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The difference here is that there are more Sangheilli and Jiralhanae than there were Jedi, and there are orders of magnitude more Unggoy than there are Clones and Storm Trooper. Star Wars' forces can't overwhelm Halo's with volume of fire, because it's Star Wars' forces that are severely outnumbered and outgunned.SilentRebel38 wrote:They fell because they were overwhelmed, attacked against their blind spots. There's a scene, right before Anakin murders the Younglings, where a Jedi deflected a blaster from the front, but was immediately shot by 2 or 3 Clones that were behind him. No matter how many they defeated, it was an eventuality. It'd be no different with any other race.Thel Vadam4201 wrote:jedi don't have shields or use guns and that is partly the reason why they were destroyed by clones and droids.SilentRebel38 wrote:Where does it say they have Titanium armor? Halopedia, at least, doesn't describe it as such.FinishingFUEGO wrote:SilentRebel38 wrote:Marines are just as vulnerable. One well placed shot and they're out of the fight or killed. Grunts are cowardly creatures, and still vulnerable to such fire. With Kig-Yar, they're frail beings and their shields would only sustain so much damage before failing, as every single weapon in the SW is plasma-based. The same goes for the personal shielding of the Sangheili, although their resilience would make up for it. The same goes for the Jiralhanae and Mgalekgolo.FinishingFUEGO wrote:SilentRebel38 wrote:They would be formidable, but Clone Troopers aren't a laughing manner either. They're essentially the best of the best cloned. While they don't live up to Jango's reputation (less experience, different training), they would not go down easy.gacc115 wrote:BigBadBull05 wrote:The halo universe would win, Something less than half the size of the Death Star can destroy a planet, and something the size of the Death Star regarding it is hallow can destroy the galaxy and some hundred thousand at most people destroyed the entire empire, so the dominant force of the Star Wars universe would not be that much in strategy, if we take all factions into this, let’s say republic era where they took 1,000 years to develop and grow, vs the halo universe during the events of halo 2, the Jedi would have to use force abilities only or just be a commander in the back lines, because bullets go faster than normal blaster bolts. , they would not be able to block them, and consider order 66. But normal troops vs normal troops, it’d be a close fight, but the UNSC would win, if you bring in the covenant then the Jedi would be able to deflect he bullets, but paired with the UNSC, they’d not take that risk.
Jango isn't called the best for nothing. He's feared because of his skills. Now apply that to over 800.000 troops (escalation from Attack of the Clones. Unsure about their numbers by Revenge of the Sith).
Being cowardly and strong don't mean the same thing. I acknowledged the Unggoy's exoskeleton and strength, but a vast majority of them are still cowards.
Even if they can, they're still frail. Their bones are hollow. It really wouldn't take much to fracture them, and a competent Clone or even Rebel could overpower one, given proper training to counter them.
Sangheili and Jiralhanae are resilient and agile, yes, I don't put that into question, but any kind of troop falls to concentrated fire. The Jedi, even with their faster reflexes and ability to predict, still fell to concentrated firepower from many Clone troopers pretty much everywhere.
They may not be as good as him, but being clones mean their inherit his natural abilities, such as quick learning, better precision, etc (examples). They may be just Humans, but Clones aren't often put above Imperial Stormtroopers for nothing (Stormtroopers who are pretty much the same as UNSC Marines in a way). Then you have special troopers, like the ARCs, which receive special training and are far more skilled than the average Clone Trooper.
Oh, and trust me, Clones would have a better shot.
Look, I believe the Halo universe would win, but I can tell you're downplaying the SW verse and buffing Halo.
Sure the Covenant would have casualties, but nothing like the number they inflict on Star Wars' forces.
