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Currently under review due to multiple sources of authority.
Multiple.... hmmmm.
Iso? *fingers crossed*
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Hopefully, if Catalog made a mistake, he'll come here and address it. I see how the speech can work in the future and in the past, though both are stretches (to varying degrees). It would be nice to settle this matter once and for all.
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Statement was not in error. However, Catalog does note difficulty in interpreting Shadow-of-Sundered-Star's commentary. Currently under review due to multiple sources of authority.
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Maybe we are thinking about this in the wrong way. I have trouble rationalizing this speech to occur at times very close to the Halo firing (which is the specific time frame most are arguing for or against compared to post-Halo 4), but maybe the speech was set further in the past - prior to the Ecumene Council being destroyed, prior to the Flood absolutely stomping the Forerunners around the galaxy.

I'd like Catalog to explain the exact time & location of this speech, because I'm starting to think that it occurred when the Ecumene Council sentenced the Ur-Didact to his exile in the Cryptum.

In this hour of victory, we taste only defeat. I ask: why?
We are forerunners, guardians of all that exists. The roots of the galaxy have grown deep under our careful tending, were there is life the wisdom of our countless generations has saturated the soil, our strength is a luminous sun towards which all intelligence blossoms, and the impervious shelter, beneath which it has prospered.
I stand before you, accused of the sin of ensuring forerunner ascendancy, of attempting to save us from this fate where we are forced to...recede.


Take this in context immediately following the Human-Forerunner war, when the political fights were going on between Warrior-Servants and Builders.

It was revealed to the Forerunners that humanity had been fighting on two fronts - against the Flood. The Forerunners thus engaged in a lengthy debate how to counter a possible re-emerging Flood threat. The Ur-Didact wanted to store Humanity's memories period (similar to Forthenco's was). However, de-evolved human populations were permitted mostly because they were perceived to have found a biological 'cure' against the Flood, and thus live human populations were needed to study this.
Around the same time, the Lifeworkers (especially the Librarian), began to come to the conclusion that Humanity was expanding throughout the galaxy and acting as caretakers - upholding the Mantle.

Additionally, the Ur-Didact and the warrior rate lost a huge political battle in endorsing a Shield-world based strategy to combat the Flood; the Builders, with their massive Halo projects, usurped power, and most warrior-servants ended up builder-security. His plan abandoned and he was forced into exile (Cryptum).

Rather than supporting an offensive plan, to eliminate a biological human presence (who in the Ur-Didact's eyes were contesting the Mantle and thus Forerunner ascendancy) and to effectively contain the Flood (Shield World strategy), the Builders won, creating the galaxy-wide equivalent nuclear option (the Halos), and human populations continued to exist and be supported, though de-evolved. I believe the original Halo plans were intended to be used for tactical pulses only, but they still understood that it killed all organic life - which is surely something that the Ur-Didact believed to run against the Mantle and against Forerunner ascendancy to the Mantle.

Humanity stands as the greatest threat in the galaxy. Refusing to eradicate them is a fool's gambit. We squander eons in the darkness, while they seize our triumphs for their own. The Mantle of Responsibility, for all things, belongs to Forerunners alone.

Similar themes to what I posited above. Rather than having all human's personalities/memories archived, humans survived. Ur-Didact is now sentenced to exile in a Cryptum, and his plans disbanded. The second line could be referring to the Ur-Didact's perception that Humanity had attempted to seize the Forerunner's triumphs (upholding the Mantle; supremacy) for their own, and the darkness was the prolonged Human-Forerunner war, and the ensuing fallout (both logistical from losses of colonies, people, resources; and political, from the upcoming waste of time that he perceives the Builder plans to be). Thus, present tense, because he views the actions the Forerunners are taking against the Flood to be incorrect and against their ability to uphold the Mantle that was just contested by Humanity.

Think of my acts as you will, but do not doubt the reality: the reclamation has already begun, and we are hopeless to stop it.

This quote, stated post-Halo 4, only makes sense if the reclamation is occurring by Humanity.
Possible ways it can be interpreted, if stated immediately after Human-Forerunner wars, but prior to the Ur-Didact's Cryptum?
Forerunners trying to reclaim the Mantle after it was contested by Humanity? - meh, because "hopeless to stop it" really doesn't fit in this syntax.
Humanity - doesn't fit at all following the Forerunner victory against humans.
But what about the Precursors/Flood? For the Ur-Didact to even imply that the Flood would soon contest the Forerunners by reclamation, he would have to know that THEY were actually the Precursors. Indeed, the Ur-Didact met the Primordial at the end of the Human-Forerunner war, and it took thousands of years following the end of the war for him to finally be ruled against.

So this last sentence, in combination with the above, is a really bitter narrative by the Ur-Didact - someone who won a massive war against Humanity, only to realize they would face an even bigger threat (the Flood); whose plans to uphold the Mantle and guarantee Forerunner ascendancy was being ignored and cast away for plans that went against the Mantle, and would further not be adequate to protect against the Flood, who only he understands - the Flood are reclaiming their place of dominance in the galaxy, and the Forerunners, led by the ignorant Builder rate, are hopeless to stop it.

Thoughts on this?

