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I did not think of it like that. Personally I have no idea what the yuuzhan vong is because I dont know the star wars universe that well. I feel like we are focusing too much on naval forces while naval forces do play a huge role but ground forces also play a huge role. When it comes to the ground I would say it depends on era if it was republic halo would get beat. But if it was halo against the empire then they would beat the empire easily. While I may not know as much about star wars but I do know this that the empires ground forces were terrible except for there special forces which honestly are probably better than halos special forces. A lot of this argument does depend on era of both universes.
The Yuuzhan Vong are species which come from another Galaxy, therefore being completely immune to the Force (they can't be affected by it in any way, shape or form). They also hate technology and go berserk whenever they see it. For this reason, every equipment and ship they have is organic. Pretty bizarre.

Actually, the Empire's ground forces aren't, at all, bad. In fact, while the movies portray them otherwise, Imperial Stormtroopers (which rank at about 3 trillion, last I checked. Could be Legends numbers though) are pretty competent on their own. It's just that the Empire employs itself with designs meant to incite fear, which gives their equipment (like the Imperial ISD, the main class of starships) many flaws. ISDs' shield generators (the 2 large metallic balls at the top of the ship) are very exposed. And, as shown in Return of the Jedi, a doomed starfighter crashing into the bridge was enough to bring down the Executor-class Super Star Destroyer (19 Km), the ship which crashes to the Death Star II's surface.
Fear, power, strength and numbers, at the cost of defense, survivability, flexibility and practical use.

On the other hand, the Galactic Republic has strength, defense, survivability and flexibility. Every Clone Trooper is a clone of the deadliest bounty hunter (Jango Fett), which makes them natural soldiers. However, they have slightly inferior technology and, compared to the Empire, inferior numbers. Given how crazy fast Unggoy (Grunts) breed and mature, the Covenant could potentially outnumber and outproduce the Galactic Republic and even the CoIS, which is made up exclusively of various Droid models.
Additionally, a large part of ship-to-ship combat in SW is starfighters, with the Rebel Alliance relying almost exclusively on them for their success. While in Halo, piloting a Starfighters gives you reduced chances of survival, since both UNSC and Covenant ships have excellent Point-Defense Weaponry systems (anti-fighter technology), meaning any starship pilot, even someone like Anakin (best pilot in the Republic) would have a very high chance of death.
I did not think of it like that. Personally I have no idea what the yuuzhan vong is because I dont know the star wars universe that well. I feel like we are focusing too much on naval forces while naval forces do play a huge role but ground forces also play a huge role. When it comes to the ground I would say it depends on era if it was republic halo would get beat. But if it was halo against the empire then they would beat the empire easily. While I may not know as much about star wars but I do know this that the empires ground forces were terrible except for there special forces which honestly are probably better than halos special forces. A lot of this argument does depend on era of both universes.
The Yuuzhan Vong are species which come from another Galaxy, therefore being completely immune to the Force (they can't be affected by it in any way, shape or form). They also hate technology and go berserk whenever they see it. For this reason, every equipment and ship they have is organic. Pretty bizarre.

Actually, the Empire's ground forces aren't, at all, bad. In fact, while the movies portray them otherwise, Imperial Stormtroopers (which rank at about 3 trillion, last I checked. Could be Legends numbers though) are pretty competent on their own. It's just that the Empire employs itself with designs meant to incite fear, which gives their equipment (like the Imperial ISD, the main class of starships) many flaws. ISDs' shield generators (the 2 large metallic balls at the top of the ship) are very exposed. And, as shown in Return of the Jedi, a doomed starfighter crashing into the bridge was enough to bring down the Executor-class Super Star Destroyer (19 Km), the ship which crashes to the Death Star II's surface.
Fear, power, strength and numbers, at the cost of defense, survivability, flexibility and practical use.

