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according to halo, over the time in course of man ,, future space driven engines were made to travel the galaxies. a shaw fukashima engine.. in our real lives in order for such a catastrophic developent in our futures in space would also require a engine that can allow reusable energy source. and world alliances... will the future of our own space tech. be as good as that of halo? wil it ever be possible do you think.
As long as war persists among man, no. We will not be able to evolve technologically until we evolve spiritually, and seek to put our minds towards human progress beyond earth, rather than how to kill each other better or how to sell a newer iPhone.
lemon cup wrote:
As long as war persists among man, no. We will not be able to evolve technologically until we evolve spiritually, and seek to put our minds towards human progress beyond earth, rather than how to kill each other better or how to sell a newer iPhone.
It is exactly those reasons that we will see commercial space travel in our life times. Humanity doesn't need spirtuality to reach the stars...just the desire to make money off of it.
lemon cup wrote:
As long as war persists among man, no. We will not be able to evolve technologically until we evolve spiritually, and seek to put our minds towards human progress beyond earth, rather than how to kill each other better or how to sell a newer iPhone.

It is exactly those reasons that we will see commercial space travel in our life times. Humanity doesn't need spirtuality to reach the stars...just the desire to make money off of it.
maybe spirituality was the wrong word, but the desire to attain something besides war and money. And personally I don't believe commercialism alone will lead to FTL. The current goal of those interested in expanding commercial "space travel" is investing in those damn low-altitude orbiters, like the Virgin Galactic one that crashed recently, get a few rich snobs in it, and give them the whole low-gravity "omg we're in outer space" treatment, then land and let them go about their lives thinking they are astronauts. That's where the money's at, and probably where it will stay in my opinion.
lemon cup wrote:
As long as war persists among man, no. We will not be able to evolve technologically until we evolve spiritually, and seek to put our minds towards human progress beyond earth, rather than how to kill each other better or how to sell a newer iPhone.
People are always going to fight in one way or another, yet somehow mankind has developed civilization in spite of violence. We can develop space travel despite our violent tendencies.
I think that with the resources it would take, it would be near impossible for Earth to become a class two planet any time soon (This scale is based on a Ukranian? theoretical physicist who said that there are four/five stages to a species mastery (1-of the home planet (AKA fusion and fission technology) 2- of the solar system (dyson ring), 3 - of the galaxy (have multiple worlds inhabited, have dyson rings and other power providing sources throughout the star systems, and conquer or be at peace with any and all possible alien species in the galaxy (should they exist), 4- same thing but with the universe, 5- same thing, but with every universe, should there be more than one).

To clarify more: We have "mastered" fusion technology, but are from from masterful with fission. Fusion basically is when one or two elements break down releasing helium and radiation. This is the type used in nuclear bombs and power plants. (Fusion is much more stable). Fission sees the breakdown of an elements rapidly, producing two very heavy, still radioactive, elements, and some radiation, and then they do the same thing. Do to it be unstable, almost impossible to achieve on earth due to the high temperatures, and how quickly it burns out, it has not been mastered by any means. Millions of dollars have gone into trying to create a fissionable power source, and all have failed. Cold fission is the same thing, but is done at room temperature. There has only been one alleged success of cold fission. Beyond that, there has been no reliable proof it can be done on earth.

A dyson ring is basically a giant halo around a sun. A theoretical physicist (dyson) thought you could surround a star completely with solar panels to collect power from them, and then transfer them back to earth. That's a dyson sphere. Due to the tremendous amount of gold, cadmium (which is easier to get) and other materials, along with costs, and blocking out about 90-98% of the light, a dyson ring was theorized that blocked much less light, and would cost less to produce. Currently with solar panels, the panels turn about 5% of the rays that hit the panel into usable power (I believe AC for traveling). Then the power travels. A lot more of the energy is lost in the traveling. Traveling hundreds of miles will lose all of the power in the copper wires used. So while we may be able to build large enough solar plants to sustain our planet, we cannot even deliver the power to our cities effectively. On top of that, most basic appliances use DC, so the power must be converted, again, which wastes more energy, Now try getting that power to travel several hundred thousand miles to us. (Please note that I tried to be as accurate as possible with the numbers, my father works in the solar industry, so they come from him).

