I never said they weren't successful, but the Spartan IIIs are not as good as the IIs, hell assuming one would make it through a tour of duty alive, the augmentations would eventually kill them.
Very incorrect. While the S-IIs are the most experienced, every program since has attempted to replicate the outcome. All available evidence points to success for both the IIIs and IVs
Quote:The Answer to your question OP is Spartan IIs, every generation since then has just been a further watered down version of the previous ones.
IVs are augmented but from what I've seen they are not much better then ODSTs.
the IIs were godlike in their ability, I've never heard of a III or IV ever punch a hole through an elite like Master Chief did.
IIs accomplished so much, and it was only BECAUSE they could be produced in small numbers that they didn't win the war.
But during the development of the IIIs it was stated that to increase the number of produce able Spartans and increase the survival rate after augmentation they had to essentially water down the process and expand the genetic selection.
IVs are even MORE watered down because IVs expect to live for the foreseeable future.
So yes, while the IIIs and IVs are successful, pound for pound in terms of enhancement and just the quality of soldiering, they are watered down compared to the Spartan IIs
Well, those points simply aren't true.
1. Expecting the IIIs to "Make it through a tour of duty alive' when they are explicitly stated to be designed as expendable and sent on suicide missions is ridiculous. The IIs would be wiped out as well if they were sent on the same missions as the IIIs (Not to mention the IIIs were highly successful in missions before their suicide missions, with no confirmed casualties. Alpha company crushed an insurrection on Mamore and then had an exemplary performance during the Battle of New Constantinople while they were only around 11-13 years old. They were highly successful in numerous campaigns and missions for nine months before their suicide missions. How would their augmentations kill them? Jun-A266 is still alive and he's 29 years old in 2553.
2. Well you're wrong there as well. We haven't seen the IVs portrayed properly yet but some of the things they accomplished on Requiem would have been nothing but a dream to ODSTs. A single team of Spartan IVs infiltrated and destroyed a CRS light cruiser from the inside. ODSTs wouldn't have been able to do that. Crimson's participation in numerous missions were also highly impressive.
3. Seems like you're a bit of a Spartan II fanboy tbh. The IIs were legendary yes, but the facts point to the assumption that the IIIs are just as good. Covenant troops during Alpha Company's suicide mission actually retreated because the IIIs were destroying them in hand to hand combat. They knew it would be suicide to engage the IIIs in hand to hand and so they retreated, and that was in SPI armour. I suppose they could easily crush an elite's skull even without Mjolnir. if given Mjolnir, it's definitely a fact that they could.
4. The IIIs accomplished a lot as well given the circumstances they were thrust into.
5. That's not true. Advancements in medicine and technology allowed them to augment the IIIs safely with the same results as the Spartan II program. As a result, they could allow for slightly less restrictive gene requirements as the children wouldn't need
to have "perfect" genes to survive the augmentation process. It wasn't watered down at all.
6. What? How's that so? Once again, advancements in medicine and technology have allowed for similar augmentations to what the IIIs had to be applied to adult humans safely instead of just teenagers. What you said wasn't a fact, just something you made up with no evidence to support your claim.
The IIIs are even better trained than the IIs and if given Mjolnir, they could easily be on par with them. Kurt-051 even stated that the Gamma company Spartan IIIs were the "Best batch of Spartans yet" (Seriously, why is no one paying attention to this quote, it's pretty huge and confirms that the IIIs are just as good as the IIs, if not better). Read through my previous posts in this thread and you'll see that I'm right because I simply can't be bothered to repeat myself again.