On the other hand, the Galactic Republic has strength, defense, survivability and flexibility. Every Clone Trooper is a clone of the deadliest bounty hunter (Jango Fett), which makes them natural soldiers. However, they have slightly inferior technology and, compared to the Empire, inferior numbers. Given how crazy fast Unggoy (Grunts) breed and mature, the Covenant could potentially outnumber and outproduce the Galactic Republic and even the CoIS, which is made up exclusively of various Droid models.
Additionally, a large part of ship-to-ship combat in SW is starfighters, with the Rebel Alliance relying almost exclusively on them for their success. While in Halo, piloting a Starfighters gives you reduced chances of survival, since both UNSC and Covenant ships have excellent Point-Defense Weaponry systems (anti-fighter technology), meaning any starship pilot, even someone like Anakin (best pilot in the Republic) would have a very high chance of death.
Now that you mention what the Yuuzhan Vong are I actually remember seeing something about them I knew what they were I just didnt know the name. In the star wars universe im I know more about the republic and the clone troopers. Only thing is that when you think of warfare there are multiple things that you have to think about. While the empire as 3 trillion storm troopers those troopers cant do any good if they are killed before making it to the combat. As you said with the ISD shield generators if those thing goes down (which lets be honest the kind of munitions that the unsc use go straight through the shields so it would only be a matter of minutes at most until the shield generators went down allowing the covenant to open fire on the ships. Another thing that we have to take into account is R&D in warfare they will almost certainly put time and money into building new and deadlier technology to eliminate there targets. As you said that the UNSC and covenant are very good at taking down fighters which is in star wars the main way of taking down ships. If the UNSC and Covenant were able to take out the empires or republics naval forces their ground forces on the bottom would have no ability to resupply and in theory the UNSC and Covenant could just evac there forces and glass the planet. But lets say they dont then the UNSC and Covenant could land troops and supply's unharassed allowing it to just turn into eliminate the remaining forces. However if this doesnt happen and the two navies remained in gridlock then this lead to ground troops being stuck in an all out brawl and see more tactical warfare than eliminate remaining troops rather it becomes take strategic points in which I believe that star wars would win due to there amazing special forces and siege tactics.
Now that you mention what the Yuuzhan Vong are I actually remember seeing something about them I knew what they were I just didnt know the name. In the star wars universe im I know more about the republic and the clone troopers. Only thing is that when you think of warfare there are multiple things that you have to think about. While the empire as 3 trillion storm troopers those troopers cant do any good if they are killed before making it to the combat. As you said with the ISD shield generators if those thing goes down (which lets be honest the kind of munitions that the unsc use go straight through the shields so it would only be a matter of minutes at most until the shield generators went down allowing the covenant to open fire on the ships. Another thing that we have to take into account is R&D in warfare they will almost certainly put time and money into building new and deadlier technology to eliminate there targets. As you said that the UNSC and covenant are very good at taking down fighters which is in star wars the main way of taking down ships. If the UNSC and Covenant were able to take out the empires or republics naval forces their ground forces on the bottom would have no ability to resupply and in theory the UNSC and Covenant could just evac there forces and glass the planet. But lets say they dont then the UNSC and Covenant could land troops and supply's unharassed allowing it to just turn into eliminate the remaining forces. However if this doesnt happen and the two navies remained in gridlock then this lead to ground troops being stuck in an all out brawl and see more tactical warfare than eliminate remaining troops rather it becomes take strategic points in which I believe that star wars would win due to there amazing special forces and siege tactics.
Ultimately, because of the naval supremacy, I come to think less of ground combat, because, unless the planet your attacking has some importance, there's nothing stopping you from bombarding the place, either with plasma bombardment or even a MAC.
However, whether SW wins ground battles is up to debate too. Because while they have specialized troops (Clone Commandos, Droidekas, SBDs, etc.), Halo has soldiers on their own category. Spartans alone are like Human-shaped tanks, deadly efficient. Sangheili, in general, are already very skilled in combat. Hunters, however, would be absolute nightmares. Vehicles in general are also inferior design-wise. AT-STs are worse than Mantises, making them easy prey to the likes of Scorpions. Tankier vehicles like the AT-AT have reduced mobility, although powerful weapons, but should be easy to take down by Spartans and specialized Sangheili infantry. So, I'd actually argue SW would need a heavy defense if it wants to hope to win.
Now that you mention what the Yuuzhan Vong are I actually remember seeing something about them I knew what they were I just didnt know the name. In the star wars universe im I know more about the republic and the clone troopers. Only thing is that when you think of warfare there are multiple things that you have to think about. While the empire as 3 trillion storm troopers those troopers cant do any good if they are killed before making it to the combat. As you said with the ISD shield generators if those thing goes down (which lets be honest the kind of munitions that the unsc use go straight through the shields so it would only be a matter of minutes at most until the shield generators went down allowing the covenant to open fire on the ships. Another thing that we have to take into account is R&D in warfare they will almost certainly put time and money into building new and deadlier technology to eliminate there targets. As you said that the UNSC and covenant are very good at taking down fighters which is in star wars the main way of taking down ships. If the UNSC and Covenant were able to take out the empires or republics naval forces their ground forces on the bottom would have no ability to resupply and in theory the UNSC and Covenant could just evac there forces and glass the planet. But lets say they dont then the UNSC and Covenant could land troops and supply's unharassed allowing it to just turn into eliminate the remaining forces. However if this doesnt happen and the two navies remained in gridlock then this lead to ground troops being stuck in an all out brawl and see more tactical warfare than eliminate remaining troops rather it becomes take strategic points in which I believe that star wars would win due to there amazing special forces and siege tactics.
Ultimately, because of the naval supremacy, I come to think less of ground combat, because, unless the planet your attacking has some importance, there's nothing stopping you from bombarding the place, either with plasma bombardment or even a MAC.
However, whether SW wins ground battles is up to debate too. Because while they have specialized troops (Clone Commandos, Droidekas, SBDs, etc.), Halo has soldiers on their own category. Spartans alone are like Human-shaped tanks, deadly efficient. Sangheili, in general, are already very skilled in combat. Hunters, however, would be absolute nightmares. So, I'd actually argue SW would need a heavy defense if it wants to hope to win.
