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How are the Covenant remnants using new tech?

OP JJAB91

I mean think about it due to the loss of High Charity, the lack of engineers, lost trade routes and manufacturing facilities the various remnant factions have had to supplement their Covenant Empire era ships and weapons with usually older and less advantaged designs.

Instead of CAS-Assault Carriers, ORS-heavy cruisers and CCS-battlecrusiers a lot now use older RCS-armored cruisers, Brigantine carriers, Carrack merchant cruisers and Blockade Runners.

Instead of using Type-50 beam rifles due to lack of stock most factions now use the older Type-27 rifles.


Instead of using Type-42 and Type-52 turrets they now use the not as advanced Type-58 cannons.

Instead of using the Type-52 phantoms they used the older Type-44 and now the easier to maintain but lacking performance Type-57.

Instead of using the Type-26 Wraith due to depleting stocks they now use the more expendable, cheaper Type-58.

I can keep going but you get the point.

However what confuses me is due to the loss of manufacturing facilities and the difficultly maintaining the advanced Covenant Empire era tech without engineers the various factions switched to older or cheaper tech and yet in some instances they use more advanced tech.

Instead of using the Type-33 fuel rod gun seen throughout the war some now use the more advanced Type-58

Instead of using the common Type-32 Ghost some now use the better armored Type-54

Instead of using the Type-26 Banshee some now use the more advanced Type-54(Strangely not because of the new advancements such a shielding but because old stock of Type-26s were becoming harder to get)

And the one that stands out the most to me, instead of using what most be very commonplace due to war surplus Type-25 Plasma Rifles they now use the successor theType-55 Storm Rifle.

And I'm sure there is more I'm missing. Now with the exception of the new fuel rod cannon all of these newer weapons and vehicles seem to be made by mostly Covenant manufacturers, so where did they get these advanced facilities to create these new weapons while also being unable to create or even simply maintain the more advanced weapons and ships of the Covenant Empire? How can they use Storm Rifles while at the same time being forced to use Type-58 Wraiths?
Some of the manufactures for the new equipment (Merchants of Qikost, Lodam Armory) are based on sangheilios. It seems that the Sangheili are mixing old designs with covenant tech to create new modes, so its a hybrid of sorts. The advanced facilities probably already existed (Qikost did) with the R&D by the San 'Shyuum. Now the R&D is probably Sangheili (maybe with a bit of help from the UNSC), so on that front they are rediscovering how to build.
Some of the manufactures for the new equipment (Merchants of Qikost, Lodam Armory) are based on sangheilios. It seems that the Sangheili are mixing old designs with covenant tech to create new modes, so its a hybrid of sorts. The advanced facilities probably already existed (Qikost did) with the R&D by the San 'Shyuum. Now the R&D is probably Sangheili (maybe with a bit of help from the UNSC), so on that front they are rediscovering how to build.
This, also somewhere on Halopedia and other sites it is clearly stated that the numerical system, Ex, Type-XX is based on human encounters and classification, so a weapon that is in fact newer may have been classified in 2525 where an older weapon may not have been classified until 2552.
Some of the manufactures for the new equipment (Merchants of Qikost, Lodam Armory) are based on sangheilios. It seems that the Sangheili are mixing old designs with covenant tech to create new modes, so its a hybrid of sorts. The advanced facilities probably already existed (Qikost did) with the R&D by the San 'Shyuum. Now the R&D is probably Sangheili (maybe with a bit of help from the UNSC), so on that front they are rediscovering how to build.
This, also somewhere on Halopedia and other sites it is clearly stated that the numerical system, Ex, Type-XX is based on human encounters and classification, so a weapon that is in fact newer may have been classified in 2525 where an older weapon may not have been classified until 2552.
Thats irrelevant, every instance I listed in the OP is accurate to what I stated.
JJAB91 wrote:
Some of the manufactures for the new equipment (Merchants of Qikost, Lodam Armory) are based on sangheilios. It seems that the Sangheili are mixing old designs with covenant tech to create new modes, so its a hybrid of sorts. The advanced facilities probably already existed (Qikost did) with the R&D by the San 'Shyuum. Now the R&D is probably Sangheili (maybe with a bit of help from the UNSC), so on that front they are rediscovering how to build.
This, also somewhere on Halopedia and other sites it is clearly stated that the numerical system, Ex, Type-XX is based on human encounters and classification, so a weapon that is in fact newer may have been classified in 2525 where an older weapon may not have been classified until 2552.
Thats irrelevant, every instance I listed in the OP is accurate to what I stated.
You posted, most people do that here to ask for input or alternative ideas, next time if you don't want people to do that don't bother posting.
There are manufacturers on Qikost, Sanghelios, Suban, Malurok, Hesduros, Venezia, Eayn, Whispering trees and other colonies that continue to create new and either better or cheeper tech and sell it.
Some manufacturers are the armouries of the Merchants of Qikost, Kolaar Manufactorum, Maleesh bazaar, Lodam armoury, Iruiru armoury, Achoem weapons, Malurok armoury, and many more.

