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Why didn't The Arbiter assist in killing Jul?

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I always thought this was weird seeing as how the last person who screwed over Thel didn't have such a fun time. Thel chose to ally with not only humans BUT THE FLOOD to ensure Truth died and yet Jul and The Sons seem to of gotten off easy. Thel never even played a roll in Telcam's death either, almost as if saying "We cool? Yeah we cool." He never even mentions him in any piece of lore we've seen him in other side of the obvious.

Is this more of 343i not understanding characters or just them not caring? Was it just a way keep playable Sangheili out of the game because honestly it makes no sense for the Arbiter to not atleast contribute in some way to their deaths.

Looking back at Halo 3, it's crazy how he risked Guilty Spark being captured by the Flood when he made him come down from the mountains just to open a door in the aftermath of the scarab battle. Guilty Spark even says the flood is swarming and there is literally a pit full of corpses right next to them. Miranda made it clear that there we're other options so WHAT THE HELL! Why didn't he just fly a banshee up into the window, blow Truth away and call it a day? He was okay with Rtas turbo nuking him with Johnson but all of a sudden he wants to kill a prophet in his words "BY MY HANDS, NOT THEIRS!" MC even stands back and let Thel have it too. He knew not to get in the way.

It's odd that he'd risk total damnation for revenge then do nothing about the group of people who sparked civil war within his people and making his own cousin betray him.

I guess Warden Eternal and Cortana can sleep well since no matter what they do Thel and the rest of the Sangheili will just chill at Sangheilios as the galaxy is torn apart.

P.S. Anyone else find it funny that Cortana is proving the Covenant's philosophy on AI right? If I recall correctly the view Mendicant Bias' betrayal as the reason to never have advance AI and a super intelligent AI now threatens to take over the galaxy using other AI.

I don't know who made up that rule but I bet they jumped out of their grave screaming "CALLED IT!"
You know how busy the Arbiter is?
Its really stressfull to fight in a Civil war.
You know how busy the Arbiter is?
Its really stressfull to fight in a Civil war.
But Jul is fueling the Civil War. That's like saying we didn't have time to kill Hitler during WWII.
You know how busy the Arbiter is?
Its really stressfull to fight in a Civil war.
But Jul is fueling the Civil War. That's like saying we didn't have time to kill Hitler during WWII.
We didnt have time to kill Hitler?
Explain that,whos We?
Ontopic,maybe the Arbiter feared that the Assault could go wrong and he got captured or killed and then the SoS would lose the leader
You know how busy the Arbiter is?
Its really stressfull to fight in a Civil war.
But Jul is fueling the Civil War. That's like saying we didn't have time to kill Hitler during WWII.
Not really when there are other leaders to take his place. There are more factions than just the storm covenant. Thels goal was to end the war, killing one guy doesnt always carry that result and like hedge said, thel was so busy he was needed elsewhere rather than tracking down ONE person.
You know how busy the Arbiter is?
Its really stressfull to fight in a Civil war.
But Jul is fueling the Civil War. That's like saying we didn't have time to kill Hitler during WWII.
We didnt have time to kill Hitler?
Explain that,whos We?
Ontopic,maybe the Arbiter feared that the Assault could go wrong and he got captured or killed and then the SoS would lose the leader
I was saying your explanation makes no sense because you basically just said that Thel couldn't kill Jul because Jul lead the the war effort against Thel. THel's key objective is to kill Jul for the same reason you listed why it'd be a danger for Thel to attack Jul.

Also fear isn't something the Arbiter has. Did you see him at the battle of Sunion? He spearheaded the attack for his troops and when the Prometheans (an enemy he has never fought before) showed up, just kept on cutting thought them completely unaware of their power. For all he knew he just attacked A god tier enemy.
You know how busy the Arbiter is?
Its really stressfull to fight in a Civil war.
But Jul is fueling the Civil War. That's like saying we didn't have time to kill Hitler during WWII.
Not really when there are other leaders to take his place. There are more factions than just the storm covenant. Thels goal was to end the war, killing one guy doesnt always carry that result and like hedge said, thel was so busy he was needed elsewhere rather than tracking down ONE person.
You are aware that's exactly what Thel did in Halo 3 with Truth and what Jul and Telcam's objective was when they planned to kill Thel. That kind of stuff breaks a faction, as shown by history and nature. Once the top dogs dead, everyone else either land grabs or burns out.

