Favourite Antagonist From the Games

FestivHunter wrote:

Where is Noble Six?!

Heresy

This one is a tough one for me. But if I have to choose just one villain then it would have to be the gravemind. He was so manipulative that he manipulated the master chief and the arbiter not once but twice. And if we are counting the lore that happened before all the games he was able to destroy the entire galaxy and the forerunners at the height of their power. The only reason why he failed was because the forerunners committed mass suicide and killed everything in the entire galaxy just to stop him. But a close second in terms of my favorite villain would have to be the high prophet of truth. Truth had control over one of the most powerful factions the galaxy has ever seen since the fall of the forerunners. And he almost succeeded in causing humanity to go extinct. The only reason why he failed was because he got overconfident and betrayed the elites. But even then he almost succeeded in firing the halos and killing everyone in the galaxy and would have done so if it weren’t for the chief and the arbiter teaming up to stop him.

Actualdeadcat wrote:

FestivHunter wrote:

Actualdeadcat wrote:

FestivHunter wrote:

Where is Noble Six?!

Heresy

Actually, no. Reach has my favorite campaign (asides Halo 2 of course). And I really like Noble Six.

Except Noble 6 was the protagonist of Halo Reach. By calling him the antagonist you're implying he was the bad guy, which by my standards is heresy.

Lol I got the words mixed lmfao sorry

Thel Vadam4201 wrote:

Truth is my favorite antagonist just because of how good a character he is. I hate him personally but he is an amazing character and for that, he is the best "Bad-Guy."

Actualdeadcat wrote:

FestivHunter wrote:

Actualdeadcat wrote:

Heresy

Actually, no. Reach has my favorite campaign (asides Halo 2 of course). And I really like Noble Six.

Except Noble 6 was the protagonist of Halo Reach. By calling him the antagonist you're implying he was the bad guy, which by my standards is heresy.

and, protagonist and antagonist do NOT mean bad and good guys. the protagonist in a story could be the bad guy. Protagonist means the main character and antagonist means the one who is in conflict with the main character.

P.S. I forgot about the Gravemind who is also and amazing character... they are tied IMO

Usually the one who is in conflict with the main character is the "bad guy" from the main character's PoV. And in this case I was specifically referring to Noble 6 himself as being the Protagonist since the Protagonist is, as you said yourself, "the main character".

Actualdeadcat wrote:

Thel Vadam4201 wrote:

Truth is my favorite antagonist just because of how good a character he is. I hate him personally but he is an amazing character and for that, he is the best "Bad-Guy."

Actualdeadcat wrote:

FestivHunter wrote:

Actualdeadcat wrote:

Heresy

Actually, no. Reach has my favorite campaign (asides Halo 2 of course). And I really like Noble Six.

Except Noble 6 was the protagonist of Halo Reach. By calling him the antagonist you're implying he was the bad guy, which by my standards is heresy.

and, protagonist and antagonist do NOT mean bad and good guys. the protagonist in a story could be the bad guy. Protagonist means the main character and antagonist means the one who is in conflict with the main character.

P.S. I forgot about the Gravemind who is also and amazing character... they are tied IMO

Usually the one who is in conflict with the main character is the "bad guy" from the main character's PoV. And in this case I was specifically referring to Noble 6 himself as being the Protagonist since the Protagonist is, as you said yourself, "the main character".

Not once had I implied that the universal definition of Antagonist was that they can only be the "bad guy", so I'm rather confused as to where you made that assumption. I specifically stated that "Noble 6 was the Protagonist of Halo Reach" as he is the main character in the campaign. The antagonists are the Covenant, not Noble 6, as least with the way the story is set up. So, my original statement still stands.

Actualdeadcat wrote:

Actualdeadcat wrote:

Thel Vadam4201 wrote:

Truth is my favorite antagonist just because of how good a character he is. I hate him personally but he is an amazing character and for that, he is the best "Bad-Guy."

Actualdeadcat wrote:

FestivHunter wrote:

Actualdeadcat wrote:

Heresy

Actually, no. Reach has my favorite campaign (asides Halo 2 of course). And I really like Noble Six.

Except Noble 6 was the protagonist of Halo Reach. By calling him the antagonist you're implying he was the bad guy, which by my standards is heresy.

and, protagonist and antagonist do NOT mean bad and good guys. the protagonist in a story could be the bad guy. Protagonist means the main character and antagonist means the one who is in conflict with the main character.

P.S. I forgot about the Gravemind who is also and amazing character... they are tied IMO

Usually the one who is in conflict with the main character is the "bad guy" from the main character's PoV. And in this case I was specifically referring to Noble 6 himself as being the Protagonist since the Protagonist is, as you said yourself, "the main character".

Not once had I implied that the universal definition of Antagonist was that they can only be the "bad guy", so I'm rather confused as to where you made that assumption. I specifically stated that "Noble 6 was the Protagonist of Halo Reach" as he is the main character in the campaign. The antagonists are the Covenant, not Noble 6, as least with the way the story is set up. So, my original statement still stands.