And I'm not putting that into question. Just merely that no one can survive when being shot from all directions. You can't cover all blind spots at all times, regardless of who or what you are. The best you can do is resist... like Noble Six did.JNDreher wrote:The difference here is that there are more Sangheilli and Jiralhanae than there were Jedi, and there are orders of magnitude more Unggoy than there are Clones and Storm Trooper. Star Wars' forces can't overwhelm Halo's with volume of fire, because it's Star Wars' forces that are severely outnumbered and outgunned.SilentRebel38 wrote:They fell because they were overwhelmed, attacked against their blind spots. There's a scene, right before Anakin murders the Younglings, where a Jedi deflected a blaster from the front, but was immediately shot by 2 or 3 Clones that were behind him. No matter how many they defeated, it was an eventuality. It'd be no different with any other race.Thel Vadam4201 wrote:SilentRebel38 wrote:Where does it say they have Titanium armor? Halopedia, at least, doesn't describe it as such.FinishingFUEGO wrote:SilentRebel38 wrote:Marines are just as vulnerable. One well placed shot and they're out of the fight or killed. Grunts are cowardly creatures, and still vulnerable to such fire. With Kig-Yar, they're frail beings and their shields would only sustain so much damage before failing, as every single weapon in the SW is plasma-based. The same goes for the personal shielding of the Sangheili, although their resilience would make up for it. The same goes for the Jiralhanae and Mgalekgolo.FinishingFUEGO wrote:SilentRebel38 wrote:They would be formidable, but Clone Troopers aren't a laughing manner either. They're essentially the best of the best cloned. While they don't live up to Jango's reputation (less experience, different training), they would not go down easy.gacc115 wrote:BigBadBull05 wrote:The halo universe would win, Something less than half the size of the Death Star can destroy a planet, and something the size of the Death Star regarding it is hallow can destroy the galaxy and some hundred thousand at most people destroyed the entire empire, so the dominant force of the Star Wars universe would not be that much in strategy, if we take all factions into this, let’s say republic era where they took 1,000 years to develop and grow, vs the halo universe during the events of halo 2, the Jedi would have to use force abilities only or just be a commander in the back lines, because bullets go faster than normal blaster bolts. , they would not be able to block them, and consider order 66. But normal troops vs normal troops, it’d be a close fight, but the UNSC would win, if you bring in the covenant then the Jedi would be able to deflect he bullets, but paired with the UNSC, they’d not take that risk.
Jango isn't called the best for nothing. He's feared because of his skills. Now apply that to over 800.000 troops (escalation from Attack of the Clones. Unsure about their numbers by Revenge of the Sith).
Being cowardly and strong don't mean the same thing. I acknowledged the Unggoy's exoskeleton and strength, but a vast majority of them are still cowards.
Even if they can, they're still frail. Their bones are hollow. It really wouldn't take much to fracture them, and a competent Clone or even Rebel could overpower one, given proper training to counter them.
Sangheili and Jiralhanae are resilient and agile, yes, I don't put that into question, but any kind of troop falls to concentrated fire. The Jedi, even with their faster reflexes and ability to predict, still fell to concentrated firepower from many Clone troopers pretty much everywhere.
They may not be as good as him, but being clones mean their inherit his natural abilities, such as quick learning, better precision, etc (examples). They may be just Humans, but Clones aren't often put above Imperial Stormtroopers for nothing (Stormtroopers who are pretty much the same as UNSC Marines in a way). Then you have special troopers, like the ARCs, which receive special training and are far more skilled than the average Clone Trooper.
Oh, and trust me, Clones would have a better shot.
Look, I believe the Halo universe would win, but I can tell you're downplaying the SW verse and buffing Halo.
Sure the Covenant would have casualties, but nothing like the number they inflict on Star Wars' forces.
