Why are you so against it?

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I've seen so many posts on here from "casual" people against the game having a competitive side, such as visible ranks and playlist with competitive settings. What I want to know is why? having those things will affect you in no way at all, making playlists for competitive settings doesn't mean you will be forced to play them and having a rank affects you in no way either so what's your reasoning for being against them so much?

Why?

Visable ranks
The racism, sexism, outright disgraceful behavior of the "competitive gamer" was enough to put me off having a visible ranking system. You know my wife and I used to play Halo 3 together until the "competitive gamer" decided to spam harass her and myself through game, via messages.
Forums were full of kids comparing e-peens and flat out insulting anyone who was not a 5 star general. Every game the lobby was full of abuse, even in the damn social playlists.

Games were ruined by the endless stream of multiple accounts. %star generals posing as recruits, recruits posing as five star generals because they bought their account off eBay.

That said i don't have anything against thier being a viable ranking system. There just needs to be an option to hide it if the player chooses.

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I've seen so many posts on here from "casual" people against the game having a competitive side, such as visible ranks and playlist with competitive settings. What I want to know is why? having those things will affect you in no way at all, making playlists for competitive settings doesn't mean you will be forced to play them and having a rank affects you in no way either so what's your reasoning for being against them so much?

Why?

Visable ranks
The racism, sexism, outright disgraceful behavior of the "competitive gamer" was enough to put me off having a visible ranking system. You know my wife and I used to play Halo 3 together until the "competitive gamer" decided to spam harass her and myself through game, via messages.
Forums were full of kids comparing e-peens and flat out insulting anyone who was not a 5 star general. Every game the lobby was full of abuse, even in the damn social playlists.

Games were ruined by the endless stream of multiple accounts. %star generals posing as recruits, recruits posing as five star generals because they bought their account off eBay.

That said i don't have anything against thier being a viable ranking system. There just needs to be an option to hide it if the player chooses.

Please don't toss us all into that pot, most of us will say GG after a game, mainly the only ones that will be like that are the MLG tryhards (being competitive does not mean this) and kids that can't deal with being beaten. Also all games have that side to them and that's why you can mute people in games and also block all communications from their Live profile.

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I've seen so many posts on here from "casual" people against the game having a competitive side, such as visible ranks and playlist with competitive settings. What I want to know is why? having those things will affect you in no way at all, making playlists for competitive settings doesn't mean you will be forced to play them and having a rank affects you in no way either so what's your reasoning for being against them so much?

Why?

Visable ranks
The racism, sexism, outright disgraceful behavior of the "competitive gamer" was enough to put me off having a visible ranking system. You know my wife and I used to play Halo 3 together until the "competitive gamer" decided to spam harass her and myself through game, via messages.
Forums were full of kids comparing e-peens and flat out insulting anyone who was not a 5 star general. Every game the lobby was full of abuse, even in the damn social playlists.

Games were ruined by the endless stream of multiple accounts. %star generals posing as recruits, recruits posing as five star generals because they bought their account off eBay.

That said i don't have anything against thier being a viable ranking system. There just needs to be an option to hide it if the player chooses.

Just because someone is mean and/or better than you at the game doesn't mean they are what we refer to as a "competitive gamer"

we're not all "kids comparing e-peens" ya know...

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I've seen so many posts on here from "casual" people against the game having a competitive side, such as visible ranks and playlist with competitive settings. What I want to know is why? having those things will affect you in no way at all, making playlists for competitive settings doesn't mean you will be forced to play them and having a rank affects you in no way either so what's your reasoning for being against them so much?

Haven't seen any of those posts at all, majority for all i see are "no spec's email", "Code trade for ****", & the usual nonconstructive criticism complaint threads.

Go into any thread that talks about ranks and you'll see them

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I've seen so many posts on here from "casual" people against the game having a competitive side, such as visible ranks and playlist with competitive settings. What I want to know is why? having those things will affect you in no way at all, making playlists for competitive settings doesn't mean you will be forced to play them and having a rank affects you in no way either so what's your reasoning for being against them so much?

Why?

Visable ranks
The racism, sexism, outright disgraceful behavior of the "competitive gamer" was enough to put me off having a visible ranking system. You know my wife and I used to play Halo 3 together until the "competitive gamer" decided to spam harass her and myself through game, via messages.
Forums were full of kids comparing e-peens and flat out insulting anyone who was not a 5 star general. Every game the lobby was full of abuse, even in the damn social playlists.