Your logic is that Thel would never waste his time doing that but he spent two Halo titles doing that and the entire reason Halo CE started was because of the same idea. That's all Operation Red Flag was, take out the leadership or force peace.
You know how busy the Arbiter is?
Its really stressfull to fight in a Civil war.
But Jul is fueling the Civil War. That's like saying we didn't have time to kill Hitler during WWII.
We didnt have time to kill Hitler?
Explain that,whos We?
Ontopic,maybe the Arbiter feared that the Assault could go wrong and he got captured or killed and then the SoS would lose the leader
I was saying your explanation makes no sense because you basically just said that Thel couldn't kill Jul because Jul lead the the war effort against Thel. THel's key objective is to kill Jul for the same reason you listed why it'd be a danger for Thel to attack Jul.

Also fear isn't something the Arbiter has. Did you see him at the battle of Sunion? He spearheaded the attack for his troops and when the Prometheans (an enemy he has never fought before) showed up, just kept on cutting thought them completely unaware of their power. For all he knew he just attacked A god tier enemy.
Well maybe not fear to die,more the fear that when hes gone that all what he has created will get destroyed and he would have just died an useless dead.
I think for this you have to consider his forces and supply, sanghilios was pretty well split and we saw in the campaign that the arbiter and his forces weren't as prominent due to the fact that Jul had the covienent species (minus the brutes) at his disposal. When you consider that he was vastly outnumbered in theory he wouldn't have been able to leave to assist in the attack that lead to Jul's death assuming that he even knew where Jul was. because remember that the UNSC and Swords of Sanghelios are two different entities and do to galactic power the UNSC opted to have no major communication or action in the civil war. Plus the objective was never so much for Osiris to kill Jul but to capture and return Halsey, so the UNSC may have never even told the arbiter or Jul's whereabouts.
You know how busy the Arbiter is?
Its really stressfull to fight in a Civil war.
But Jul is fueling the Civil War. That's like saying we didn't have time to kill Hitler during WWII.
We didnt have time to kill Hitler?
Explain that,whos We?
Ontopic,maybe the Arbiter feared that the Assault could go wrong and he got captured or killed and then the SoS would lose the leader
I was saying your explanation makes no sense because you basically just said that Thel couldn't kill Jul because Jul lead the the war effort against Thel. THel's key objective is to kill Jul for the same reason you listed why it'd be a danger for Thel to attack Jul.

Also fear isn't something the Arbiter has. Did you see him at the battle of Sunion? He spearheaded the attack for his troops and when the Prometheans (an enemy he has never fought before) showed up, just kept on cutting thought them completely unaware of their power. For all he knew he just attacked A god tier enemy.
Well maybe not fear to die,more the fear that when hes gone that all what he has created will get destroyed and he would have just died an useless dead.
Still that point has no power since if he did fear that he wouldn't be in the battle or he'd atleast be more cousin, but we literally see him charge into the warring city, almost as if he's looking for a sweet Penta-kill.
You know how busy the Arbiter is?
Its really stressfull to fight in a Civil war.
But Jul is fueling the Civil War. That's like saying we didn't have time to kill Hitler during WWII.
We didnt have time to kill Hitler?
Explain that,whos We?
Ontopic,maybe the Arbiter feared that the Assault could go wrong and he got captured or killed and then the SoS would lose the leader
I was saying your explanation makes no sense because you basically just said that Thel couldn't kill Jul because Jul lead the the war effort against Thel. THel's key objective is to kill Jul for the same reason you listed why it'd be a danger for Thel to attack Jul.

