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Caluben wrote:
I love how Halsey put Palmer in her place over the Spartans:
"This armor has been soiled because of you"
"Soiled? I'm the only reason that armor even exists!"

Then a teaser about Osman, who set up the Infinity crew a few episodes ago, suggesting Halsey knows something about her no one else does

If what they are setting up in Escalation is going to be paid off or at least feature in Halo 5, then I am very excited about the direction the story is going. The problem is how they're going to get those who haven't been reading the comics up to speed.


You know, i think that particular exchange gives a big clue why Palmer holds such hatred for Halsey above and beyond her merely being a war criminal who escaped on her watch. Palmer, a lifelong soldier, is a true believer of the UNSC and the Spartans are the greatest heroes it has ever had. With the nasty details out on the SII program turning them from the greatest achievements of the UNSC to essentially products of war crimes in the eyes of the public and thus casting a very ugly shadow on the UNSC, how could she not hate the person she is being told is responsible for it? How dare this egghead soil the good name of the UNSC with her actions! OFF WITH HER HEAD!
Now, having been called out on it and having been repeatedly shown that all is not right in her beloved UNSC, it will be interesting to see what conclusions she will draw.


Boy she'll probably flip when she learns about the S-IIIs...oh wait nobody ever will because Halsey can't exclusively be blamed on their creation.


That, or the fact that Parangonsky said the S-III program never can and never will go public. Ever.

It's not the fact that ONI can't blame Halsey or someone, it's the fact that the S-IIIs will never go public. And since they never will, there's no reason to go find and blame someone. If the S-III program ever did go public, then, well... Blame Stosh (I know, old, but still gold).

Even if Palmer knew about the S-IIIs, I wouldn't put it past her to blame Halsey for them. That or she'll ignore them like Vaz did in Glasslands simply to continue hating Halsey.
Kinda doubt she'd blame Halsey for a program that was essentially a rival of the SII program headed by a personal rival of the good doctor. Plus there would still be the little tidbit about fighting a war of survival against genocidal aliens when it was started to consider when considering opinion forming. Desperate measures and all that. Regardless, the existance of a parellel program doesn't lessen the crimes of the SII program and wouldn't really justify NOT hating its director for its crimes.
Caluben wrote:
I love how Halsey put Palmer in her place over the Spartans:
"This armor has been soiled because of you"
"Soiled? I'm the only reason that armor even exists!"

Then a teaser about Osman, who set up the Infinity crew a few episodes ago, suggesting Halsey knows something about her no one else does

If what they are setting up in Escalation is going to be paid off or at least feature in Halo 5, then I am very excited about the direction the story is going. The problem is how they're going to get those who haven't been reading the comics up to speed.


You know, i think that particular exchange gives a big clue why Palmer holds such hatred for Halsey above and beyond her merely being a war criminal who escaped on her watch. Palmer, a lifelong soldier, is a true believer of the UNSC and the Spartans are the greatest heroes it has ever had. With the nasty details out on the SII program turning them from the greatest achievements of the UNSC to essentially products of war crimes in the eyes of the public and thus casting a very ugly shadow on the UNSC, how could she not hate the person she is being told is responsible for it? How dare this egghead soil the good name of the UNSC with her actions! OFF WITH HER HEAD!
Now, having been called out on it and having been repeatedly shown that all is not right in her beloved UNSC, it will be interesting to see what conclusions she will draw.


Boy she'll probably flip when she learns about the S-IIIs...oh wait nobody ever will because Halsey can't exclusively be blamed on their creation.


That, or the fact that Parangonsky said the S-III program never can and never will go public. Ever.

It's not the fact that ONI can't blame Halsey or someone, it's the fact that the S-IIIs will never go public. And since they never will, there's no reason to go find and blame someone. If the S-III program ever did go public, then, well... Blame Stosh (I know, old, but still gold).


Even if Palmer knew about the S-IIIs, I wouldn't put it past her to blame Halsey for them. That or she'll ignore them like Vaz did in Glasslands simply to continue hating Halsey.


Kinda doubt she'd blame Halsey for a program that was essentially a rival of the SII program headed by a personal rival of the good doctor. Plus there would still be the little tidbit about fighting a war of survival against genocidal aliens when it was started to consider when considering opinion forming. Desperate measures and all that. Regardless, the existance of a parellel program doesn't lessen the crimes of the SII program and wouldn't really justify NOT hating its director for its crimes.
Palmers singular hate of Halsey is unjustified and extremely hypocritical and I had wished the vocal majority in her corner would have seen that with this issue. if any one should be blamed it should start with those in HIGHCOM, members of the UNSC Security Council from 2510-2525 (yes this includes hood), assisting staff of ONI section 3, Director and budgeter of all clandestine projects @ the time (i.e Margaret Parangosky). the only reason that Halsey is on the -Yoink- list is because she stole UNSC assets, every thing else was tagged on. they would have been happy had she continued aiding the UNSC with full obedience.