Yes, we agree that overwhelming force will drop anybody. But in the scenario presented, Star Wars' forces will rarely if ever be in the position to have overwhelming force over Halo's forces, and if they do, it's an almost certainty that the resource commitment required to do this leaves numerous other locations undefended against the attacks of Halo's forces.SilentRebel38 wrote:And I'm not putting that into question. Just merely that no one can survive when being shot from all directions. You can't cover all blind spots at all times, regardless of who or what you are. The best you can do is resist... like Noble Six did.JNDreher wrote:The difference here is that there are more Sangheilli and Jiralhanae than there were Jedi, and there are orders of magnitude more Unggoy than there are Clones and Storm Trooper. Star Wars' forces can't overwhelm Halo's with volume of fire, because it's Star Wars' forces that are severely outnumbered and outgunned.SilentRebel38 wrote:They fell because they were overwhelmed, attacked against their blind spots. There's a scene, right before Anakin murders the Younglings, where a Jedi deflected a blaster from the front, but was immediately shot by 2 or 3 Clones that were behind him. No matter how many they defeated, it was an eventuality. It'd be no different with any other race.Thel Vadam4201 wrote:SilentRebel38 wrote:Where does it say they have Titanium armor? Halopedia, at least, doesn't describe it as such.FinishingFUEGO wrote:SilentRebel38 wrote:Marines are just as vulnerable. One well placed shot and they're out of the fight or killed. Grunts are cowardly creatures, and still vulnerable to such fire. With Kig-Yar, they're frail beings and their shields would only sustain so much damage before failing, as every single weapon in the SW is plasma-based. The same goes for the personal shielding of the Sangheili, although their resilience would make up for it. The same goes for the Jiralhanae and Mgalekgolo.FinishingFUEGO wrote:SilentRebel38 wrote:They would be formidable, but Clone Troopers aren't a laughing manner either. They're essentially the best of the best cloned. While they don't live up to Jango's reputation (less experience, different training), they would not go down easy.gacc115 wrote:BigBadBull05 wrote:The halo universe would win, Something less than half the size of the Death Star can destroy a planet, and something the size of the Death Star regarding it is hallow can destroy the galaxy and some hundred thousand at most people destroyed the entire empire, so the dominant force of the Star Wars universe would not be that much in strategy, if we take all factions into this, let’s say republic era where they took 1,000 years to develop and grow, vs the halo universe during the events of halo 2, the Jedi would have to use force abilities only or just be a commander in the back lines, because bullets go faster than normal blaster bolts. , they would not be able to block them, and consider order 66. But normal troops vs normal troops, it’d be a close fight, but the UNSC would win, if you bring in the covenant then the Jedi would be able to deflect he bullets, but paired with the UNSC, they’d not take that risk.
Jango isn't called the best for nothing. He's feared because of his skills. Now apply that to over 800.000 troops (escalation from Attack of the Clones. Unsure about their numbers by Revenge of the Sith).
Being cowardly and strong don't mean the same thing. I acknowledged the Unggoy's exoskeleton and strength, but a vast majority of them are still cowards.
Even if they can, they're still frail. Their bones are hollow. It really wouldn't take much to fracture them, and a competent Clone or even Rebel could overpower one, given proper training to counter them.
Sangheili and Jiralhanae are resilient and agile, yes, I don't put that into question, but any kind of troop falls to concentrated fire. The Jedi, even with their faster reflexes and ability to predict, still fell to concentrated firepower from many Clone troopers pretty much everywhere.
They may not be as good as him, but being clones mean their inherit his natural abilities, such as quick learning, better precision, etc (examples). They may be just Humans, but Clones aren't often put above Imperial Stormtroopers for nothing (Stormtroopers who are pretty much the same as UNSC Marines in a way). Then you have special troopers, like the ARCs, which receive special training and are far more skilled than the average Clone Trooper.
Oh, and trust me, Clones would have a better shot.
Look, I believe the Halo universe would win, but I can tell you're downplaying the SW verse and buffing Halo.
Sure the Covenant would have casualties, but nothing like the number they inflict on Star Wars' forces.
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Halo, Cause of Flood and Forerunners… even tho Star was has the empire and the.... 1st Order, Flood would overrun them in seconds.
Halo, because the last Star Wars movie killed the franchise for me.
One word "Deathstar". The star wars universe has 2 ( 3 if you count the extended universe) and they also have Starkiller base and a full fleet of imperial Star Destroyers in Exogol with planet killing lasers.
Halo cruises just can't "repel firepower of that magnitude"!
Halo cruises just can't "repel firepower of that magnitude"!
