Please show me where Catalog somehow de-canonized the Didact's epilogue speech in Halo 4, which frankly was one of my favorite parts of the whole game because of the promise it showed. I'm not ready to buy that Catalog can simply dismiss what happened in a released game. The past is written; the metaphorical ink is dry.Rookie Prime wrote:I don't think it is lazy at all. It's just another way to deal with the mistakes that you made, except that it's a harder one, convincing everyone to go along with the change in the story. I'll agree with just about everything else you said, though. Just not that it's an insult to the writers. Sure, some writers will take it that way, but it's just what it is: 343 Industries looking at what they made, looking at fan reaction, and adjusting their trajectory accordingly.Noah B225 wrote:It's the lazy way out; instead of dealing with the mistakes you made, you get away with them by pretending you never made them. It's revisionism (not in the good, critical sense of the word). It's also not a compliment to the writers; it's basically saying, 'yeah, our writers are terrible, and they're way too lazy to fix their own mistakes by writing new canon to correct inconsistencies'.As the third column of people I mention in my third paragraph, I can tell you that it fits only in that it technically doesn't violate what was previously stated, but absolutely violates the spirit of the prior canon in more than a few ways. In my experience, the people who read the books (such as myself) are the ones most affronted by the events of Halo 5, because we expected so much more out of the story than a narrative black hole.JNDreher wrote:Like it or not, Halo 5 fits with the established lore, and the people most opposed to it are mostly the ones who don't bother to read the books, so I really don't think their opinions hold as much weight on the topic of Halo's canon as those who do.I suppose my thinking partly involves what is that decanonization would be a choice of great import, and one that isn't done idly. If it helps, strictly speaking 343 has, in a soft way, decanonized material at least once -- the final cinematic of Halo 4. The Didact's narration was deemed non-canon by Catalog, in that roundabout terminology way he has of saying such things. It no longer fit with what Halo 5 was gonna be, so it no longer makes sense to have been said at any point in the timeline.AllegiantBrand wrote:That's not the kind of storytelling which Halo has ever followed, though. Halo has been about discovering and learning more about the truth of a single universe. Things are kept canon so that the consistency allows everything to "matter". Nothing has any weight or meaning when it has no effect on the rest of the story or can be blinked out of existence from the story, not when it's trying to maintain a canon to build upon. It's that weight and meaning, that sense of events truly having an impact because they are permanent and can never be undone, which makes the notion of a fictional story having a canon interesting and engaging. It more closely mirrors real life, it makes us care what happens.
If Halo 5 was declared non-canon, that makes every piece of Halo fiction subject to the same treatment. Does the outcry against Reach's retcons warrant Reach from becoming non-canon? Is Halo: Escalation, nearly as universally hated as Halo 5, going to be non-canon? Is the canon of a story going to depend wholly on audience reaction? Are we going to get polls after every Halo story asking the community whether it was good enough to be a Halo story, before it's allowed to be stamped canon?
I hate Halo 5's story. I despise what it's done to the Halo universe. But the absolute worst thing 343i could possibly do is start calling things non-canon. People wanted the same thing from Halo 4, to strike it from the record and start over. 343i took all that hate for Halo 4's story and gave us Halo 5, for all appearances trying as hard as possible to make H5 as far removed from H4 as possible. Don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can.
Halo 6 can be better than Halo 5. It can get us back on the road Halo 4 began without pretending Halo 5 never happened.
Would you accept decanonization of materials?
OP Rookie Prime