never going to get the same system and your delusional if you think you were, but they did give us a pretty decent one. What you're failing to realize is that they added in not just the Reach armors they opened it up for New ones as well. By having the unlock system it gives players a reason to come back and keep playing. You wanting them all just unlocked and handed to you is what makes you entitled because God forbid you actually have to earn something. We're lucky they are even still updating the thing after all this time and giving us new features and games to keep coming back to when they could of just said screw it and left Reach where it was and not port the game's to PC and just focused on Infinite.
People going to play Halo Reach regardless of the armory. It's HALO REACH it's considered one of the best second to Halo 3. We're not upset that we have to EARN something we are upset because in Halo 3 and Halo 4 you get all armor customization unlocks and for Halo 2 remastered. So out of all the games that are on the MCC this is the one game where they implemented this? This is a forum to express our opinion not get be whittled because we want to express our opinions.
I started thinking of this exact thing the other day. Every other game in MCC has all of its content unlocked from the beginning, and was one of the main advertised features they played on when promoting the game, so why lock Reach's armor? I get it from a business standpoint, but it doesn't make any less sense considering what game they were porting Reach into.
Cause it's a new game, stop being an entitled child.
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