Also fear isn't something the Arbiter has. Did you see him at the battle of Sunion? He spearheaded the attack for his troops and when the Prometheans (an enemy he has never fought before) showed up, just kept on cutting thought them completely unaware of their power. For all he knew he just attacked A god tier enemy.
Well maybe not fear to die,more the fear that when hes gone that all what he has created will get destroyed and he would have just died an useless dead.
Still that point has no power since if he did fear that he wouldn't be in the battle or he'd atleast be more cousin, but we literally see him charge into the warring city, almost as if he's looking for a sweet Penta-kill.
Well maybe Thel just wasnt invited by the UNSC to kill Jul due it was a high priority mission.
Or Thel just fought that he would be more usefuell when he cordinate his troops instead of hunting one guy.
You know how busy the Arbiter is?
Its really stressfull to fight in a Civil war.
But Jul is fueling the Civil War. That's like saying we didn't have time to kill Hitler during WWII.
We didnt have time to kill Hitler?
Explain that,whos We?
Ontopic,maybe the Arbiter feared that the Assault could go wrong and he got captured or killed and then the SoS would lose the leader
I was saying your explanation makes no sense because you basically just said that Thel couldn't kill Jul because Jul lead the the war effort against Thel. THel's key objective is to kill Jul for the same reason you listed why it'd be a danger for Thel to attack Jul.

Also fear isn't something the Arbiter has. Did you see him at the battle of Sunion? He spearheaded the attack for his troops and when the Prometheans (an enemy he has never fought before) showed up, just kept on cutting thought them completely unaware of their power. For all he knew he just attacked A god tier enemy.
Well maybe not fear to die,more the fear that when hes gone that all what he has created will get destroyed and he would have just died an useless dead.
Still that point has no power since if he did fear that he wouldn't be in the battle or he'd atleast be more cousin, but we literally see him charge into the warring city, almost as if he's looking for a sweet Penta-kill.
You mean Killtacular?
You know how busy the Arbiter is?
Its really stressfull to fight in a Civil war.
But Jul is fueling the Civil War. That's like saying we didn't have time to kill Hitler during WWII.
Not really when there are other leaders to take his place. There are more factions than just the storm covenant. Thels goal was to end the war, killing one guy doesnt always carry that result and like hedge said, thel was so busy he was needed elsewhere rather than tracking down ONE person.
You are aware that's exactly what Thel did in Halo 3 with Truth and what Jul and Telcam's objective was when they planned to kill Thel. That kind of stuff breaks a faction, as shown by history and nature. Once the top dogs dead, everyone else either land grabs of burns out.
But again, jul isn't the key to ending said war as there are other factions and leaders to take his place. They also said killing the prophets would end the war with the covenant yes? Now look where they are, still at war but on a much smaller scale. Eliminating jul just lets another faction take the storm elites place.

heres why I think this. You ever seen or heard about mass effect? Space sci-fi game involving aliens, human exploration and resistance vs the human race as they're seen as the inferior species. Well throughout the trilogy you always get resistance if some sort by the aliens, know why? Cause in the end there will always be that one guy who will take the spot to attack them. Same applies to this scenario but not due to race, but their beliefs and if you know history about religious warfare, it's that it never ends. Jul himself isn't fighting due to beliefs however but his distrust for humans is what fuels his fight and cuz thel opposes that, that's why there's the civil war. I'm sure you already know this as well but that motive won't influence his group, he appears as a religious leader instead to do so as that's what covenant was originally built upon. That's why eliminating him wouldn't matter as another takes his place due to the strong belief of the great journey. Jul uses that to his advantage when it comes to gathering his forces and it's reasonable to see a different leader doing the same.
I think for this you have to consider his forces and supply, sanghilios was pretty well split and we saw in the campaign that the arbiter and his forces weren't as prominent due to the fact that Jul had the covienent species (minus the brutes) at his disposal. When you consider that he was vastly outnumbered in theory he wouldn't have been able to leave to assist in the attack that lead to Jul's death assuming that he even knew where Jul was. because remember that the UNSC and Swords of Sanghelios are two different entities and do to galactic power the UNSC opted to have no major communication or action in the civil war. Plus the objective was never so much for Osiris to kill Jul but to capture and return Halsey, so the UNSC may have never even told the arbiter or Jul's whereabouts.
The species point is kind of moot since half the point of Halo is that skill beats numbers and technology. Also we're lead to believe that both Jul and Thel have many species on their side even those we've never seen in game like the Shaqio or even in any context. Hunters have a great sense of honor lad likely would support Thel much more the Jul. Grunts mostly wouldn't have a say in the matter for Jul but Thel has made it clear that they will be free people under his command not slaves so like with Cortana huge amounts of them would flock to the Swords. Kig-Yar only look for money and we know Jul only has them on his side via a contract that's about to run out.