Additionally, if someone has never played the Halo Reach campaign before then I can understand the minor confusion behind understanding the original statement, but the statement was made in the context of Halo Reach, not the world in general.

Thel Vadam4201 wrote:

Actualdeadcat wrote:

Actualdeadcat wrote:

Thel Vadam4201 wrote:

Truth is my favorite antagonist just because of how good a character he is. I hate him personally but he is an amazing character and for that, he is the best "Bad-Guy."

Actualdeadcat wrote:

FestivHunter wrote:

Actualdeadcat wrote:

Heresy

Actually, no. Reach has my favorite campaign (asides Halo 2 of course). And I really like Noble Six.

Except Noble 6 was the protagonist of Halo Reach. By calling him the antagonist you're implying he was the bad guy, which by my standards is heresy.

and, protagonist and antagonist do NOT mean bad and good guys. the protagonist in a story could be the bad guy. Protagonist means the main character and antagonist means the one who is in conflict with the main character.

P.S. I forgot about the Gravemind who is also and amazing character... they are tied IMO

Usually the one who is in conflict with the main character is the "bad guy" from the main character's PoV. And in this case I was specifically referring to Noble 6 himself as being the Protagonist since the Protagonist is, as you said yourself, "the main character".

Not once had I implied that the universal definition of Antagonist was that they can only be the "bad guy", so I'm rather confused as to where you made that assumption. I specifically stated that "Noble 6 was the Protagonist of Halo Reach" as he is the main character in the campaign. The antagonists are the Covenant, not Noble 6, as least with the way the story is set up. So, my original statement still stands.

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Except Noble 6 was the protagonist of Halo Reach. By calling him the antagonist you're implying he was the bad guy, which by my standards is heresy.

what is this??

There was an inferred "bad guy" or "enemy" in Halo Reach's story design. On top of that the main enemy N6 fights are the group of Antagonists who just happen to be that same inferred enemy, so in the context of Halo Reach Antagonist equals villain/enemy/bad guy while Protagonist equals good guy/main character/character in conflict with the Antagonist.
You'll notice there's a difference between the "implied meaning in the context of Halo Reach" and "Universal meaning".

Thel Vadam4201 wrote:

Actualdeadcat wrote:

Thel Vadam4201 wrote:

Actualdeadcat wrote:

Actualdeadcat wrote:

Thel Vadam4201 wrote:

Truth is my favorite antagonist just because of how good a character he is. I hate him personally but he is an amazing character and for that, he is the best "Bad-Guy."

Actualdeadcat wrote:

FestivHunter wrote:

Actualdeadcat wrote:

Heresy

Actually, no. Reach has my favorite campaign (asides Halo 2 of course). And I really like Noble Six.

Except Noble 6 was the protagonist of Halo Reach. By calling him the antagonist you're implying he was the bad guy, which by my standards is heresy.

and, protagonist and antagonist do NOT mean bad and good guys. the protagonist in a story could be the bad guy. Protagonist means the main character and antagonist means the one who is in conflict with the main character.

P.S. I forgot about the Gravemind who is also and amazing character... they are tied IMO

Usually the one who is in conflict with the main character is the "bad guy" from the main character's PoV. And in this case I was specifically referring to Noble 6 himself as being the Protagonist since the Protagonist is, as you said yourself, "the main character".

Not once had I implied that the universal definition of Antagonist was that they can only be the "bad guy", so I'm rather confused as to where you made that assumption. I specifically stated that "Noble 6 was the Protagonist of Halo Reach" as he is the main character in the campaign. The antagonists are the Covenant, not Noble 6, as least with the way the story is set up. So, my original statement still stands.

Quote:

Except Noble 6 was the protagonist of Halo Reach. By calling him the antagonist you're implying he was the bad guy, which by my standards is heresy.

what is this??

There was an inferred "bad guy" or "enemy" in Halo Reach's story design, so in the context of Halo Reach Antagonist equals villain/enemy/bad guy while Protagonist equals good guy/main character/character in conflict with the Antagonist.
You'll notice there's a difference between the "implied meaning in the context of Halo Reach" and "Universal meaning".

ugh... can I not misunderstand something and tell you why I missunderstood???

Except not once did you actually provide clarification that you officially misunderstood. Instead, you asked questions that are most often interpreted as argumentative inquiries that question the validity of ones statement.

Terran Envoy wrote:

Although he’s not a choice on the poll, I’d pick the Heretic Leader for playing a pivotal role in Halo 2

Well, those holograms of his are really difficult. Once I accidentally killed him, thinking it was his hologram

The H2, H3 Gravemind (had some good lines) had what G Spark had in H1 but much more when it comes to overwhelming odds. If they weren't eerily at a point in time using us as pawns for there own schemes we could have been decimated earlier on.