Aim Assist - Will it Carry Over on PC? ETC.

h4mster369 wrote:

I don't know the exact answer, but I'd highly doubt that they will use aim assist for controller users as its an unfair advantage, if you want to use a controller for halo mcc, the best place to do it would be console, they might put it in campaign, but if you look at other console to pc ports, for instance, cod black ops, world at war etc, they dont carry aim assist over to pc, even with a controller, ive never played a pc game with aim assist specifically for controllers or at all. I wouldn't count on it

osbriver97 wrote:

I hope not it would be real easy for people to spoof using a controller, when in actuality they're using a mouse. Then they'd get the god tier precision of the mouse and keyboard with the aim assist and bullet magnetism of the controller *shudders*. If they do add aim assist for controller it would be wise to separate mouse and controller in the matchmaking to make sure people play with other using same peripherals.

tsassi wrote:

Here's a relevant quote from one of the development updates:

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We also need to be mindful of the fact that we will have players who prefer a mouse and keyboard for Halo and other players who will prefer controllers. We want both of these player types to be able to play together in the same match and for them to feel as if they are on relatively equal footing. There will naturally be some differences in feel and expectations for different input methods, such as the strength of aim magnetism. Whenever we have tested a Halo PC title with any audience using a mouse and keyboard, the expectation is that aim magnetism is disabled. On controller, the opposite is true, and some degree of aim magnetism is needed for controller players to compete effectively and for Halo to play the way it does on console. We want to minimize differences in gameplay between input methods, which supports our engagement pillar.

For standard gameplay, it really doesn't matter. People will choose the input method they are the most comfortable with, and the reality is that since the two aiming methods are so different, they're such orthogonal skills that it's difficult to make any reasonable arguments of "inherent advantage" one way or the other. They're just different, which might be an issue by itself for some, but not the one most people are afraid of.

I suspect that despite concerns from both sides, most players will quickly forget that they are playing against people who might be playing with a different input. Because the truth is, in most situations, there's just no way to tell from the other side of the screen. A small section of the community will have fierce debates over which input methods has the advantage, but no conclusion will be reached because they areall looking at it the wrong way.

For tournament play, it really depends on the tournament organizers and their target audience. Frankly, I can see it going any way: both input methods mixed, favoring the more popular input method over the other, or having split leagues for different input methods (though this last option is only if neither input method turns out to be vastly more popular).

Leocadius wrote:

tsassi wrote:

Leocadius wrote:

Considering Aim Assist and Bullet Magnetism, some controller players may hit shots that otherwise would not be hit on M&KB. If this happens in tournament play, this will cause a ruckus. People will be downplaying the skills of players/teams who use controllers if there is mixed play in tournaments.

"He would not have hit it if he had used another input method" is a very absurd denial of someone's skill. It's just a meaningless hypothetical "what if", because there's obviously no way to verify its truth. Equally meaningless denials could be made by jealous controller users.

Jealousy is a problem of the jealous. As I said, tournament organizers will decide for themselves what they want to do with input methods. Beyond that, if someone feels insecure about their own choice of input methods, they might want to consider switching (or if they deem that a too arduous task, they might want to reconsider their opinion).

There are clips from tournaments where people have got sniper headshots through the sides of walls because bullet magnetism and the boradcasters even called it out. All it takes is one time of that happening for people to go nuts.

Leocadius wrote:

I get what you are saying for sure. Only thing is that these games are on LAN. Either way, I digress.

Slickini wrote:

It doesn't matter really. Controller users will eventually get to the point they can't get improve anymore and face the fact they are limiting themselves. They'll be persuaded to use the mouse for competitive play

Slickini wrote:

Leocadius wrote:

Slickini wrote:

It doesn't matter really. Controller users will eventually get to the point they can't get improve anymore and face the fact they are limiting themselves. They'll be persuaded to use the mouse for competitive play

Tell that to TSquared and Snipedown. They are planning to keep using controller, but like $150 controllers.

I used to play FPS games with my elite controller. Sure I had an edge on my enemies on consoles, but that edge didn't carry over to PC. My friend told me to get a g502 and... Oh boy oh boy... my entire gaming career revolutionized. I started to hit insane shots, shots that my brain cannot even compute. You should watch Relaaa on Youtube. Watch some of his videos, especially the Battlefield videos. This player is the ominous epitome of what controller users will face, because truth be told you won't be able to play like him with a controller. That's for sure.

Slickini wrote:

Leocadius wrote:

Slickini wrote:

Leocadius wrote:

Slickini wrote:

It doesn't matter really. Controller users will eventually get to the point they can't get improve anymore and face the fact they are limiting themselves. They'll be persuaded to use the mouse for competitive play

Tell that to TSquared and Snipedown. They are planning to keep using controller, but like $150 controllers.

I used to play FPS games with my elite controller. Sure I had an edge on my enemies on consoles, but that edge didn't carry over to PC. My friend told me to get a g502 and... Oh boy oh boy... my entire gaming career revolutionized. I started to hit insane shots, shots that my brain cannot even compute. You should watch Relaaa on Youtube. Watch some of his videos, especially the Battlefield videos. This player is the ominous epitome of what controller users will face, because truth be told you won't be able to play like him with a controller. That's for sure.

I don't disagree that M&KB have an advantage. You just would be surprised by pro's who are planning to use controllers. After all, pro play is more than just accuracy.

Yes of course I cannot disagree with this, but the extra accuracy from mouse and keyboard could potentially unlock more Pro plays because for instance you can be much faster to react, thanks to the precision the of the mouse and keyboard. I even think pros will be like "Ok that's enough, time to upgrade"