Games were ruined by the endless stream of multiple accounts. %star generals posing as recruits, recruits posing as five star generals because they bought their account off eBay.

That said i don't have anything against thier being a viable ranking system. There just needs to be an option to hide it if the player chooses.

1) Use the mute all option or party chat

2) Go ask MS for an option to block messages from unknown people

3) You are a full grown adult, why on earth do you care what a bunch of internet gangsters have to say on a videogame?

When people throw racism at me, I multiply the ignorance and slurs a thousand fold in good fun or I mut my team and play really annoyign sounds on my headset till they mute me. When they get homophobic I act so steroetypically homosexual and attracted to them they see rainbows. Its actually a lot of fun lol. Just laugh at it and have fun with it. Grow a thicker skin.

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Social and Ranked playlists are the answer. In social, casuals hardly ever have to worry about facing "Johnny E-peen" and in ranked, competitive players get what they want without anybody getting their feelings hurt about their rank not being that high.

Win win.

Oh God, this community hurts my brain sometimes.

Visual skill indicators is the LIFEBLOOD of ANY game worth its mettle.

Look at the PC. Starcraft 2 and League of Legends are some of the BIGGEST GAMES in the world. Do you really think people are whining about those games because they have VALID and ACCURATE ranking systems? No, no they are not. You'd have to be CRAZY to argue that having a visual indicator towards your ACTUAL skill is a bad thing.

It gives players a reason to keep playing, it indicates your progress and something to work towards. It's not about measuring e-peens, it's about having a system that you personally can work towards and feel accomplished when you do well. It's about getting placed against harder and harder opponents to see how far you can take it. It's about actually trying, because matches matter.

If you are against a visual ranking system, you should re-evaluate your stance. Because it literally means you do not care about the game.

H4 right now: "It's a game where everyone wins and the points don't matter"

That attitude is LITERALLY KILLING THIS GAME.

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Oh God, this community hurts my brain sometimes.

Visual skill indicators is the LIFEBLOOD of ANY game worth its mettle.

Look at the PC. Starcraft 2 and League of Legends are some of the BIGGEST GAMES in the world. Do you really think people are whining about those games because they have VALID and ACCURATE ranking systems? No, no they are not. You'd have to be CRAZY to argue that having a visual indicator towards your ACTUAL skill is a bad thing.

It gives players a reason to keep playing, it indicates your progress and something to work towards. It's not about measuring e-peens, it's about having a system that you personally can work towards and feel accomplished when you do well. It's about getting placed against harder and harder opponents to see how far you can take it. It's about actually trying, because matches matter.

If you are against a visual ranking system, you should re-evaluate your stance. Because it literally means you do not care about the game.

H4 right now: "It's a game where everyone wins and the points don't matter"

That attitude is LITERALLY KILLING THIS GAME.

this is based on you opinion and by what you see as fact. opinions are fine, but trying to pass them off as fact is a little much. also if you need to have a number to validate yourself you need to put video games down and do something else. (validating yourself though a game is ridiculous and childish, validate yourself off RL like your work (or school work if you still in school)

not that Ive problem with visible ranks; aside from johnny try hard being a -Yoink- to everyone in the lobby because he has a 48 -_- and then camping across map in a glitch with sniper and rockets.

but honestly people try to put to much on ranks and not enough on actual game play. as Ive said before, rank means nothing. it can be bought, boosted or hacked.

"If you are against a visual ranking system, you should re-evaluate your stance. Because it literally means you do not care about the game."

^^ no that's not what it mean. it means simply that they dont care about competitiveness, there's a difference between not caring about a game and not caring about competitiveness.

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Oh God, this community hurts my brain sometimes.

Visual skill indicators is the LIFEBLOOD of ANY game worth its mettle.

Look at the PC. Starcraft 2 and League of Legends are some of the BIGGEST GAMES in the world. Do you really think people are whining about those games because they have VALID and ACCURATE ranking systems? No, no they are not. You'd have to be CRAZY to argue that having a visual indicator towards your ACTUAL skill is a bad thing.