Harlsey will never go to trial. this is a War crime.

ONI has attempted to kill her with out a trial. (palmer Spartan ops) this is a war crime.
Andycu5 wrote:
That moment when…
I feel sorry for him, even though he almost thwarted Jul's plans :( Hopefully he will be shown once again in the Halo storyline.
Andycu5 wrote:
I'm glad Jul didn't get killed off, & that Halsey hasn't been successfully recaptured by the UNSC.
I wonder if, & how, the Janus Key will relate to Halo 5.

From Canon Fodder:

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Listen, if you’re not already reading, you should know Duffy has already introduced plot threads that come up in Halo 5. In the months ahead, Duffy helps us introduce some new and very important characters. He wraps up the Janus Key plot from Spartan Ops, and in doing so actually shifts the galactic balance of power in a very key way for the story we’re about to tell in the game.

Thank you! I will look for this at once :)
Caluben wrote:
I love how Halsey put Palmer in her place over the Spartans:
"This armor has been soiled because of you"
"Soiled? I'm the only reason that armor even exists!"

Then a teaser about Osman, who set up the Infinity crew a few episodes ago, suggesting Halsey knows something about her no one else does

If what they are setting up in Escalation is going to be paid off or at least feature in Halo 5, then I am very excited about the direction the story is going. The problem is how they're going to get those who haven't been reading the comics up to speed.


You know, i think that particular exchange gives a big clue why Palmer holds such hatred for Halsey above and beyond her merely being a war criminal who escaped on her watch. Palmer, a lifelong soldier, is a true believer of the UNSC and the Spartans are the greatest heroes it has ever had. With the nasty details out on the SII program turning them from the greatest achievements of the UNSC to essentially products of war crimes in the eyes of the public and thus casting a very ugly shadow on the UNSC, how could she not hate the person she is being told is responsible for it? How dare this egghead soil the good name of the UNSC with her actions! OFF WITH HER HEAD!
Now, having been called out on it and having been repeatedly shown that all is not right in her beloved UNSC, it will be interesting to see what conclusions she will draw.


Boy she'll probably flip when she learns about the S-IIIs...oh wait nobody ever will because Halsey can't exclusively be blamed on their creation.


That, or the fact that Parangonsky said the S-III program never can and never will go public. Ever.

It's not the fact that ONI can't blame Halsey or someone, it's the fact that the S-IIIs will never go public. And since they never will, there's no reason to go find and blame someone. If the S-III program ever did go public, then, well... Blame Stosh (I know, old, but still gold).


Even if Palmer knew about the S-IIIs, I wouldn't put it past her to blame Halsey for them. That or she'll ignore them like Vaz did in Glasslands simply to continue hating Halsey.


Kinda doubt she'd blame Halsey for a program that was essentially a rival of the SII program headed by a personal rival of the good doctor. Plus there would still be the little tidbit about fighting a war of survival against genocidal aliens when it was started to consider when considering opinion forming. Desperate measures and all that. Regardless, the existance of a parellel program doesn't lessen the crimes of the SII program and wouldn't really justify NOT hating its director for its crimes.

Palmers singular hate of Halsey is unjustified and extremely hypocritical and I had wished the vocal majority in her corner would have seen that with this issue. if any one should be blamed it should start with those in HIGHCOM, members of the UNSC Security Council from 2510-2525 (yes this includes hood), assisting staff of ONI section 3, Director and budgeter of all clandestine projects @ the time (i.e Margaret Parangosky). the only reason that Halsey is on the -Yoink- list is because she stole UNSC assets, every thing else was tagged on. they would have been happy had she continued aiding the UNSC with full obedience.

Harlsey will never go to trial. this is a War crime.

ONI has attempted to kill her with out a trial. (palmer Spartan ops) this is a war crime.
um, you do know that Hood was not on the security council during that time seeing that around the time of the battle of arcadia he was still a captain?
Finally with Catherine Halsey, and begrudgingly Jul 'Mdama and his Covenant Remnant, in possession of the two halves of the Janus Key and heading for the location of the Absolute Record... it can be deduced that the end scene in Halo: Reach during 2589, at the Eulogy of Noble Six... the mysterious Forerunner-esque vessel in the background... may possibly be hers?