That is true but the empire does have some pretty damn nasty bio weapons they could use if they feel like they are losing such as the blackwing virus (I believe that is what it is called) and the fact that they can also make some really good spies from anyone.
Ultimately, because of the naval supremacy, I come to think less of ground combat, because, unless the planet your attacking has some importance, there's nothing stopping you from bombarding the place, either with plasma bombardment or even a MAC.
However, whether SW wins ground battles is up to debate too. Because while they have specialized troops (Clone Commandos, Droidekas, SBDs, etc.), Halo has soldiers on their own category. Spartans alone are like Human-shaped tanks, deadly efficient. Sangheili, in general, are already very skilled in combat. Hunters, however, would be absolute nightmares. So, I'd actually argue SW would need a heavy defense if it wants to hope to win.
That is true but the empire does have some pretty damn nasty bio weapons they could use if they feel like they are losing such as the blackwing virus (I believe that is what it is called) and the fact that they can also make some really good spies from anyone.
Heads-up that I edited my comment, but after you post your answer. Nothing major though, so don't worry.
Depends. The UNSC and Covenant aren't strangers to Bio-weapons, if the Flood is something to go by. I'm honestly not sure how effective the Empire's bio weapons can be nor how the UNSC and Covenant can respond to them.
The Blackwing Virus, if handled correctly, could be deadly. However, all the experiences for it went horribly wrong, to the point that plot-armored characters could only barely survive (Chewbacca actually became a zombie, but was turned to normal because... space magic? I don't remember, but I'm certain it was something wacky).
Ultimately, because of the naval supremacy, I come to think less of ground combat, because, unless the planet your attacking has some importance, there's nothing stopping you from bombarding the place, either with plasma bombardment or even a MAC.
However, whether SW wins ground battles is up to debate too. Because while they have specialized troops (Clone Commandos, Droidekas, SBDs, etc.), Halo has soldiers on their own category. Spartans alone are like Human-shaped tanks, deadly efficient. Sangheili, in general, are already very skilled in combat. Hunters, however, would be absolute nightmares. So, I'd actually argue SW would need a heavy defense if it wants to hope to win.
That is true but the empire does have some pretty damn nasty bio weapons they could use if they feel like they are losing such as the blackwing virus (I believe that is what it is called) and the fact that they can also make some really good spies from anyone.
Heads-up that I edited my comment, but after you post your answer. Nothing major though, so don't worry.
Depends. The UNSC and Covenant aren't strangers to Bio-weapons, if the Flood is something to go by. I'm honestly not sure how effective the Empire's bio weapons can be nor how the UNSC and Covenant can respond to them.
The Blackwing Virus, if handled correctly, could be deadly. However, all the experiences for it went horribly wrong, to the point that plot-armored characters could only barely survive (Chewbacca actually became a zombie, but was turned to normal because... space magic? I don't remember, but I'm certain it was something wacky).
That is true I actually had no idea that Chewbacca became a zombie. It is also in my understanding though that if it comes to the spy/infiltration game the empire would win due to lack of spies for the covenant and UNSC. So I could see the empire doing sabotage. I also know that there was a nano machine/virus that could be used to eliminate targets I believe that mon mothma was targeted by this virus and only survived because a jedi use force ability's to heal her and due to the UNSCs lack of jedi I would say that that would probably be effective is used without any warning. If you did it before they realized you could probably poison all of the top brass.
Ultimately, because of the naval supremacy, I come to think less of ground combat, because, unless the planet your attacking has some importance, there's nothing stopping you from bombarding the place, either with plasma bombardment or even a MAC.
However, whether SW wins ground battles is up to debate too. Because while they have specialized troops (Clone Commandos, Droidekas, SBDs, etc.), Halo has soldiers on their own category. Spartans alone are like Human-shaped tanks, deadly efficient. Sangheili, in general, are already very skilled in combat. Hunters, however, would be absolute nightmares. So, I'd actually argue SW would need a heavy defense if it wants to hope to win.
That is true I actually had no idea that Chewbacca became a zombie. It is also in my understanding though that if it comes to the spy/infiltration game the empire would win due to lack of spies for the covenant and UNSC. So I could see the empire doing sabotage. I also know that there was a nano machine/virus that could be used to eliminate targets I believe that mon mothma was targeted by this virus and only survived because a jedi use force ability's to heal her and due to the UNSCs lack of jedi I would say that that would probably be effective is used without any warning. If you did it before they realized you could probably poison all of the top brass.
The UNSC and Covenant do have their own spies. There's ONI specialists, and especially the Headhunters which are designed to operate behind enemy lines and sabotage them. The Covenant has a dedicated Spec-Ops division as seen in Halo 2. But they also have the Silent Shadow (Sangheili) and the Bloodstars (Jiralhanae), the two arguably most skilled and deadly groups in the Covenant.
Never heard of that tale about Mon Mothma. Interesting. It doesn't happen to be a Clone Wars subplot, does it? I honestly don't remember.
Ultimately, because of the naval supremacy, I come to think less of ground combat, because, unless the planet your attacking has some importance, there's nothing stopping you from bombarding the place, either with plasma bombardment or even a MAC.
However, whether SW wins ground battles is up to debate too. Because while they have specialized troops (Clone Commandos, Droidekas, SBDs, etc.), Halo has soldiers on their own category. Spartans alone are like Human-shaped tanks, deadly efficient. Sangheili, in general, are already very skilled in combat. Hunters, however, would be absolute nightmares. So, I'd actually argue SW would need a heavy defense if it wants to hope to win.
That is true I actually had no idea that Chewbacca became a zombie. It is also in my understanding though that if it comes to the spy/infiltration game the empire would win due to lack of spies for the covenant and UNSC. So I could see the empire doing sabotage. I also know that there was a nano machine/virus that could be used to eliminate targets I believe that mon mothma was targeted by this virus and only survived because a jedi use force ability's to heal her and due to the UNSCs lack of jedi I would say that that would probably be effective is used without any warning. If you did it before they realized you could probably poison all of the top brass.
The UNSC and Covenant do have their own spies. There's ONI specialists, and especially the Headhunters which are designed to operate behind enemy lines and sabotage them. The Covenant has a dedicated Spec-Ops division as seen in Halo 2. But they also have the Silent Shadow (Sangheili) and the Bloodstars (Jiralhanae), the two arguably most skilled and deadly groups in the Covenant.
