The point is not that they simply took some kind of model, but that the effectiveness of the Orion model and the Spartans is compared here.TheKiltdHeathen wrote:I strongly suggest you actually listen to the Axon Clips, before trying to quote them. Jan was being sarcastic; quite clearly, with the mention of "flamethrowers attached to arms".ThreeCypress929 wrote:He was a "marines dropped with steel bones.".
As has been attempted to be explained to you, the ODST branch of the Marines was based on ORION structurally, not exactly. They replaced ORION operatives as SpecOps personnel, not as augmented super soldiers. Yet even then, the first ODST iteration was introduced in 2129, 200 years before the ORION project.
From the ODST article on Halopedia (several sources linked at the bottom):
Naturally she speaks of this satirically. Iron bones do not mean that they are made in the literal sense of iron, but it means that they are simply more durable.
And yes, I read halopedia before writing all this.
An article from the fan encyclopedia cannot serve as canonical evidence. However, we have the quote:Quote:There is not one bit in that article - meaning there is not one bit of supporting canonical evidence - that ODST are augmented. Not even slightly. I urge you to read that page; perhaps have it translated into your native language, as I'm picking up some language barriers that may be issue here. That, and not rely on non-canon or canonically questionable elements peripheral to the Halo Universe.
Quote:The Orbital Drop Shock Troopers, commonly known as ‘ODST,’ is a volunteer force within the UNSC Marine Corps, operationally managed by the Naval Special Weapons (NAVSPECWEP) division. ODST personnel are aggressively screened, and their brutal training program generally weeds out all but a handful of candidates. Early iterations of the ODST were created by the United Nations in 2129. By the Interplanetary War in 2163, the role of orbitally deployed Marine shock troopers had become a proper element of the newly founded UNSC Marine Corps. Since then, they have been a critical component of humanity’s military power, particularly during the Insurrection and the Human-Covenant War, arguably second only to the Spartan super-soldier projects.
EvilKeny28 wrote:First of all where are you getting this date of 2526?ThreeCypress929 wrote:No matter how many people say the opposite. If they do not refute several SOURCES (datapad 11, Hunt of the truth, manual halo 3: ODST, Catalog). I only need one person if he has proof or he is a halo developer.BeastSprayz wrote:Could we get a Monitor in here as this is just going around in circles. ODSTs as far as we are told from canon, Bungie, and 343i, they are not augmented. You are using Ilovebees as your only true source of “proof” but it is in a grey area and only parts of it are canon. I don’t know how many people need to tell you they are not augmented and are not “heirs” to the Orion project, the Spartan-II program may be considered an “heir” to the Orion project because Dr. Halsey used research of the Orion project combined with her own to make amends on it’s failures and thus she ultimately decided that kids were needed for the augmentations. Of course there were more extensive augmentations included in the Spartan-II program than the Orion project that resulted in deaths and washouts of the program but the ones that survived went on to achieve a lot, prime example is the Master Chief.
ODST were augmented in 2526. After Spartans 2.
However, the halo developer has essentially confirmed that ODST receive augmentation. Otherwise, another developer should his words opinion a mistake.
Quote:its a11 just math to them not with numbers but with symbols that change when you look at them because they want them to…
<< 2526 >>
>> A concession from the Majority to the Minority
Keeping the SPARTANS focused on maintaining and/or reestablishing infrastructure is no longer prudent. The ODST, although based on the ORION model, should prove to be an adequate replacement. >>
>> Although, by necessity, this redistribution of resources must be gradual, it is now the Majority opinion that redistribution is essential.
SPARTANS represent a quantifiable concentration of coherence, and to this end they must be applied to the current difficulty as a fulcrum. >>
<< A concession from the Minority to the Majority
Now, at last, the time has come for this Assembly to involve itself in the metaphysical. <<
Catalog.Quote:Which Halo developer has confirmed that they are enhanced and where did they say this?
Quote:"The Orbital Drop Shock Troopers (ODST) and various non-augmented special forces units remain active as of 2558. User Grizzlei's analysis of the their role and operational niche is accurate."
Are you sure that ODST yourself knew about their augmentation? As is clear from the manual, the development itself and the way in which it removes their biometrics was a secret.Quote:ODSTs may be a small division in comparaison to other marine personnel (which makes sense as they are the best of the best) however that does not make their numbers small. In Halo First strike Lord Hood says: "Those 'freaks' have more confirmed kills than any three divisions of ODSTs". This means that the branch is composed of much more than 3 division (one division is roughly 15000 soldiers). That's a lot of people to augment with what was just a few years ago considered experimental top secret enhancements with side effect serious enough to shut down the program using them.
So what if the ODSTs used Spartan Lasers? It wasn't a common weapon, and while it was once considered ruinously expensive the costs were eventually reduced to extraordinarily expensive. Spartans were such a tiny unit during the war, hence its logical to assume that they didn't hog all the cool toys.
You forget that SPI armor was originally designed for ODST. ODST armor is much worse, but it is best armor from standard ODSTs. Besides, Chief couldn't get a number of augmentations because of their incompatibility or because he was a child. Again, the neural interface and the biogel are official explanations for the regeneration of the Spartans and HUD. The speed of regeneration is clearly not a canon, but an element of gameplay. I would take as a canon the speed of regeneration spartan 1.1.Quote:The Manual for Halo 3:ODST doesn't claim ODSTs are enhanced. Your interpretation of this endurance mechanic wouldn't make sense anyways since Halo CE calls it health and Master Chief is not only physiologically superior to ODSTs but also wears MJOLNIR. So unless you are trying to claim that ODSTs are superior to armoured Spartans then this particular point is decided.
I agree with that.Quote:Like I said earlier, at most you have evidence to suggest that ODSTs may be augmented personnel but no direct statements that proves your claim. This my friend, is called a theory.