Lastly, please don't chastise me for blindly trying to fit the narrative to what I want. Prior to Catalog's statement, I had assumed that Didact's speech at the end of Halo 4 was actually set within the Halo universe post Halo 4.
I'm merely trying to think a little differently now and play devil's advocate in the hopes that we might find a new way to re-interpret the Ur-Didact speech, or Catalog's statements, or both.
For some reason this seems to be the best possible explanation for the whole speech. All the points Didact makes can only make sense over here.

Though it can be considered to take place after Halo 4, but that would mean he has somehow been in contact with the other Forerunners. After the Halo firing is not it. Or they are judging him. Still they are not in the same physical place that is for sure.
I like to think that the Didact's speech was the last thing the Domain recorded from the Didact before his cryptum lost contact with the Domain.
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Come on... No way can he be dead. I am hoping they are just trying to throw us off. He's such a good character to just waste on one game.
Agreed.

That twitter response. . . wat. the. frack?
The Ur-Didact is just playing with his food through a cosmic telescope.
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I'll find it.

Here it is.

I'm pretty sure that he meant that someone who was wounded by a pulse grenade and falling through a slipspace portal wouldn't be "making a speech."

I highly doubt that the Didact is dead.
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I'll find it.

Here it is.

I'm pretty sure that he meant that someone who was wounded by a pulse grenade and falling through a slipspace portal wouldn't be "making a speech."

I highly doubt that the Didact is dead.
Agreed. He has to punch Chief in Escalation #9. And if he doesn't...then I'll rage at the cover artist.
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Agreed. He has to punch Chief in Escalation #9. And if he doesn't...then I'll rage at the cover artist.
Agreed.

I pretty much NEVER read comics. So far I've bought every issue of Escalations and Initiation, and have been dissapointed overall. Well Escalation was fine EXCEPT for the ridiculously misleading cover art and descriptions.

I can't imagine the Didact is dead. But IF he is, I can't imagine them just killing off his importance... There's just too much they can do with him alive. And frankly, if that's how easy it was to kill him, I'd be pretty upset (based on humans engineering Slipspace to normal space capable armor and that the Forerunner grenades weren't that powerful.)
The Didact isn't dead. He was confirmed as a recurring villain throughout the Reclaimer Saga, back in 2012. While he won't serve as the main antagonist after Halo 4, he will still be around doing bad-guy stuff.

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The Didact isn't dead. He was confirmed as a recurring villain throughout the Reclaimer Saga, back in 2012. While he won't serve as the main antagonist after Halo 4, he will still be around doing bad-guy stuff.

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Agreed. He has to punch Chief in Escalation #9. And if he doesn't...then I'll rage at the cover artist.
I've been saying it since that cover released, and I'll say it again: no way the Didact is making an appearance. I would bet my Halo collection that the cover is a reference to the final confrontation with the Didact at the end of Halo 4.
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The Didact isn't dead. He was confirmed as a recurring villain throughout the Reclaimer Saga, back in 2012. While he won't serve as the main antagonist after Halo 4, he will still be around doing bad-guy stuff.

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Which raises the question...who is the main antagonist in Halo 5?
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The Didact isn't dead. He was confirmed as a recurring villain throughout the Reclaimer Saga, back in 2012. While he won't serve as the main antagonist after Halo 4, he will still be around doing bad-guy stuff.

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Agreed. He has to punch Chief in Escalation #9. And if he doesn't...then I'll rage at the cover artist.
I've been saying it since that cover released, and I'll say it again: no way the Didact is making an appearance. I would bet my Halo collection that the cover is a reference to the final confrontation with the Didact at the end of Halo 4.
I'm giving the cover artist one last shot.
[keepalive]
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I've been saying it since that cover released, and I'll say it again: no way the Didact is making an appearance. I would bet my Halo collection that the cover is a reference to the final confrontation with the Didact at the end of Halo 4.
Note: Catalog has researched multiple Human [flea market] agents who will shortly be of use to you.
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I've been saying it since that cover released, and I'll say it again: no way the Didact is making an appearance. I would bet my Halo collection that the cover is a reference to the final confrontation with the Didact at the end of Halo 4.
Note: Catalog has researched multiple Human [flea market] agents who will shortly be of use to you.
I see what you did there Catalog.
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I've been saying it since that cover released, and I'll say it again: no way the Didact is making an appearance. I would bet my Halo collection that the cover is a reference to the final confrontation with the Didact at the end of Halo 4.
Note: Catalog has researched multiple Human [flea market] agents who will shortly be of use to you.
I see what you did there Catalog.
Did I just dun goof?
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I've been saying it since that cover released, and I'll say it again: no way the Didact is making an appearance. I would bet my Halo collection that the cover is a reference to the final confrontation with the Didact at the end of Halo 4.
Note: Catalog has researched multiple Human [flea market] agents who will shortly be of use to you.
I see what you did there Catalog.
Did I just dun goof?
It depends, how much money is all your Halo stuff worth? Based on some of your youtube videos those Fleak market agents are going to have some fun.
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I've been saying it since that cover released, and I'll say it again: no way the Didact is making an appearance. I would bet my Halo collection that the cover is a reference to the final confrontation with the Didact at the end of Halo 4.
Note: Catalog has researched multiple Human [flea market] agents who will shortly be of use to you.
I see what you did there Catalog.
Did I just dun goof?
It depends, how much money is all your Halo stuff worth? Based on some of your youtube videos those Fleak market agents are going to have some fun.
*quickly withdraws bet*
I admit, Catalog, I laughed. :)
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