Never heard of that tale about Mon Mothma. Interesting. It doesn't happen to be a Clone Wars subplot, does it? I honestly don't remember.
I forget where the Mon Mothma story is I believe its in a comic or a book though from but I saw it in a video if you look up empire bioweapons or something like that it will talk about it. With the UNSC and Covenant spies I feel they wouldnt be as effective as the ONI are used to there technology and possibly wouldnt know how the empires technology works instantly making them sus. Yes I knew about the silent shadow but I had never heard of the bloodstars. I have never really thought of the Silent Shadow as spies. But I suppose they can easily infiltrate an area and steal information.
Ultimately, because of the naval supremacy, I come to think less of ground combat, because, unless the planet your attacking has some importance, there's nothing stopping you from bombarding the place, either with plasma bombardment or even a MAC.
However, whether SW wins ground battles is up to debate too. Because while they have specialized troops (Clone Commandos, Droidekas, SBDs, etc.), Halo has soldiers on their own category. Spartans alone are like Human-shaped tanks, deadly efficient. Sangheili, in general, are already very skilled in combat. Hunters, however, would be absolute nightmares. So, I'd actually argue SW would need a heavy defense if it wants to hope to win.
I forget where the Mon Mothma story is I believe its in a comic or a book though from but I saw it in a video if you look up empire bioweapons or something like that it will talk about it. With the UNSC and Covenant spies I feel they wouldnt be as effective as the ONI are used to there technology and possibly wouldnt know how the empires technology works instantly making them sus. Yes I knew about the silent shadow but I had never heard of the bloodstars. I have never really thought of the Silent Shadow as spies. But I suppose they can easily infiltrate an area and steal information.
All factions would have some problems understanding how each other's tech works, especially the Empire with the Covenant's.
The Silent Shadow are made for highly dangerous operations behind enemy lines. They would be suited for sabotage or espionage, as you wouldn't miss the chance of crippling your enemy or developing countermeasures now, wouldn't you?
Ultimately, because of the naval supremacy, I come to think less of ground combat, because, unless the planet your attacking has some importance, there's nothing stopping you from bombarding the place, either with plasma bombardment or even a MAC.
However, whether SW wins ground battles is up to debate too. Because while they have specialized troops (Clone Commandos, Droidekas, SBDs, etc.), Halo has soldiers on their own category. Spartans alone are like Human-shaped tanks, deadly efficient. Sangheili, in general, are already very skilled in combat. Hunters, however, would be absolute nightmares. So, I'd actually argue SW would need a heavy defense if it wants to hope to win.
I forget where the Mon Mothma story is I believe its in a comic or a book though from but I saw it in a video if you look up empire bioweapons or something like that it will talk about it. With the UNSC and Covenant spies I feel they wouldnt be as effective as the ONI are used to there technology and possibly wouldnt know how the empires technology works instantly making them sus. Yes I knew about the silent shadow but I had never heard of the bloodstars. I have never really thought of the Silent Shadow as spies. But I suppose they can easily infiltrate an area and steal information.
All factions would have some problems understanding how each other's tech works, especially the Empire with the Covenant's.
The Silent Shadow are made for highly dangerous operations behind enemy lines. They would be suited for sabotage or espionage, as you wouldn't miss the chance of crippling your enemy or developing countermeasures now, wouldn't you?
nyet any chance at crippling my enemy I would take. The further we go into this conversation the more we know that the UNSC and Covenant would win.
Ultimately, because of the naval supremacy, I come to think less of ground combat, because, unless the planet your attacking has some importance, there's nothing stopping you from bombarding the place, either with plasma bombardment or even a MAC.
However, whether SW wins ground battles is up to debate too. Because while they have specialized troops (Clone Commandos, Droidekas, SBDs, etc.), Halo has soldiers on their own category. Spartans alone are like Human-shaped tanks, deadly efficient. Sangheili, in general, are already very skilled in combat. Hunters, however, would be absolute nightmares. So, I'd actually argue SW would need a heavy defense if it wants to hope to win.
I forget where the Mon Mothma story is I believe its in a comic or a book though from but I saw it in a video if you look up empire bioweapons or something like that it will talk about it. With the UNSC and Covenant spies I feel they wouldnt be as effective as the ONI are used to there technology and possibly wouldnt know how the empires technology works instantly making them sus. Yes I knew about the silent shadow but I had never heard of the bloodstars. I have never really thought of the Silent Shadow as spies. But I suppose they can easily infiltrate an area and steal information.
All factions would have some problems understanding how each other's tech works, especially the Empire with the Covenant's.
The Silent Shadow are made for highly dangerous operations behind enemy lines. They would be suited for sabotage or espionage, as you wouldn't miss the chance of crippling your enemy or developing countermeasures now, wouldn't you?
nyet any chance at crippling my enemy I would take. The further we go into this conversation the more we know that the UNSC and Covenant would win.
I mean, yeah, that's what I believe. Against canon, Halo wins. However, Legends is a different beast, and only the Forerunners can win (and by win, I mean mop the floor).
Ultimately, because of the naval supremacy, I come to think less of ground combat, because, unless the planet your attacking has some importance, there's nothing stopping you from bombarding the place, either with plasma bombardment or even a MAC.
However, whether SW wins ground battles is up to debate too. Because while they have specialized troops (Clone Commandos, Droidekas, SBDs, etc.), Halo has soldiers on their own category. Spartans alone are like Human-shaped tanks, deadly efficient. Sangheili, in general, are already very skilled in combat. Hunters, however, would be absolute nightmares. So, I'd actually argue SW would need a heavy defense if it wants to hope to win.
I forget where the Mon Mothma story is I believe its in a comic or a book though from but I saw it in a video if you look up empire bioweapons or something like that it will talk about it. With the UNSC and Covenant spies I feel they wouldnt be as effective as the ONI are used to there technology and possibly wouldnt know how the empires technology works instantly making them sus. Yes I knew about the silent shadow but I had never heard of the bloodstars. I have never really thought of the Silent Shadow as spies. But I suppose they can easily infiltrate an area and steal information.
All factions would have some problems understanding how each other's tech works, especially the Empire with the Covenant's.
The Silent Shadow are made for highly dangerous operations behind enemy lines. They would be suited for sabotage or espionage, as you wouldn't miss the chance of crippling your enemy or developing countermeasures now, wouldn't you?
nyet any chance at crippling my enemy I would take. The further we go into this conversation the more we know that the UNSC and Covenant would win.