Now onto the biggest part of why we can't attain stage 3. Intragalactic travel is implausible for the time being. As far as we know, nothing can travel faster than the speed of light, which is 299,792,458m/s. I'll give proof. E=mc^2. Energy is equal to mass times the constant speed squared. I can hear people saying now that "everybody knows that". Well, think about it for a second and think back to algebra one. How do we get to c? We divide E by m and take the square root. so the new equation is something more like c=(Square root)E/m. Does anyone else see the problem? As the mass increases or decreases, the amount of energy needed to get to the speed of light exponentially changes. That doesn't sound like a problem, after all, a spaceship is a solid mass. Well it wouldn't be if it wasn't for all of the factors involved that change the mass. There's the fuel, the people, the food, luggage, etc. All of these little things change the overall mass and the energy needed. On top of that, there's another theory that makes this impossible. (I believe it's called the Mass Effect Theory, hence the name of the game series) that states that as matter gets closer to the speed of light, it will gain mass. Should that be true, you need almost an infinite amount of energy to get what was one gram to travel at the speed of light. That's why matter cannot travel at the speed of light. Only waves and light can. (I say light separately because it acts like both a wave and a particle).

The more realistic option for intragalactic travel (in my opinion) is using wormholes. Yes they exist. They exist on a subatomic level, I believe they appear most often when an electron jumps between levels. Obviously we can't get through a wormhole that size, so it'd have to be inflated. The thing about wormholes is that they are pretty random. Though jumping through an inflated wormhole is most likely the best option, I don't know of anyway to control where you'd end up. Of course the power required for that type of travel would be tremendous, which is why you'd need the first two stages to be conquered.

If you think about what I've just said, even the forerunners are only a stage 3 civilization. How can humanity hope to achieve that, when we can't even stop dropping bombs on each other for having a different religious belief? So, no, I don't believe that we'll ever be able to travel among the stars. I'd honestly be surprised if we manage to control fissionable power before we blow ourselves up.
sigma u have fusion and fission mixed up, but your facts are pretty solid. and everything in the halo lore uses wormholes, no one here is saying we can travel at FTL speeds conventionally. where i can tell u right now that you are wrong is that war accelerates technology, and it always has. space travel may not be exactly created by war, but i guarantee you that it will be funded by it. competition is what drives us as a species, and that will never change.
according to halo, over the time in course of man ,, future space driven engines were made to travel the galaxies. a shaw fukashima engine.. in our real lives in order for such a catastrophic developent in our futures in space would also require a engine that can allow reusable energy source. and world alliances... will the future of our own space tech. be as good as that of halo? wil it ever be possible do you think.
I just want to note for your benefit that it is called a Shaw-Fujikawa Translight Engine, not a Shaw Fukashima Engine.
sigma u have fusion and fission mixed up, but your facts are pretty solid. and everything in the halo lore uses wormholes, no one here is saying we can travel at FTL speeds conventionally. where i can tell u right now that you are wrong is that war accelerates technology, and it always has. space travel may not be exactly created by war, but i guarantee you that it will be funded by it. competition is what drives us as a species, and that will never change.
Did I mix up Fusion and Fission? Damn. Sorry, been a couple of years since I studied Nuclear Chemistry. And perhaps you are right (about the war accelerates technology).
dude527 wrote:
according to halo, over the time in course of man ,, future space driven engines were made to travel the galaxies. a shaw fukashima engine.. in our real lives in order for such a catastrophic developent in our futures in space would also require a engine that can allow reusable energy source. and world alliances... will the future of our own space tech. be as good as that of halo? wil it ever be possible do you think.

