From everything onward, I'm strictly referring to the 199999-continuity, otherwise known as the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Captain America from the comics is a completely different beast.
Though , I'm unsure of what exactly all the benefits are to Rodgers' serum , aside from the basic speed , strength, agility , durability , and size boost.The super soldier serum brought him to the absolute epitome of human capability.
That's quite the understatement. He's as peak human as Clark Kent is an all-american farm boy.
It also gives him a light healing factor. He also doesn't experience fatigue; the serum prevents buildup of lactic acid in his muscles, so he has an excess of endurance compared to normal people.Better
If you compare the stats of strength and speed of Cap to a Spartan II like John-117, then you see that Cap is better.
? This man is pushing a fifty-two ton Liebherr PR 764 across a football field in mere seconds, something no Spartan, armor or otherwise, would be capable of replicating
. If Spartan IV's are demi-gods and Spartan-IIs are gods, then Captain America is the singular collective will of an entire pantheon of titans.
Cap's top speed is recorded at 49 mph; Kelly, the fastest Spartan, clocked in at 38.5 mph (John once clocked in at 65.2 mph but the effort tore his Achilles tendon). Spartan II strength after augmentation is averaged at being able to lift 3x their body weight. John's weight without armor was 290 lbs, so he could lift 870 lbs unarmored, theoretically. Cap has been recorded as bench-pressing 1200 lbs.
Considering that he can do things like pull back a helicopter from a mechanically disadvantageous position
(resistance easily in excess of the weight you mentioned for the classic 1100lbs bench press
from vintage comics), or shatter the reinforced concrete pillars of an overpass with thrown objects
, I disagree.
You're talking about Spartans augmentations just after 14. In the fall of reach it's stated they'll get better as they adjust. 38.5mph was Kelly's top speed just after augmentations she should be faster by now.
As far as I'm concerned, you don't get to pick what is or isn't canon:
"Among all active S-II personnel, Kelly maintains the quickest reflexes and is easily the fastest recorded Spartan, capable of running at speeds in excess of 65kph within current MJOLNIR GEN2 systems. This impressive ability earned her the pet name of “Rabbit” among other Spartans. However, it has also placed her into specific roles with increased danger, including diversionary and ingress activities that could not be accomplished outside of her extraordinary speed.
You might try to point out that the "excess" portion of the characteristic's description, but what can you really argue? That she can safely
sprint five kilometers faster then 65kph? Acceleration and the ability to maintain a given speed is more important in current armor systems then raw physical might or speed - anatomically, speaking there are hard limits that even supersoldiers can't exceed without breaking themselves - as is the case here. I especially don't expect Spartan-IVs to exceed Kelly's performance, as you'll see below.
Commander plamer an adult Spartan in halo initiation stated she could outrun a horse (30-50mph) after receiving the augmentations.
No, she didn't. She stated that her heart muscles underwent an augmentation procedure that could assist her in achieving the speeds necessary to outrun a horse. Considering that the point of the augmentation procedure is to prepare a Spartan candidate for the rigorous and physically demanding activity of utilizing
power-assisted armor (where all movements are amplified - and thus such high-performance is necessary), it would be rational to connect her comment about the augmentation results to amplifying equipment that relies on a subject capable of handling the stress.
By the way, a comparison to the maximum and
short speeds of a quarter horse isn't worthwhile here, if you were to pick any well-fed, normal horse (as was the case here) - you'd be looking at a top galloping speed of approximately 25-30mph.
Cap's top speed isn't 49mph it's been contradicted by marvel guides. His top speed is 30mph(see prior post).
Pretty sure even MCU Captain America has outpaced that observation.
In the comics, fans assumed he could reach 49mph base of the fact he stated could run a mile over a minute in a comic, even though the comic never specifically stated how much over a minute.
Does it really matter? The difference is minuscule (whether it be 55 or 60mph
) and is still beyond what a Spartan can safely do.
People just exaggerate the feat and highball it.
As if you haven't already with a Spartan's feats?
3x body lifting capacity was just after the augmentation as well. Chief or any Spartan would be stronger by now. Spartans IIs and IIIs are now considered superhuman according to the Last Light halo novel, while cap is only peak human.
Haha, thats funny, you're reverting to petty arguments at this point - the conditional usage of loose definitions is the extent of your argument? Not all Peak Humans are on the same weight class or of equal standing (especially in comic books of all things), just ask Luke Cage, or any other Peak Human Avenger - nor do they confine to specific limits.
Also in the halo novels chief was capable of easily flipping warthogs the Mark V so he shouldn't be capable of do so if 870Ibs is his limit especially if the Mark V doubles strength. For this feat to be plausible chief would need to be able to lift 1.75 tons without the suit, but we're forgetting he did it without struggling so this is still a minimum.
What? Doesn't the Mark V "triple the strength" of the user, with doubling reserved for the Mark IV. Second, 117 isn't lifting the Warthog into the air, it remains on the ground in both scenes, which easily drops the strength requirements. That 870lbs approximate can still be accurate under all circumstances - especially when the Cole Protocol revealed that picking up a 400lbs mongoose for an extended period of time was definitely pushing it for an S-II in a Mark IV.
"The Master Chief took the AI’s advice and decided to ride rather than walk. The Warthog that had been tucked under the dropship’s belly had come loose during the final moments of flight, hit the ground, and flipped over. He approached the vehicle, reached upward, got a good purchase, and pulled. Metal creaked as the ’Hog swayed, tilted in the Spartan’s direction, and started to fall. He stepped back, waited for the inevitable bounce, and climbed up behind the wheel. After a quick check to ensure that the LRV was still operable, he was off.
He uses the weight of his armor to pull a warthog back on its wheels - some strength was necessary, but physics did most of the work here.
"The Spartan grabbed hold of the Warthog’s bumper, then used his armor’s strength enhancements to flip it back onto its tires.
You don't need to lift a vehicle into the air to flip it over, impressive but hardly contradictory to what's already been established, especially if you're using more then just your arms to do the work.