I mean, yeah, that's what I believe. Against canon, Halo wins. However, Legends is a different beast, and only the Forerunners can win (and by win, I mean mop the floor).
Yeah that is true because forerunners (especially if led by the ur-didact) Could just compose whole crews and use them for Promethean soldiers.
Ultimately, because of the naval supremacy, I come to think less of ground combat, because, unless the planet your attacking has some importance, there's nothing stopping you from bombarding the place, either with plasma bombardment or even a MAC.
However, whether SW wins ground battles is up to debate too. Because while they have specialized troops (Clone Commandos, Droidekas, SBDs, etc.), Halo has soldiers on their own category. Spartans alone are like Human-shaped tanks, deadly efficient. Sangheili, in general, are already very skilled in combat. Hunters, however, would be absolute nightmares. So, I'd actually argue SW would need a heavy defense if it wants to hope to win.
I forget where the Mon Mothma story is I believe its in a comic or a book though from but I saw it in a video if you look up empire bioweapons or something like that it will talk about it. With the UNSC and Covenant spies I feel they wouldnt be as effective as the ONI are used to there technology and possibly wouldnt know how the empires technology works instantly making them sus. Yes I knew about the silent shadow but I had never heard of the bloodstars. I have never really thought of the Silent Shadow as spies. But I suppose they can easily infiltrate an area and steal information.
All factions would have some problems understanding how each other's tech works, especially the Empire with the Covenant's.
The Silent Shadow are made for highly dangerous operations behind enemy lines. They would be suited for sabotage or espionage, as you wouldn't miss the chance of crippling your enemy or developing countermeasures now, wouldn't you?
nyet any chance at crippling my enemy I would take. The further we go into this conversation the more we know that the UNSC and Covenant would win.
I mean, yeah, that's what I believe. Against canon, Halo wins. However, Legends is a different beast, and only the Forerunners can win (and by win, I mean mop the floor).
Yeah that is true because forerunners (especially if led by the ur-didact) Could just compose whole crews and use them for Promethean soldiers.
It's not just that, it's because if a mere mining ship can destroy and build planets, then what are other ship classes capable of?
Ultimately, because of the naval supremacy, I come to think less of ground combat, because, unless the planet your attacking has some importance, there's nothing stopping you from bombarding the place, either with plasma bombardment or even a MAC.
However, whether SW wins ground battles is up to debate too. Because while they have specialized troops (Clone Commandos, Droidekas, SBDs, etc.), Halo has soldiers on their own category. Spartans alone are like Human-shaped tanks, deadly efficient. Sangheili, in general, are already very skilled in combat. Hunters, however, would be absolute nightmares. So, I'd actually argue SW would need a heavy defense if it wants to hope to win.
I forget where the Mon Mothma story is I believe its in a comic or a book though from but I saw it in a video if you look up empire bioweapons or something like that it will talk about it. With the UNSC and Covenant spies I feel they wouldnt be as effective as the ONI are used to there technology and possibly wouldnt know how the empires technology works instantly making them sus. Yes I knew about the silent shadow but I had never heard of the bloodstars. I have never really thought of the Silent Shadow as spies. But I suppose they can easily infiltrate an area and steal information.
All factions would have some problems understanding how each other's tech works, especially the Empire with the Covenant's.
The Silent Shadow are made for highly dangerous operations behind enemy lines. They would be suited for sabotage or espionage, as you wouldn't miss the chance of crippling your enemy or developing countermeasures now, wouldn't you?
nyet any chance at crippling my enemy I would take. The further we go into this conversation the more we know that the UNSC and Covenant would win.
I mean, yeah, that's what I believe. Against canon, Halo wins. However, Legends is a different beast, and only the Forerunners can win (and by win, I mean mop the floor).
Yeah that is true because forerunners (especially if led by the ur-didact) Could just compose whole crews and use them for Promethean soldiers.
It's not just that, it's because if a mere mining ship can destroy and build planets, then what are other ship classes capable of?
I forgot about that. Thats kinda scary to think about if just a mining ship is better than the Infinity the most powerful ship in the unsc fleet then what is the most powerful ship the forerunners have. I can definitely see a giant ship with star system destroying weapons that doesnt require a star to fire.
Ultimately, because of the naval supremacy, I come to think less of ground combat, because, unless the planet your attacking has some importance, there's nothing stopping you from bombarding the place, either with plasma bombardment or even a MAC.
However, whether SW wins ground battles is up to debate too. Because while they have specialized troops (Clone Commandos, Droidekas, SBDs, etc.), Halo has soldiers on their own category. Spartans alone are like Human-shaped tanks, deadly efficient. Sangheili, in general, are already very skilled in combat. Hunters, however, would be absolute nightmares. So, I'd actually argue SW would need a heavy defense if it wants to hope to win.
I forget where the Mon Mothma story is I believe its in a comic or a book though from but I saw it in a video if you look up empire bioweapons or something like that it will talk about it. With the UNSC and Covenant spies I feel they wouldnt be as effective as the ONI are used to there technology and possibly wouldnt know how the empires technology works instantly making them sus. Yes I knew about the silent shadow but I had never heard of the bloodstars. I have never really thought of the Silent Shadow as spies. But I suppose they can easily infiltrate an area and steal information.
All factions would have some problems understanding how each other's tech works, especially the Empire with the Covenant's.
The Silent Shadow are made for highly dangerous operations behind enemy lines. They would be suited for sabotage or espionage, as you wouldn't miss the chance of crippling your enemy or developing countermeasures now, wouldn't you?
nyet any chance at crippling my enemy I would take. The further we go into this conversation the more we know that the UNSC and Covenant would win.
I mean, yeah, that's what I believe. Against canon, Halo wins. However, Legends is a different beast, and only the Forerunners can win (and by win, I mean mop the floor).
Yeah that is true because forerunners (especially if led by the ur-didact) Could just compose whole crews and use them for Promethean soldiers.
It's not just that, it's because if a mere mining ship can destroy and build planets, then what are other ship classes capable of?
Here is the thing (yes I'm back did you missed me jk), I was reading about the Death Star and you are missing the fact that. In both canon and legends of star wars the Death Star's weakness was linked to the rebels, and one of the rebels was a prodigy in flying (being Luke). Also in a full on war like the Empire vs The Covenant (which btw the Empire was built for more of the war like that, then the war against hit and run fighters like the rebels). That the Death Star would most likely send most if not all their fighters and both of Death Stars can hold hundreds if not thousands.