Are you sure? One CCS's glassing beam from the back would toast them, nevermind the fact that pretty much all those planetkillers you described were all destroyed by a mere fighter platoon.Siul Namor wrote:One word "Deathstar". The star wars universe has 2 ( 3 if you count the extended universe) and they also have Starkiller base and a full fleet of imperial Star Destroyers in Exogol with planet killing lasers.
Halo cruises just can't "repel firepower of that magnitude"!
Furthermore, the Halos, even if they don't destroy a planet, are still far deadlier. We're comparing a moon-sized station (or smaller) capable of destroying a planet (or a system) to a weapon that outright exterminates all living organisms within 25.000 lightyears.
Seconded.SilentRebel38 wrote:Are you sure? One CCS's glassing beam from the back would toast them, nevermind the fact that pretty much all those planetkillers you described were all destroyed by a mere fighter platoon.Siul Namor wrote:One word "Deathstar". The star wars universe has 2 ( 3 if you count the extended universe) and they also have Starkiller base and a full fleet of imperial Star Destroyers in Exogol with planet killing lasers.
Halo cruises just can't "repel firepower of that magnitude"!
Furthermore, the Halos, even if they don't destroy a planet, are still far deadlier. We're comparing a moon-sized station (or smaller) capable of destroying a planet (or a system) to a weapon that outright exterminates all living organisms within 25.000 lightyears.
Halos wipe out life in 25,000 lightyears, and Guardians shut down all enemy tech up to the area of a stellar system with their primary weapons.
There's also the fact that Halo's AI are far more advanced than Star Wars', so Halo's infiltration AI would wreak havoc in Star Wars' systems.
This should end the whole empire vs covenant debate since people think the covenant is 1000 times smaller than the empire which in in fact is probably the same size.
DOMINION
Although the Covenant’s primary homeworld, the Holy City of High Charity, was enormous, fully mobile, and even capable of slipspace travel, the alliance utilized many sites as anchors of military, political, and utilitarian dominion. At the base, this included the worlds and colonies of each species it had subsumed, but it would also grow to include new worlds and even Forerunner installations. The Covenant, as an empire, dominated much of the galaxy, though they would generally leave a world untouched unless it offered particular treasures, whether practical or religious.
this is literally here on halo waypoint universe section covenant stomp the empire.
DOMINION
Although the Covenant’s primary homeworld, the Holy City of High Charity, was enormous, fully mobile, and even capable of slipspace travel, the alliance utilized many sites as anchors of military, political, and utilitarian dominion. At the base, this included the worlds and colonies of each species it had subsumed, but it would also grow to include new worlds and even Forerunner installations. The Covenant, as an empire, dominated much of the galaxy, though they would generally leave a world untouched unless it offered particular treasures, whether practical or religious.
this is literally here on halo waypoint universe section covenant stomp the empire.
The Death Star wins. Just shoot High Charity and it over....for.. the.. covenant..
Unless a squadron of skilled fighters with just the right amount of luck single-handedly took it out. Surely, if a small squadron of rebels with outdated technology can do it, then a technologically advanced alien Empire with repurposed ancient technology, can as well.FestivHunter wrote:The Death Star wins. Just shoot High Charity and it over....for.. the.. covenant..
The Death Star is only impressive in it's firepower and ability to lead large campaigns. But it's defenses are a joke. Yes, it may have hundreds of anti-fighter turbo lasers, and can field hundreds of fighters itself, but, again, if a small rebel squad can take it out, then it's a cakewalk for the Covenant. Especially because they won't even need to send in fighters, they just need to send a cruiser to melt it's weapon and maybe compromise the station severely, if not, completely.
Halo just send in jerome they all go bye bye. Although the covenant all they have to do is get above the ships or position there ships to where the glassing beam is aiming at the ships then you can say bye bye to said ship. I am also pretty sure that the shields in star wars couldnt hold up against a glassing beam. Also any major military installations on the ground glass it whole planet resists glass it.