So, the only people who willingly fight for Jul's ideals are other Elites and likely the Hunters but as I said above, they greatly adhere to honor. The sheer idea that Jul's troops openly use weapons to wound and not kill easily show that very few would side with him compared to the whole species.

While i understand they are two different faction with different goals, it doesn't stop them from being allies. Britain would certainly let America fight it's own wars and vise versa but if one discovered critical information about the other, you could bet each would be pissed if one was holding out on them. The UNSC did this with with Jul and Telcam, if I was Thel I'd be pretty upset about not being informed about these two being killed by my allies but form my enemy screaming about how my allies did kill them.
Arbiter was busy defending his home world from Covenant remnant forces still lurking there.
You know how busy the Arbiter is?
Its really stressfull to fight in a Civil war.
But Jul is fueling the Civil War. That's like saying we didn't have time to kill Hitler during WWII.
Not really when there are other leaders to take his place. There are more factions than just the storm covenant. Thels goal was to end the war, killing one guy doesnt always carry that result and like hedge said, thel was so busy he was needed elsewhere rather than tracking down ONE person.
You are aware that's exactly what Thel did in Halo 3 with Truth and what Jul and Telcam's objective was when they planned to kill Thel. That kind of stuff breaks a faction, as shown by history and nature. Once the top dogs dead, everyone else either land grabs of burns out.

Your logic is that Thel would never waste his time doing that but he spent two Halo titles doing that and the entire reason Halo CE stared was because of the same idea. That's all Operation Red Flag was, take out the leadership or force peace.
As much as that is true, Jul dies in the very first mission, and you fight the Storm faction up to the Battle of Sunaion. Possibly someone else took his throne right away, who knows. We'll probably fight a new faction in Halo 6. Maybe the Banished or maybe another brand-spankin' new faction. And plus, "we" didn't kill Hitler, he committed suicide in his bunker.

EDIT: What are they even fighting for in the Sangheili Civil War?
You know how busy the Arbiter is?
Its really stressfull to fight in a Civil war.
But Jul is fueling the Civil War. That's like saying we didn't have time to kill Hitler during WWII.
Not really when there are other leaders to take his place. There are more factions than just the storm covenant. Thels goal was to end the war, killing one guy doesnt always carry that result and like hedge said, thel was so busy he was needed elsewhere rather than tracking down ONE person.
You are aware that's exactly what Thel did in Halo 3 with Truth and what Jul and Telcam's objective was when they planned to kill Thel. That kind of stuff breaks a faction, as shown by history and nature. Once the top dogs dead, everyone else either land grabs of burns out.

Your logic is that Thel would never waste his time doing that but he spent two Halo titles doing that and the entire reason Halo CE stared was because of the same idea. That's all Operation Red Flag was, take out the leadership or force peace.
As much as that is true, Jul dies in the very first mission, and you fight the Storm faction up to the Battle of Sunaion. Possibly someone else took his throne right away, who knows. We'll probably fight a new faction in Halo 6. Maybe the Banished or maybe another brand-spankin' new faction. And plus, "we" didn't kill Hitler, he committed suicide in his bunker.

EDIT: What are they even fighting for in the Sangheili Civil War?
Arbiter wanted to rebuild/unite sangheli and others wanted to continue the fight pretty much so they opposed the arbiter and boom, civil war.
You know how busy the Arbiter is?
Its really stressfull to fight in a Civil war.
But Jul is fueling the Civil War. That's like saying we didn't have time to kill Hitler during WWII.
Not really when there are other leaders to take his place. There are more factions than just the storm covenant. Thels goal was to end the war, killing one guy doesnt always carry that result and like hedge said, thel was so busy he was needed elsewhere rather than tracking down ONE person.
You are aware that's exactly what Thel did in Halo 3 with Truth and what Jul and Telcam's objective was when they planned to kill Thel. That kind of stuff breaks a faction, as shown by history and nature. Once the top dogs dead, everyone else either land grabs of burns out.
But again, jul isn't the key to ending said war as there are other factions and leaders to take his place. They also said killing the prophets would end the war with the covenant yes? Now look where they are, still at war but on a much smaller scale. Eliminating jul just lets another faction take the storm elites place.