Here is the thing the Forerunners are good, but now in even Canon there is a lot of things that would be a pain in the butt for halo overall. There are the Ones (who are basically gods), you also have to deal with bs like Starkiller base which could snipe a whole solar system from deep space. There's also the fact that Sidious can snipe anything in the galaxy using Lightning which is what he used to destroy the New Jedi temple in the comics btw.

But I do agree that Halo would most likely beat Canon SW, but Legends is a different monster.

Edit: I don't think the Forerunners can beat Legends at all Star Wars Legends just has too much, and Star Wars scaling is a monster. Legends beats Halo, but halo beats canon it just depends on what you used.
Here is the thing (yes I'm back did you missed me jk), I was reading about the Death Star and you are missing the fact that. In both canon and legends of star wars the Death Star's weakness was linked to the rebels, and one of the rebels was a prodigy in flying (being Luke). Also in a full on war like the Empire vs The Covenant (which btw the Empire was built for more of the war like that, then the war against hit and run fighters like the rebels). That the Death Star would most likely send most if not all their fighters and both of Death Stars can hold hundreds if not thousands.

Here is the thing the Forerunners are good, but now in even Canon there is a lot of things that would be a pain in the butt for halo overall. There are the Ones (who are basically gods), you also have to deal with bs like Starkiller base which could snipe a whole solar system from deep space. There's also the fact that Sidious can snipe anything in the galaxy using Lightning which is what he used to destroy the New Jedi temple in the comics btw.

But I do agree that Halo would most likely beat Canon SW, but Legends is a different monster.

Edit: I don't think the Forerunners can beat Legends at all Star Wars Legends just has too much, and Star Wars scaling is a monster. Legends beats Halo, but halo beats canon it just depends on what you used.
Welcome back, I guess.
I honestly think the Death Star is probably the most useless thing the Empire would have. Yes, it can destroy worlds, yes, it houses thousands of fighters... But:
  1. High Charity is the only thing the Covenant would call home, but it's a mobile one. If anything, it'll take the same course as with the Halo Universe: staying hidden and sending warships to deal with the aggressors, ultimately glassing the worlds.
  2. Fighting in a starfighter in the Halo Universe is almost a death wish. In SW, point-defense weapons are manned, never automated. But in Halo, it's the other way around, and I can see a, let's say, CCS cruiser taking hundreds of Starfighters lives before it is somehow destroyed. And since a large part of space combat in SW is through starfighters, the Empire would always have massive casualties of pilots. Even Anakin would struggle, and I'd honestly call his survival a miracle.
The Ones may be Gods, but I think they would be nearly completely useless. The Force can only affect beings and things originated from it's Galaxy. The Yuzzhan Vong came from another Galaxy and were immune to it. The Covenant would, logically, be immune to the Force as well, since the SW and Milky Way Galaxies aren't exactly the same...

Starkiller Base, to me, is pretty much a Death Star on steroids, so equally as useless. It'd be a glassing paradise for the Covenant.

Where does that Sidious feet come from? I know about his Force Storms on Legends, but I don't think he's that powerful in canon.

SW Legends may have ridiculous numbers... but if a mining ship is capable of destroying and building planets then who wonders what actual war vessels are capable of. SW may be lucky because we still don't know the true naval prowess of the Forerunners. But I still cling to Forerunner steamrolling both Canon and Legends.
Here is the thing (yes I'm back did you missed me jk), I was reading about the Death Star and you are missing the fact that. In both canon and legends of star wars the Death Star's weakness was linked to the rebels, and one of the rebels was a prodigy in flying (being Luke). Also in a full on war like the Empire vs The Covenant (which btw the Empire was built for more of the war like that, then the war against hit and run fighters like the rebels). That the Death Star would most likely send most if not all their fighters and both of Death Stars can hold hundreds if not thousands.

Here is the thing the Forerunners are good, but now in even Canon there is a lot of things that would be a pain in the butt for halo overall. There are the Ones (who are basically gods), you also have to deal with bs like Starkiller base which could snipe a whole solar system from deep space. There's also the fact that Sidious can snipe anything in the galaxy using Lightning which is what he used to destroy the New Jedi temple in the comics btw.

But I do agree that Halo would most likely beat Canon SW, but Legends is a different monster.