But halo ships can tell what direction 'up' is.Siul Namor wrote:One word "Deathstar". The star wars universe has 2 ( 3 if you count the extended universe) and they also have Starkiller base and a full fleet of imperial Star Destroyers in Exogol with planet killing lasers.Halo cruises just can't "repel firepower of that magnitude"!
You're right. No ship could handle a glassing beam. However, the Star Wars is not a cakewalk for Halo. Sure, they can win, but not without a hard fight. Death Star, though, is still a joke.SunnyThrower464 wrote:Halo just send in jerome they all go bye bye. Although the covenant all they have to do is get above the ships or position there ships to where the glassing beam is aiming at the ships then you can say bye bye to said ship. I am also pretty sure that the shields in star wars couldnt hold up against a glassing beam. Also any major military installations on the ground glass it whole planet resists glass it.
Dja it would be tough but halo would still come out on top especially if assisted by the banished.SilentRebel38 wrote:You're right. No ship could handle a glassing beam. However, the Star Wars is not a cakewalk for Halo. Sure, they can win, but not without a hard fight. Death Star, though, is still a joke.SunnyThrower464 wrote:Halo just send in jerome they all go bye bye. Although the covenant all they have to do is get above the ships or position there ships to where the glassing beam is aiming at the ships then you can say bye bye to said ship. I am also pretty sure that the shields in star wars couldnt hold up against a glassing beam. Also any major military installations on the ground glass it whole planet resists glass it.
The Banished aren't a major factor. They're just another faction. They have superior tactics, but we know next to nothing about their naval prowess, and I highly doubt it's anything significant to consider a real threat. The Covenant, however, have superior gear and equipment, thousands of ships and a mobile capital to support all that. The Banished would have to fight differently, kinda like the UNSC, to reduce their own casualties.SunnyThrower464 wrote:Dja it would be tough but halo would still come out on top especially if assisted by the banished.SilentRebel38 wrote:You're right. No ship could handle a glassing beam. However, the Star Wars is not a cakewalk for Halo. Sure, they can win, but not without a hard fight. Death Star, though, is still a joke.SunnyThrower464 wrote:Halo just send in jerome they all go bye bye. Although the covenant all they have to do is get above the ships or position there ships to where the glassing beam is aiming at the ships then you can say bye bye to said ship. I am also pretty sure that the shields in star wars couldnt hold up against a glassing beam. Also any major military installations on the ground glass it whole planet resists glass it.
From halo wars 2 we know the banished have immense ground power, and based off of the infinite trailer and demo I think we can safely assume they have a very great navy.SilentRebel38 wrote:The Banished aren't a major factor. They're just another faction. They have superior tactics, but we know next to nothing about their naval prowess, and I highly doubt it's anything significant to consider a real threat. The Covenant, however, have superior gear and equipment, thousands of ships and a mobile capital to support all that. The Banished would have to fight differently, kinda like the UNSC, to reduce their own casualties.SunnyThrower464 wrote:Dja it would be tough but halo would still come out on top especially if assisted by the banished.SilentRebel38 wrote:You're right. No ship could handle a glassing beam. However, the Star Wars is not a cakewalk for Halo. Sure, they can win, but not without a hard fight. Death Star, though, is still a joke.SunnyThrower464 wrote:Halo just send in jerome they all go bye bye. Although the covenant all they have to do is get above the ships or position there ships to where the glassing beam is aiming at the ships then you can say bye bye to said ship. I am also pretty sure that the shields in star wars couldnt hold up against a glassing beam. Also any major military installations on the ground glass it whole planet resists glass it.
