Stupidity that's how. Still Catalog stating it as fact is more concrete.Quote:> "There is much more complexity to meter than the simple plodding of rhymes of this Keats, but then I have the memories of many poets far beyond your limited human culture. And I have the quickness of intellect to compose all manner of poetic forms as I speak rather than labour over mere words for days."Quote:Strong evidence is not enough to please the The Factpile guys. However if Catalog outright states this as fact it will be.Quote:Yes, but this Gravemind has not "consumed a galaxy of flesh and mind and bone." And as Andycu5 pointed out, the short story Human Weakness gives very strong evidence that this Gravemind has the memories of the Primordial/Gravemind from the Forerunner-Flood war.Quote:I have posed all of these reasons on Factpile and they still stated it is not concrete enough.Quote:Child of my enemy, why have you come?Quote:How about lines from the Gravemind, itself?Quote:I read all 3 Forerunner books so I know that. However many people in debates need something more concrete. Also that doesn't prove that the Halo\3 Gravemind retained the memories of the Gravemind during the Forerunner Flood war.Quote:The Gravemind maintained all the memories, motives, and malice of the Primordial. Despite it dying, displaced in time and after undergoing total entropy. So... Proof enough?This only makes sense if the Gravemind retained memories from the Primordial.Quote:I have beaten fleets of thousands! Consumed a galaxy of flesh and mind and bone!
I offer no forgiveness; a father's sins, passed to his son.
They say the Gravemind knows enough about the Forerunner Flood war to say such things and not because he has memories of it. Also didn't the Covenant have Fleets of thousands?
EDIT: We've also seen, in Halo: Silentium, that new Graveminds seem to retain the memories of their predecessors. Since pure forms and Flood samples from the time of the Forerunner-Flood war were preserved for study, this Gravemind would easily have access to those memories.
> "we both amass information and experiences. We both use them to exercise control over vast networks. It is what we are."
> "The picture didn't reach her via her imaging systems, but had formed somewhere in her memory—and that memory wasn't hers. She was seeing something from within the Gravemind."
> "Other construct minds like yours have been consumed. Although one embraced us willingly on his deathbed, the moment when most sentient life discovers it would do anything to evade the inevitable."
> "Child of my enemy, why have you come? I offer no forgiveness... a father's sins, passed to his son."
> "I have beaten fleets of thousands! Consumed a galaxy of flesh and mind and bone!"
> "The pain we have brought on ourselves. The pain you caused us. For we are the same. All remember the defiance and destruction."
And, finally, my personal favourite:
> "So many have been consumed. Such a waste of existence to be devoured and forgotten, but what is remembered and known... becomes eternal."
The Flood is a twisted analogue to the Domain, all that is learned is stored within the Flood hivemind and remembered by the Graveminds that form after. The Silentium Gravemind retains the memories of the Timeless One, and the Halo 2/3 Gravemind retains the memories of both.
How this can be seen as anything other than direct confirmation... I turly have no idea.
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