I just want to note for your benefit that it is called a Shaw-Fujikawa Translight Engine, not a Shaw Fukashima Engine.
What I find funny is that my mind has read it as Fujikawa every time I've glanced at this thread.
A small selection of useful contemporary resources related to the topic of superluminal transit:

NASA Glenn Research Center - Warp Drive, When?
Minimai, Yoshinari (2013) Space Drive Propulsion Principles from the Aspect of Cosmology Journal of Earth Science and Engineering 3: 379-392
Murad, P.A. (2005) Warp-Drives. The Dreams and Realities Part I: A Problem of Statement and Insights STAIF-2005.
Murad, P.A. (2005) Warp-Drives: The Dreams and Realities Part II: Potential Solutions STAIF-2005.
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A small selection of useful contemporary resources related to the topic of superluminal transit:

NASA Glenn Research Center - Warp Drive, When?
Minimai, Yoshinari (2013) Space Drive Propulsion Principles from the Aspect of Cosmology Journal of Earth Science and Engineering 3: 379-392
Murad, P.A. (2005) Warp-Drives. The Dreams and Realities Part I: A Problem of Statement and Insights STAIF-2005.
Murad, P.A. (2005) Warp-Drives: The Dreams and Realities Part II: Potential Solutions STAIF-2005.
Cool! Catalog bearing contemporary stuff!
arctheismaster is right war accelerates us it might not be for the right reason but it does, plastic lots of medicines and a bunch other thing were made because of war. Humanity wants to kill each other and find every possible way to kill each other, we wanted a strong and cheap material we made plastic, they wanted less deaths in wars, they advanced medicine. It's a horrible truth but it is the truth. War might as well be the reason we make interstellar space travel possible, and it also might save our lives. If we do encounter a aggressive alien species our technology might be 2:1 for weapons to normal technology.
Maaaaybe. There's a lot of cool research and theories out there, but as long as we keep fighting each other and investing in war, probably won't happen.
I sure hope so! I want to be apart of that bright future!
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A small selection of useful contemporary resources related to the topic of superluminal transit:
NASA Glenn Research Center - Warp Drive, When?
Minimai, Yoshinari (2013) Space Drive Propulsion Principles from the Aspect of Cosmology Journal of Earth Science and Engineering 3: 379-392
Murad, P.A. (2005) Warp-Drives. The Dreams and Realities Part I: A Problem of Statement and Insights STAIF-2005.
Murad, P.A. (2005) Warp-Drives: The Dreams and Realities Part II: Potential Solutions STAIF-2005.
No EM-Drive reference?
Catalog, I am disappoint.
Good to know you're still acti-

Wait.
This is all the way from 2014.
Apologies.
In reality it is doubtful we are going to become a spacefaring species, we are going to kill ourselves before anything is implemented. Even then if we develop culturally enough to get to that point space travel will be astronomically different from Star Wars, Trek, or Halo.
What's a Shaw-Fukashima engine?

I know what a Shaw-Fujikawa engine is, but I've never heard of the Shaw Fukashima.
lemon cup wrote:
As long as war persists among man, no. We will not be able to evolve technologically until we evolve spiritually, and seek to put our minds towards human progress beyond earth, rather than how to kill each other better or how to sell a newer iPhone.
So much scientific progress has come in the midst of war and as a result of warfare research, while pretty much everything else was a result of capitalism. Your statement is kind of silly.

(Although in terms of space travel, the only big space travel programs were government funded until recently, but there's no reason it HAS to stay that way moving forward. It just needs to be profitable.)
Humans are greedy.
If there is an opportunity to make money out of somthing, someone will invent it. Hail capitalism!

Also, war breeds inovation in technology. After the war, that technlogy can be put to use for the betterment of civilisation.
If some kind of warpdrive space craft is invented, chances are the militarty thought it up as a way to get mas destruction from A to B before the enemy could do the same from B to A.
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