See, I'd be just as outraged then if Anders was suddenly Scottish or even Eastern European
Being "just as outraged" is exactly the problem because these two cases are not equivalent, one is decidedly worse than the other.
Quote:Contracts - covering voice acting - are much more difficult to maintain than a visual appearance, I would imagine. Namely in that it's not impossible at all - and infact, takes unnecessary effort - to change the ethnicity of a character. And yes, this is one of the issues with this casting here, obviously. Characters should be left as they are, and if representation is truly an issue (which it never was) new characters should be introduced. This is absolutely not impossible to do, as we've seen with characters like Anders, Tanaka, Locke, Palmer, and the new "Dustin Echoes".
Oh I'm glad we able acknowledge real life factors when making creative decisions. So are we also going to acknowledge that the "unnecessary effort" can be as benign as having open casting call and liking these particular actors? Somehow I doubt it.
P.S. Stating "representation was never an issue" doesn't inherently make it so.
Then it is, by definition, a pointless change. There is no conceivable rhyme or reason to it, aside from pandering. Playing with a character - yes, even their ethnicity which you repeatedly drum out "isn't important" - like they're so much putty is careless, and when a stunt like this is pulled for no reason whatsoever, it does not bode well for future fast-and-loose handlings of the canon.
Quote:There isn't a "point",
"There is no conceivable rhyme or reason to it, aside from pandering" or they just really liked the actors, but who am I kidding, that has never entered your mind.
I've never said "ethnicity isn't important", only that it isn't necessarily a defining feature with every character. Playing fast-and-loose with the canon has been the default state of the franchise from day one.
No, this isn't something to where having a "point" comes into play. That's simply the character design. The point of my argument, however, is that the character as designed - and established in no less than 17 articles of canonical representation (not counting novels, which likely give physical description) - should not be so flippantly altered when it serves no purpose, point, or benefit to the character. Leave the characters as they were designed and created, it is not that difficult.
Quote:Now then please tell me what the "point" was for making these two characters white in the first place?
First come first being the sole
deciding factor for how someone or something is portrayed is one needlessly restrictive and two wholly ignores the context of how they came to be in the first place. As nice as it would be if biases, unconscious or not, was never a factor in life and everything was based on merit, that simply isn't the case.
No, it's really not. I think you just don't want to make the comparison because it's detrimental to your case. Especially now that you're singing a different tune; where before the character of Jacob Keyes isn't contingent on his ethnicity but of course Johnson is absolutely reliant on being black because he was based off Gunnery Sergeant Al Apone, who is also black. Can't change that, of course.
Quote:Apparently I have to tell each of you individually that Johnson is a bad comparison.
I feel my tune has been pretty consistent. Two things that look similar on the surface are not necessarily the same. Context matters, a blanket policy is not appropriate when you factor in real life considerations like bias during the process of creating a new character. Bringing up "but what if they made Johnson white" is the most predicable response I could have imagined even before I clicked on the thread. It is not the strong argument you all seem to think it, and it always reads as covering your behind for the moment when folks begin to question why you are so dis-proportionally upset about casting minority actors. Especially when you seem perfectly willing to make exceptions everywhere else.
It isn't hypocritical to say that Johnson is tied to his ethnicity when he was originally a reference to a specific actor's take on a specific character. I also still stand by the statement that it is far more questionable to recast historically underrepresented minorities with white characters than the other way around.
It absolutely is. Because the Halo Universe is large enough and accomodating enough to where white Characters don't need to be recast in an ethnic shift. Underrepresented minorities can absolutely be added to the Mythos - and they have been - without altering characters that are. It is unnecessary to do so when there is ample room for addition, rather than assimilation.
Quote:Recasting underrepresented minority characters is simply not equivalent to to recasting white characters
The Halo universe absolutely is large enough to accommodate everyone, but the Halo universe doesn't come fully formed out of a magical wellspring, it is made by imperfect human beings who are not always great at doing the accommodating. New characters are great, but sometimes it is just more straightforward recast a character when it is appropriate, which isn't all the time.
The thing is that its all moot, because the ethnicity of both Keyes' has not as of yet been retconned. Their physical appearance may be incongruous with their previous portrayals, something which has happened constantly within the Halo franchise, but it will not invalidate what came before any more than any other inconsistency you seem to tolerate.