ONI catalogues weapons based on when they were encountered. That doesn't always mean that the products are older or younger basedbon when they were seen. The Plasma launcher for instance has been around since the Dawnbof the Covenant empire and the plasma rifle has not changed much in the past 500 years. T-27 beam rifle isn't weaker than the T-50 one. Covie weapon appearance often is a product of aesthetic taste and to the Covenant all the beam rifle variants are catalogued by internal machinery rather than appearance. Also the Lich was catalogued in 2556 but was there during the war. Post war the new wraith is easier to manufacture and less costly to loose but there are hundreds of wraith variants catalogued by the UNSC which by Sangheili standards are the same. The Wraith Ultra is also a significantly upgraded Wraith tank and the new banshees from Hesduros have energy shields. Why? Because the Sangheili have a ton of military industries, weapon artisans and engineers that are capable of designing new technology. That simple.
TGLT BL4cK wrote:
There are manufacturers on Qikost, Sanghelios, Suban, Malurok, Hesduros, Venezia, Eayn, Whispering trees and other colonies that continue to create new and either better or cheeper tech and sell it.
Some manufacturers are the armouries of the Merchants of Qikost, Kolaar Manufactorum, Maleesh bazaar, Lodam armoury, Iruiru armoury, Achoem weapons, Malurok armoury, and many more.

ONI catalogues weapons based on when they were encountered. That doesn't always mean that the products are older or younger basedbon when they were seen. The Plasma launcher for instance has been around since the Dawnbof the Covenant empire and the plasma rifle has not changed much in the past 500 years. T-27 beam rifle isn't weaker than the T-50 one. Covie weapon appearance often is a product of aesthetic taste and to the Covenant all the beam rifle variants are catalogued by internal machinery rather than appearance. Also the Lich was catalogued in 2556 but was there during the war. Post war the new wraith is easier to manufacture and less costly to loose but there are hundreds of wraith variants catalogued by the UNSC which by Sangheili standards are the same. The Wraith Ultra is also a significantly upgraded Wraith tank and the new banshees from Hesduros have energy shields. Why? Because the Sangheili have a ton of military industries, weapon artisans and engineers that are capable of designing new technology. That simple.
Couldn't have said it better myself. Didn't know the Lich was used in the Human-Covenant war though?
TGLT BL4cK wrote:
There are manufacturers on Qikost, Sanghelios, Suban, Malurok, Hesduros, Venezia, Eayn, Whispering trees and other colonies that continue to create new and either better or cheeper tech and sell it.
Some manufacturers are the armouries of the Merchants of Qikost, Kolaar Manufactorum, Maleesh bazaar, Lodam armoury, Iruiru armoury, Achoem weapons, Malurok armoury, and many more.

ONI catalogues weapons based on when they were encountered. That doesn't always mean that the products are older or younger basedbon when they were seen. The Plasma launcher for instance has been around since the Dawnbof the Covenant empire and the plasma rifle has not changed much in the past 500 years. T-27 beam rifle isn't weaker than the T-50 one. Covie weapon appearance often is a product of aesthetic taste and to the Covenant all the beam rifle variants are catalogued by internal machinery rather than appearance. Also the Lich was catalogued in 2556 but was there during the war. Post war the new wraith is easier to manufacture and less costly to loose but there are hundreds of wraith variants catalogued by the UNSC which by Sangheili standards are the same. The Wraith Ultra is also a significantly upgraded Wraith tank and the new banshees from Hesduros have energy shields. Why? Because the Sangheili have a ton of military industries, weapon artisans and engineers that are capable of designing new technology. That simple.
Couldn't have said it better myself. Didn't know the Lich was used in the Human-Covenant war though?
It's mentioned in the Halo 4 strategy guide. Most wartime encounters with the Lich left no human survivors. That's why it wasn't catalogued until after the war.
TGLT BL4cK wrote:
There are manufacturers on Qikost, Sanghelios, Suban, Malurok, Hesduros, Venezia, Eayn, Whispering trees and other colonies that continue to create new and either better or cheeper tech and sell it.
Some manufacturers are the armouries of the Merchants of Qikost, Kolaar Manufactorum, Maleesh bazaar, Lodam armoury, Iruiru armoury, Achoem weapons, Malurok armoury, and many more.

ONI catalogues weapons based on when they were encountered. That doesn't always mean that the products are older or younger basedbon when they were seen. The Plasma launcher for instance has been around since the Dawnbof the Covenant empire and the plasma rifle has not changed much in the past 500 years. T-27 beam rifle isn't weaker than the T-50 one. Covie weapon appearance often is a product of aesthetic taste and to the Covenant all the beam rifle variants are catalogued by internal machinery rather than appearance. Also the Lich was catalogued in 2556 but was there during the war. Post war the new wraith is easier to manufacture and less costly to loose but there are hundreds of wraith variants catalogued by the UNSC which by Sangheili standards are the same. The Wraith Ultra is also a significantly upgraded Wraith tank and the new banshees from Hesduros have energy shields. Why? Because the Sangheili have a ton of military industries, weapon artisans and engineers that are capable of designing new technology. That simple.
In addition to these comments (which I heartily endorse), the prophets placed hard limits on where the client species research could go - the prophets were to be the source of knowledge. Thus creativity on behalf the client species, and Sangheli in particular, was constrained. Within that, there would be various tinkerers, engineers and scientists within those groups who would have researched irrespective of the limits, just because they could. With the limits removed, all the stuff that may have got to prototype before being shelved can be pulled out.
Further, given the state of warfare (both civil and interspecies), there is an imperative to test and deploy better technology (better having many contexts, including simply cheaper to produce for the same output). Going back to World War II, you don't have to look too hard to find how technology massively advanced with all the parties involved - starting with propeller driven planes, and all but having jet planes by the end, the development of rocket technology, the whole nuclear weapons deal (two solutions), radar, the evolution of tanks, etcetera. With similar drivers, there would be similar outcomes. The various client species have a history of technology development prior to being part of the covenant, so it should be a case of rediscovering talents, rather than having to develop from a zero base (the brutes may be a little more challenged in this area).
Basically all those cool ideas and obvious improvements that the prophets forbid because reasons can be applied