The occupational force we saw in Infinite is no different to anything we saw in Halo Wars 2, probably even less. I'll repeat: we know next to nothing about their naval prowess. If we start assuming things, then we have a long, long tree to explore. Or 2...SunnyThrower464 wrote:From halo wars 2 we know the banished have immense ground power, and based off of the infinite trailer and demo I think we can safely assume they have a very great navy.SilentRebel38 wrote:The Banished aren't a major factor. They're just another faction. They have superior tactics, but we know next to nothing about their naval prowess, and I highly doubt it's anything significant to consider a real threat. The Covenant, however, have superior gear and equipment, thousands of ships and a mobile capital to support all that. The Banished would have to fight differently, kinda like the UNSC, to reduce their own casualties.SunnyThrower464 wrote:Dja it would be tough but halo would still come out on top especially if assisted by the banished.SilentRebel38 wrote:You're right. No ship could handle a glassing beam. However, the Star Wars is not a cakewalk for Halo. Sure, they can win, but not without a hard fight. Death Star, though, is still a joke.SunnyThrower464 wrote:Halo just send in jerome they all go bye bye. Although the covenant all they have to do is get above the ships or position there ships to where the glassing beam is aiming at the ships then you can say bye bye to said ship. I am also pretty sure that the shields in star wars couldnt hold up against a glassing beam. Also any major military installations on the ground glass it whole planet resists glass it.
But let's also take into account something I forgot to mention: the era. The Banished only appeared post Human-Covenant War. Since this thread mainly compares the UNSC and Covenant to the Galactic Empire and Rebel Alliance, it'd be unfair to take the Banished from the Post-War era without giving SW the First Order or Resistance*. Or the Yuuzhan Vong, if you want to use Legends but... well, Legends curbstomps Halo so...
Even if the First Order was shown to have incompetent leaders humiliating themselves with awful tactics (thanks Rian Johnson), they still have the best technology. They're literally Empire 2.0.
*(or just the First Order since the Resistance and the Rebel Alliance are virtually the same. smh Disney)
I did not think of it like that. Personally I have no idea what the yuuzhan vong is because I dont know the star wars universe that well. I feel like we are focusing too much on naval forces while naval forces do play a huge role but ground forces also play a huge role. When it comes to the ground I would say it depends on era if it was republic halo would get beat. But if it was halo against the empire then they would beat the empire easily. While I may not know as much about star wars but I do know this that the empires ground forces were terrible except for there special forces which honestly are probably better than halos special forces. A lot of this argument does depend on era of both universes.SilentRebel38 wrote:The occupational force we saw in Infinite is no different to anything we saw in Halo Wars 2, probably even less. I'll repeat: we know next to nothing about their naval prowess. If we start assuming things, then we have a long, long tree to explore. Or 2...SunnyThrower464 wrote:From halo wars 2 we know the banished have immense ground power, and based off of the infinite trailer and demo I think we can safely assume they have a very great navy.SilentRebel38 wrote:The Banished aren't a major factor. They're just another faction. They have superior tactics, but we know next to nothing about their naval prowess, and I highly doubt it's anything significant to consider a real threat. The Covenant, however, have superior gear and equipment, thousands of ships and a mobile capital to support all that. The Banished would have to fight differently, kinda like the UNSC, to reduce their own casualties.SunnyThrower464 wrote:Dja it would be tough but halo would still come out on top especially if assisted by the banished.SilentRebel38 wrote:You're right. No ship could handle a glassing beam. However, the Star Wars is not a cakewalk for Halo. Sure, they can win, but not without a hard fight. Death Star, though, is still a joke.SunnyThrower464 wrote:Halo just send in jerome they all go bye bye. Although the covenant all they have to do is get above the ships or position there ships to where the glassing beam is aiming at the ships then you can say bye bye to said ship. I am also pretty sure that the shields in star wars couldnt hold up against a glassing beam. Also any major military installations on the ground glass it whole planet resists glass it.
But let's also take into account something I forgot to mention: the era. The Banished only appeared post Human-Covenant War. Since this thread mainly compares the UNSC and Covenant to the Galactic Empire and Rebel Alliance, it'd be unfair to take the Banished from the Post-War era without giving SW the First Order or Resistance*. Or the Yuuzhan Vong, if you want to use Legends but... well, Legends curbstomps Halo so...
Even if the First Order was shown to have incompetent leaders humiliating themselves with awful tactics (thanks Rian Johnson), they still have the best technology. They're literally Empire 2.0.
*(or just the First Order since the Resistance and the Rebel Alliance are virtually the same. smh Disney)