heres why I think this. You ever seen or heard about mass effect? Space sci-fi game involving aliens, human exploration and resistance vs the human race as they're seen as the inferior species. Well throughout the trilogy you always get resistance if some sort by the aliens, know why? Cause in the end there will always be that one guy who will take the spot to attack them. Same applies to this scenario but not due to race, but their beliefs and if you know history about religious warfare, it's that it never ends. Jul himself isn't fighting due to beliefs however but his distrust for humans is what fuels his fight and cuz thel opposes that, that's why there's the civil war. I'm sure you already know this as well but that motive won't influence his group, he appears as a religious leader instead to do so as that's what covenant was originally built upon. That's why eliminating him wouldn't matter as another takes his place due to the strong belief of the great journey. Jul uses that to his advantage when it comes to gathering his forces and it's reasonable to see a different leader doing the same.
Jul is extremely key to ending the war as shown by Halo 5. The moment he died the Covenant feel apart within the week.

Also killing Truth did end the Great Schism and the Human-Covenant war with a truce but Thel's war with Jul is apart of the Sangheili Civil war which is a totally different conflict. Your point doesn't make sense, since we already know the outcome. Jul's death was a critical blow, regardless of what you think it's what is true.

What you're doing is intentionally misunderstanding my post. Jul was the biggest fish to be fried. His life meant everything to the Covenant at the time similar to Truth and any Leader, faith had nothing to do with it clearly shown by Halo 5. We know that Jul was such a power player that even Blue team understood the weight of his death and Thel just went with it. He and Osiris consonantly spoke about how important he was to the stability of the Covenant and as shown we know that without him they we're doomed.

Whatever warlords show up later don't matter when you comparing the situation directly to Mdama. ON the topic of Jul without his guidance the Covenant would of and did fall.

I'll even disprove your thoughts on your level. Who was the person who rose to power after Saren's death? Don't say the Collectors/Harbinger or the Illusive Man because they we're always in a position of power. Saren was just no longer in your face so you could now meet the other people. When Saren died just shy of all of his work went with him. The Krogans went back home or to their gangs and the Geth headed back to the Traverse. No one attempted to gather them back up because Saran was their union just like with Jul. There would be resistance from the people who don't know when the fights over as shown by how there we're still pockets of resistance on the Citadel after Sovereign and Saren had died but no one brought the faction from the grave because they couldn't. Saren and Jul built their respective organizations and without them they died out. Some share their perspectives but no one could muster the power to challenge anything afterwards.
Arbiter was busy defending his home world from Covenant remnant forces still lurking there.
Jul Lead the Covenant Remnant. Killing him is just cutting the head off the snake. Just as Jul's forces sought to take out The Arbiter he should have the same drive to take out Jul.
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You know how busy the Arbiter is?
Its really stressfull to fight in a Civil war.
But Jul is fueling the Civil War. That's like saying we didn't have time to kill Hitler during WWII.
Not really when there are other leaders to take his place. There are more factions than just the storm covenant. Thels goal was to end the war, killing one guy doesnt always carry that result and like hedge said, thel was so busy he was needed elsewhere rather than tracking down ONE person.
You are aware that's exactly what Thel did in Halo 3 with Truth and what Jul and Telcam's objective was when they planned to kill Thel. That kind of stuff breaks a faction, as shown by history and nature. Once the top dogs dead, everyone else either land grabs of burns out.

Your logic is that Thel would never waste his time doing that but he spent two Halo titles doing that and the entire reason Halo CE stared was because of the same idea. That's all Operation Red Flag was, take out the leadership or force peace.
As much as that is true, Jul dies in the very first mission, and you fight the Storm faction up to the Battle of Sunaion. Possibly someone else took his throne right away, who knows. We'll probably fight a new faction in Halo 6. Maybe the Banished or maybe another brand-spankin' new faction. And plus, "we" didn't kill Hitler, he committed suicide in his bunker.

EDIT: What are they even fighting for in the Sangheili Civil War?
Without the head, the rest of the body soon dies. Those members of Jul's faction we're the people who we're just trying to make a finale desperate strike because they knew everything was coming to an end. I'm unsure on who directly had full control but their plan was to gather all their remaining forces in a finale assault to kill The Arbiter, to sort of force the Swords in the same position they we're in but it failed leading to their total destruction.

The Sangheili Civil war was fought like any war. The battle was of perspective for the future. X wanted this, Y wanted that and they both had armies so they fought.
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