My point about the artistic freedom is that Halo Legends is full of anime style art, and if you have watched anime you would know that a lot of scenes are exaggerated. While Halo Legends, for the most part, doesn't seem to do this there is a lot of artistic freedom that is used in many of the stories such as character design. In the Babysitter so many characters have anime hair, which in a military setting would never happen.Snockooz wrote:Doesn’t matter if they calc it. One thing about animations is, assuming the animator is good at their job, it will be the most accurate depiction of what the animator wanted to show. In contrast with live action, there is only some much you can do with real people and a camera(which is why i will never take the MC vs Locke fight as canon for their abilities). When it comes to inconsistencies either A. you just take the most recent Feat, B. you use the feat that is the most consistent C. a combination of both. or D. establish different tiers for the different feats(this one only really works in vs battles).EvilKeny28 wrote:What I meant about the trailer is that the animators didn't calculate his speed to be sure what they were doing is canon. Animators almost never check their work in terms of consistency in any kind of media, which is my I often disregard fan calculations especially when they involve a subject already littered with inconsistencies.Snockooz wrote:When come to showings like the locke trailer which was made purely to show off the new spartan abilities we can it can.EvilKeny28 wrote:I am always very suspicious of fan made calculations because most of the time the animators don't really care about the speed of the Spartan.
I agree with the Tank feat being at best a hyperbole and at worst non canon.
As for Cal's feat, while impressive, you have to remember that the Brute did not use all of his strength in the swing as evidenced by him forcing Cal away right after.
Mendez's statement is flawed and should not really be used to calculate adult Spartan strength. The problem comes from the fact that he says their weight is almost twice the norm and yet Chief only weighs 130 kg. So when you calculate we get 390 kg lift which is something a normal human can do.
Watch it again and pay close attention to what he does to force her off. He angles his swing so it is no long pointed downward and is instead more of a batting swing which push her off her feet. The only reason he would do this is so she would no longer have the ground as leverage. He wasnt able to push her down but he could lift her off the ground. This tells me that he couldnt beat her in terms of raw stength.
Yeah i never understood that. There are football player that way more and the arn't 6f 10in, that dont have alloy plated bones, and they dont have muscles twice a dense as normal.
What you have to understand is that I do believe that Locke is capable of doing what he did in trailer as Osiris demonstrated similar capabilities in Halo 5 opening cutsene. What I disagree with however, is using a calculation and treating it as fact (not referring to you) when there is no canon source that confirms it. Animation is not always canon due to artistic freedom. For example the fight between Chief and Locke was lore breaking from an animation standpoint as it was far too slow.
So what if he swung like a baseball bat? He still overpowered her, knocked her off her feet and pushed her several feet away. In Canon brutes are much stronger than Spartans in Mark 4 and 5. Halo First Strike, Halo Ghost of Onyx, Halo Wars 2 all demonstrate this. Halo Legends has a lot of artistic freedom and much of it has anime-like qualities. The only time we have seen Spartans being superior to brutes in CQC is in Halo: Thursday War when Naomi in mark 7 kills a brute with a single uppercut, and in Halo Wars 2 when Jerome in Mark 4 Gen 2 hybrid takes on several brutes with hammers in close combat.
Master Chief should weigh close to 200 kg. He is 6 ft 10, has enlarged muscles and bones, denser muscles and ceramic bone coating. Apparently his weigh used to be 180 kg before it was retconned to 130 kg.
180 x 3= 540 kg. The current record today is 500 kg, so this would make John stronger than the strongest man alive without training to be a heavyweighter himself.
“Animation is not always canon due to artistic freedom” what artistic freedom? When 343 was Making The Spartan locke armor trailer the entire point was to show off Spartan abilities and what they can do. With Halo legend 343 was overseeing the entire production the only Artistic freedom was in the art style. When a studio was hired to animate something they show the people who hired them many many early drafters and of the animation. This is you insure the employer’s vision and the final animation are as close to the same as possible.
Look at it this ways. Say you have dumbbell that weighs 40 pounds. You place it on the ground standing it upright. If you put your hand on it and tried to force it down neither you nor I would ever be able to bend it downward. However we are both able picking it up and we could both throw it or knock it over. The same thing is happening in this scene. A Spartan only weighs about 1000lb a weight brutes have consistently shown being able to lift. When the brute is trying to force the spartan down she has the ground beneath her supporting her. The brute doesn’t have the strength to force her down or force her into the ground. There for the brutes only option out of this scenario is to throw her something she cant counter with superior strength alone. She had nothing holdin her to the ground and the brute is far to large and heavy for her to counter with her own weight. If for instance They were in a metal room and the Mark 4 had the magnetic boots that gen 2 has the brute would never have “overpowered her” has he can not beat her in raw strength.
This is a moot point though, as if we are talking about consistency then Cal's feat is not consistant with other showings of brutes overpowering Spartans such as Halo First Strike, Halo Ghost of Onyx, Halo Wars 2, Halo Retribution.
Halo the Babysiter is the only material in which a Spartan (in Mark 4) is able to match a brute in terms of strength, and even then the scene still implies that the brute is stronger but that the Spartan is faster and more skilled.