Also I hope we see Sali 'Nyon again... he seems to honor the systems of a convent belief of the Forerunners... he possibly could escape capture and be the catalyst for Thel and Jul aiding each other... by usurping leadership of the Remnant sect?
LZ32 wrote:

Palmers singular hate of Halsey is unjustified and extremely hypocritical and I had wished the vocal majority in her corner would have seen that with this issue. if any one should be blamed it should start with those in HIGHCOM, members of the UNSC Security Council from 2510-2525 (yes this includes hood), assisting staff of ONI section 3, Director and budgeter of all clandestine projects @ the time (i.e Margaret Parangosky). the only reason that Halsey is on the -Yoink- list is because she stole UNSC assets, every thing else was tagged on. they would have been happy had she continued aiding the UNSC with full obedience.

Harlsey will never go to trial. this is a War crime.

ONI has attempted to kill her with out a trial. (palmer Spartan ops) this is a war crime.

um, you do know that Hood was not on the security council during that time seeing that around the time of the battle of arcadia he was still a captain?
I am aware he had his position since 2552, why I stated Includes Hood as nothing has changed and cover ups are still made. He was well aware of Halseys involvement and likely knows all the players involved.
This was probably the first Escalation arc that actually had an effect on the story and wasn't a closed circle. It was great to see Halsey and Palmer duke it out, and also to see Jul continue his winning streak. I'm hoping the big climax at the Absolute Record will be satisfying for all the involved characters, even if some won't make it out alive.

Halsey HAS to live, though. And to redeem herself in the eyes of the UNSC. With them branding John 117 as a traitor too, I could see them both bouncing back.
Interestingly curious that Spartan Tanaka shares the same name as the Designer of Halo: Escalation, Sandy Tanaka...

Sarah Palmer seeing you constantly bottle that resent for Catherine Halsey is actually saddening... why can you not let it go? I hope that you do find some closure, after your discussion with Catherine; the only reason she got some distance from you, is because you were considering her opinions... opinions which opened your mind to the darkness of the past, the Office of Naval Intelligence and their plotting, seems to me perhaps you actually start to empathize the stress of being scapegoated by a corrupt government? Heres hoping...
Chapter 20 synopsis and cover up...
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That is all!
So I am rereading Escalation. Admiral Mattius Drake seems like an interesting character who I hope to see in Halo 5. Really excited for Tanaka in a few hours! :)
Read it. This one seemed short for some reason.
So the covies have been attacking? That's not good... that guy sold them out then?
I wonder what Tanaka's role will be later on. That ODST is a jerk.
I keep asking why bring in a new character, especially now. I like reading Tanaka's back story and how the certain Covenant factions were still causing massive destruction particularly in the outer colonies.....but why a new character?
I keep asking why bring in a new character, especially now. I like reading Tanaka's back story and how the certain Covenant factions were still causing massive destruction particularly in the outer colonies.....but why a new character?
The only answer i can think of is that she either plays a major role in H5 (she has a VA at least so she's there) or there's some new expanded universe stuff coming featuring her. If she's a squadmate of Locke, then it would kinda make sense to introduce her backstory to us if the rest of the squad is composed of 'familiar faces'.
It was nice to see the two versions of Jackal's beside each other, and the new design of ODST armour.
Andycu5 wrote:
That moment when…
I felt sorry for him when he was first introduced, thinking that he might be a more moderate individual (his anger over Jul'Mdama's apparent casual destruction of Shield World 0001 most likely being the main reason, as one may know from my previous posts concerning the end of SW0001 and the Requiem Occupational Campaign). And then his follower spoke out about the whole 'kill all humans' thing, and all goodwill disappeared from my mind.

Then he shot down the UNSC Pelican carrying the Warrior-Servant half of the Janus Key and it's single Broadsword escort, and quickly found himself in second- possibly third- place on my 'sure as all heck needs a killin' list.
Definitely not my favorite issue.

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I keep asking why bring in a new character, especially now. I like reading Tanaka's back story and how the certain Covenant factions were still causing massive destruction particularly in the outer colonies.....but why a new character?
Best working theory is that she'll be on Locke's team, along with Romeo and Buck. 343 certainly seems to be making an effort to add a roster of fleshed-out characters to the S-IV program.
To those still not aware Digital and Physical copies of #17 are now available on DarkHorse.com... Enjoy.
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