It gives players a reason to keep playing, it indicates your progress and something to work towards. It's not about measuring e-peens, it's about having a system that you personally can work towards and feel accomplished when you do well. It's about getting placed against harder and harder opponents to see how far you can take it. It's about actually trying, because matches matter.

If you are against a visual ranking system, you should re-evaluate your stance. Because it literally means you do not care about the game.

H4 right now: "It's a game where everyone wins and the points don't matter"

That attitude is LITERALLY KILLING THIS GAME.

this is based on you opinion and by what you see as fact. opinions are fine, but trying to pass them of as fact is a little much. also if you need to have a number to validate yourself you need to put video games down and do something else. (validating yourself though a game is ridiculous and childish, validate yourself off RL like your work (or school work if you still in school)

not that Ive problem with visible ranks; aside from johnny tryhard being a -Yoink!- to everyone in the lobby because he has a 48 -_- but honestly people try to put to much on ranks and not enough on actual game play. as Ive said before, rank means nothing. it can be bought, boosted or hacked.

If you are against a visual ranking system, you should re-evaluate your stance. Because it literally means you do not care about the game.

^^ no that's not what it mean. it means simply that they dont care about competitiveness, there's a difference.

What he said was largely right, and both Starcraft and LoL have such a large user base because of the games support to the competitive players. And how does wanting a number to validate yourself make you seem ridiculous and childish in a game? Would you say the same to people who play sports competitively? It's the same thing, just on a different medium. Someone who plays a sport wants to be validated that they are better than their opponent, it has no impact on the rest of their life but it is seen as normal and right. So why can't we have the same in games? You're still competing against an opponent and you are still going to want that validation, nothing about it is childish, it's called being human.

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Oh God, this community hurts my brain sometimes.

Visual skill indicators is the LIFEBLOOD of ANY game worth its mettle.

Look at the PC. Starcraft 2 and League of Legends are some of the BIGGEST GAMES in the world. Do you really think people are whining about those games because they have VALID and ACCURATE ranking systems? No, no they are not. You'd have to be CRAZY to argue that having a visual indicator towards your ACTUAL skill is a bad thing.

It gives players a reason to keep playing, it indicates your progress and something to work towards. It's not about measuring e-peens, it's about having a system that you personally can work towards and feel accomplished when you do well. It's about getting placed against harder and harder opponents to see how far you can take it. It's about actually trying, because matches matter.

If you are against a visual ranking system, you should re-evaluate your stance. Because it literally means you do not care about the game.

H4 right now: "It's a game where everyone wins and the points don't matter"

That attitude is LITERALLY KILLING THIS GAME.

this is based on you opinion and by what you see as fact. opinions are fine, but trying to pass them off as fact is a little much. also if you need to have a number to validate yourself you need to put video games down and do something else. (validating yourself though a game is ridiculous and childish, validate yourself off RL like your work (or school work if you still in school)

not that Ive problem with visible ranks; aside from johnny try hard being a -Yoink!- to everyone in the lobby because he has a 48 -_- and then camping across map in a glitch with sniper and rockets.

but honestly people try to put to much on ranks and not enough on actual game play. as Ive said before, rank means nothing. it can be bought, boosted or hacked.

"If you are against a visual ranking system, you should re-evaluate your stance. Because it literally means you do not care about the game."

^^ no that's not what it mean. it means simply that they dont care about competitiveness, there's a difference between not caring about a game and not caring about competitiveness.

Oh I get it, your afraid of littly johnny tryhard talking smack. Please....

First of all, if you can't handle a little smack talk then you probably shouldn't be playing online in the first place. Second, just because a few people will talk trash doesn't mean the entire system is in place as a "Talk trash validator"

It's a REAL progression system. A visual indicator of how your ACTUAL SKILL has progressed.

My point is, if you don't care about this. Then you don't care about the game. I mean, sure you think the game is fun, you'll get on for laughs. But you don't reall care if you win or lose, you don't care about making real progress and becoming a better player you don't care to see how you stack up against the rest of the player base.

Believe it or not...THIS IS WHY ONLINE GAMING WAS CREATED. To PLAY and TRY to beat other players of similar skill. To progress and move forward.

and it's not like your forced into it, you can sit around and play randoms mindlessly all day if you want. But to try and devalue a system that has real worth, and IS ESSENTIAL IN THE LONGEVITY of the game. You should be ashamed.