Edit: I don't think the Forerunners can beat Legends at all Star Wars Legends just has too much, and Star Wars scaling is a monster. Legends beats Halo, but halo beats canon it just depends on what you used.
Welcome back, I guess.
I honestly think the Death Star is probably the most useless thing the Empire would have. Yes, it can destroy worlds, yes, it houses thousands of fighters... But:
  1. High Charity is the only thing the Covenant would call home, but it's a mobile one. If anything, it'll take the same course as with the Halo Universe: staying hidden and sending warships to deal with the aggressors, ultimately glassing the worlds.
  2. Fighting in a starfighter in the Halo Universe is almost a death wish. In SW, point-defense weapons are manned, never automated. But in Halo, it's the other way around, and I can see a, let's say, CCS cruiser taking hundreds of Starfighters lives before it is somehow destroyed. And since a large part of space combat in SW is through starfighters, the Empire would always have massive casualties of pilots. Even Anakin would struggle, and I'd honestly call his survival a miracle.
The Ones may be Gods, but I think they would be nearly completely useless. The Force can only affect beings and things originated from it's Galaxy. The Yuzzhan Vong came from another Galaxy and were immune to it. The Covenant would, logically, be immune to the Force as well, since the SW and Milky Way Galaxies aren't exactly the same...

Starkiller Base, to me, is pretty much a Death Star on steroids, so equally as useless. It'd be a glassing paradise for the Covenant.

Where does that Sidious feet come from? I know about his Force Storms on Legends, but I don't think he's that powerful in canon.

SW Legends may have ridiculous numbers... but if a mining ship is capable of destroying and building planets then who wonders what actual war vessels are capable of. SW may be lucky because we still don't know the true naval prowess of the Forerunners. But I still cling to Forerunner steamrolling both Canon and Legends.
Actually starfighters were actually pretty good in Star Wars believe it or not in the books it shows the it just depends on the factions you are piloting for. Like if you are in the Empire it would be basically asking to die, however there was so many tie fighters that they can just overwhelm enemies. And that's just the normal TIE fighters that were bad, but their was many didn't star ships in Star Wars that were amazing. (there was actually a few that could destroy capital ships too)

And actually that's wrong about the Force, The Yuzzhan Yong empire wasn't actually immune to the Force. It was actually in the books that they were had some resistance to the Force cut mostly from Jedi. Because in Legends in the books the Sith actually started smacking them around once everyone comes together. Plus there was other species that weren't in the generally in the normal galaxy and the Force works on them fine. (Oh and the Yuzzhan Yong actually had the Force before it gets ripped from them in the books)

StarKiller base would most likely be protected by a huge fleet so I disagree with that personally.

Sidious in legends made a black hole, but in canon he actually did nuked the new jedi temple from the other side of the galaxy in the comics on some stupid bs.

Anyway, canon is still building up its lore so we will have to wait to see how powerful the old republic era is. And once again Legends just has so much I feel like it would just over come Halo like it would have just to much fight they would get tired from fighting so much. Reasoning being is the Star Wars galaxy is actually bigger than the Milky Way btw. So they would have more supplies and men power.

