I don't see how because the majority of fans do not explore the expanded material that their characters are now 'discounted'. My original issue was how you believed every 343 character was a joke. But clearly the expanded lore demonstrates otherwise. So it seems your are picking and choosing what does and does not count as a 343 character to further support your conclusion. I'm not saying it's an excuse by any means.- but my point is you can't outright discard every character 343 has ever written as a joke because that is just not true.
Buck is only likeable because of ODST and Nathon Fillion’s superb acting. Boring as hell is totally unlikeable. If I don’t find someone even slightly interesting, why would I like them.
I disagree. He demonstrates particularly in Spartan Ops his adept ability to manipulate situations to play into his favor. For example allowing the UNSC to take the Forerunner artifact onto Infinity in an attempt to destroy it. And yes mostly when he is featured in games he will come across as quite generic outside of that- but this is because he is rarely the focus, and when he is, its only for very brief periods of time. So because of this, any substantial developments of his character have been done so through other media. That being said, i'm not sure why you are discarding characters from outside of the games. After all, they are still all 343's characters. And from Halo 5's squad characters I wouldn't say all are unlikable- most of them boring as hell, sure, but I wouldn't say for one moment that I dislike all of them; Buck for example.
He’s such a generic bad guy. Deep voice, no personality outside of the novels. And Lasky is okay, all the others are dull imo.
Who cares. He was a joke like every other character 343 has thought of.How is he a joke exactly? his death was underwhelming sure- but his actual character was pretty interesting imo. Also I think that is pretty unfair to label all characters they have created as a joke. I can think of a plethora of characters 343 have made that are more interesting than the ones from the bungie era.
All the characters from each team in Halo 5 are totally unlikeable.
Characters having good stories behind them outside of the video game doesn’t matter. The vast majority of people don’t read the novels and don’t care to. If 343i had good writers, they’d be able to create an interesting character in the video game. Relying on outside media isn’t an excuse for horrible writing.
The expanded lore isn't written by the same people who write the games.
And I think it is true. Bungie weren't the greatest story tellers in the world, in-fact they were pretty average if not worse (not that I'm an expert or anything, this is just my pedestrian opinion, I've never written for anything), but they knew how to be effective. I don't think 343i does to quite that extent. The cutscenes are fantastically well done, but whereas I care for Cortana, Sgt. Johnson, the ODST's, Noble Team, hell even the marines were incredibly memorable etc. I can't even recall anyone from Halo 4 besides Chief, Cortana, the old angry dude, Lasky and Palmer. Only 2 of which I like, Lasky and Chief. And one of which (Lasky) I can't even recall his character arch or what he does in the game, and one of which speaks very little and is from the previous Bungie games. That's a big issue.
Sorry to have a discussion and end it so abruptly but I'm not all that interested in the series anyway in terms of story so this conversation is lost on me. I appreciate that we could have differing opinions and still have a friendly conversation, though.