I do se where you do come from, but I feel like you aren't using books and comics from Star Wars and just down playing them. A star destroyer in the books actually were said to be able to destroy a planet similar to the glassing of the covenant ships in legends and canon. There are also superweapons in Star Wars that were able to make an unlimited amount of ships and droids using the Dark Side in legends which was hidden until Revan and Malak found it again. (If you would like to talk more about this dm me and I'll send you my discord bc I know Star Wars just has so much that its actually makes no sense and it will be easier to say it all in a call than like this.)
Actually starfighters were actually pretty good in Star Wars believe it or not in the books it shows the it just depends on the factions you are piloting for. Like if you are in the Empire it would be basically asking to die, however there was so many tie fighters that they can just overwhelm enemies. And that's just the normal TIE fighters that were bad, but their was many didn't star ships in Star Wars that were amazing. (there was actually a few that could destroy capital ships too)
You're missing the point.
I don't deny Starfighters' effectiveness. It's just that in SW, you have an actual chance to survive, while in Halo, it's usually a one-way ticket. Reason being that SW has manned point-defense systems while Halo has automated.
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And actually that's wrong about the Force, The Yuzzhan Yong empire wasn't actually immune to the Force. It was actually in the books that they were had some resistance to the Force cut mostly from Jedi. Because in Legends in the books the Sith actually started smacking them around once everyone comes together. Plus there was other species that weren't in the generally in the normal galaxy and the Force works on them fine. (Oh and the Yuzzhan Yong actually had the Force before it gets ripped from them in the books)
Going to need some sources on those claims. I always heard they were immune to it. But I won't throw out the possibility of being misunderstood.
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StarKiller base would most likely be protected by a huge fleet so I disagree with that personally.
Or not... I didn't see any capital ships near Starkiller Base in TFA. But then again, the movies do such a poor job at being consistent or explaining things... If the info is in a comic or encyclopedia, you could blame my ignorance, mostly because I want to forget this garbage fire of a trilogy.
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Sidious in legends made a black hole, but in canon he actually did nuked the new jedi temple from the other side of the galaxy in the comics on some stupid bs.
Seriously?
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Anyway, canon is still building up its lore so we will have to wait to see how powerful the old republic era is. And once again Legends just has so much I feel like it would just over come Halo like it would have just to much fight they would get tired from fighting so much. Reasoning being is the Star Wars galaxy is actually bigger than the Milky Way btw. So they would have more supplies and men power.
If only they didn't spend all this time squishing as many Darth Vader stories as possible... I like how they made him a monster, but it gets tiring and bloated.
We could... but I'd be clueless about the High Republic because I honestly don't care about it at all. It's Disney grabbing a concept and "making their own thing" which turns out worse. Is it so difficult to canonize the Old Republic era (3000/4000 BBY)?
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I do se where you do come from, but I feel like you aren't using books and comics from Star Wars and just down playing them. A star destroyer in the books actually were said to be able to destroy a planet similar to the glassing of the covenant ships in legends and canon. There are also superweapons in Star Wars that were able to make an unlimited amount of ships and droids using the Dark Side in legends which was hidden until Revan and Malak found it again. (If you would like to talk more about this dm me and I'll send you my discord bc I know Star Wars just has so much that its actually makes no sense and it will be easier to say it all in a call than like this.)
Actually, I'm not. I use the facts that I hear from Legends specialists. I never bought a SW comic and I won't bother because it's just too much lore, especially since most of that lore (Legends) now doesn't matter because it's not Disney's universe, so it won't ever be expanded again. Even this, this lore that Disney is approving is just... boring. Why should I care about Yoda personally hating Dooku's lightsaber? God, I hate Disney...
For sure. DM me your response.
Actually starfighters were actually pretty good in Star Wars believe it or not in the books it shows the it just depends on the factions you are piloting for. Like if you are in the Empire it would be basically asking to die, however there was so many tie fighters that they can just overwhelm enemies. And that's just the normal TIE fighters that were bad, but their was many didn't star ships in Star Wars that were amazing. (there was actually a few that could destroy capital ships too)
You're missing the point.
I don't deny Starfighters' effectiveness. It's just that in SW, you have an actual chance to survive, while in Halo, it's usually a one-way ticket. Reason being that SW has manned point-defense systems while Halo has automated.
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And actually that's wrong about the Force, The Yuzzhan Yong empire wasn't actually immune to the Force. It was actually in the books that they were had some resistance to the Force cut mostly from Jedi. Because in Legends in the books the Sith actually started smacking them around once everyone comes together. Plus there was other species that weren't in the generally in the normal galaxy and the Force works on them fine. (Oh and the Yuzzhan Yong actually had the Force before it gets ripped from them in the books)
Going to need some sources on those claims. I always heard they were immune to it. But I won't throw out the possibility of being misunderstood.
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StarKiller base would most likely be protected by a huge fleet so I disagree with that personally.
Or not... I didn't see any capital ships near Starkiller Base in TFA. But then again, the movies do such a poor job at being consistent or explaining things... If the info is in a comic or encyclopedia, you could blame my ignorance, mostly because I want to forget this garbage fire of a trilogy.
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Sidious in legends made a black hole, but in canon he actually did nuked the new jedi temple from the other side of the galaxy in the comics on some stupid bs.
Seriously?
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Anyway, canon is still building up its lore so we will have to wait to see how powerful the old republic era is. And once again Legends just has so much I feel like it would just over come Halo like it would have just to much fight they would get tired from fighting so much. Reasoning being is the Star Wars galaxy is actually bigger than the Milky Way btw. So they would have more supplies and men power.
If only they didn't spend all this time squishing as many Darth Vader stories as possible... I like how they made him a monster, but it gets tiring and bloated.
We could... but I'd be clueless about the High Republic because I honestly don't care about it at all. It's Disney grabbing a concept and "making their own thing" which turns out worse. Is it so difficult to canonize the Old Republic era (3000/4000 BBY)?
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I do se where you do come from, but I feel like you aren't using books and comics from Star Wars and just down playing them. A star destroyer in the books actually were said to be able to destroy a planet similar to the glassing of the covenant ships in legends and canon. There are also superweapons in Star Wars that were able to make an unlimited amount of ships and droids using the Dark Side in legends which was hidden until Revan and Malak found it again. (If you would like to talk more about this dm me and I'll send you my discord bc I know Star Wars just has so much that its actually makes no sense and it will be easier to say it all in a call than like this.)
Actually, I'm not. I use the facts that I hear from Legends specialists. I never bought a SW comic and I won't bother because it's just too much lore, especially since most of that lore (Legends) now doesn't matter because it's not Disney's universe, so it won't ever be expanded again. Even this, this lore that Disney is approving is just... boring. Why should I care about Yoda personally hating Dooku's lightsaber? God, I hate Disney...
For sure. DM me your response.
With the Starfighters I was actually explaining that was wrong and it depends on the faction/mission. The movies only show that it was mostly a one way mission to show
the underdogs somehow winning again which is plot. But in the comics and books it actually talks about how good the pilots and ships are.

If you were told that it was probably someone who didn't understand why they were destroying the Jedi (which they were), but they started to fear the Sith later on in the war (to be fair a Sith in legends was able to destroy an whole army by just looking at them sooo) (yes it actually happened and yes it was stupid)

Yeah, so the reason their was no capital defending Star Killer base was because most of their ships were on other missions, and they believed no one knew where it was. That's why Finn was so useful he lowkey linked the base's location. Plus Star Killer base was almost in deep space like it was FAR.

Yes, it's dumb how op he is in the books and comics. But they nerf him in the movie for plot.

I agree with that point, Vader is a beast in his comic. But yet they are trying to make Star Wars in a whole new image when it had pretty of Lore for years. So it feels like a slap in the face for people who actually like the legends lore, because canon now is just really stupid.

Yeah so even if you didn't mean to down play them, you still did. And depending on who you listen too about Star Wars they either nerf the lore of Star Wars on purpose because "we have never seen it in the movies", but that be debated. And a lot of people who "study" Star Wars Lore don't know how to powerscale or wtf they are doing. Most of the Youtubers that actually talk about the lore now. Like to make jokes and lowkey low ball star wars for many different reasons even tho the books and comics show otherwise. So it just depends on who you are listening too, I have dm you my discord btw so hit me up whenever and we can try to set up a friendly little debate that will take less time than this bs lol.
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